Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[freeagent]

I don’t have any pcie4 devices, so maybe that helped? I have had none of those issues at all. Pretty much smooth sailing..

 

[HD64G]

@tabascosauz : Latest Intel's platform quirks are mentioned in every review on the 11XX0 CPUs from the famous tubers. Search and watch yourself.​

 

[MxPhenom 216]

tbf boards are all different as to what ports they hook up to PCH and which ones to CPU, but I've never had problems with the APUs, feels like it's an I/O die problem that they just don't wanna admit so they keep on claiming it can be fixed through firmware.

Yea 3600CL14 1.45V XMP is pretty good. I really can't notice any daily difference to 3800CL14. If you don't wanna get into all the subtimings then I'd just leave it on XMP.

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it's not remotely a secret, USB dropouts, USB disconnecting sound without actually disconnecting, USB audio noise/popping, etc. They've been actively trying to fix it for half a year now

Mines 14-15-15-35. If i want 14-14-14-34 should i still run with xmp? Id obviously manually change the last 3.

...and forgot gigabyte got hacked and cant download anything from their site right now

Okay, got the F2 bios downloaded finally. Going to update then dial in the ram at 3600 14-14-14-34.

Okay. Running XMP then i manually went in to dial down the main timings to 14-14-14-34

8700k and 3080ti

5900x and 3080ti

Also with an 8700k and totally out of the box stock 3080ti in AC Valhalla bench:
79FPS

Now with 5900x, RAM not dialed in with same stock 3080ti:
83FPS

5900x, RAM dialed in at 3600 14-14-14-34, same stock 3080ti:
86FPS

Shouldnt the memory latency be more in the 50s?

 

[Taraquin]

Mines 14-15-15-35. If i want 14-14-14-34 should i still run with xmp? Id obviously manually change the last 3.

...and forgot gigabyte got hacked and cant download anything from their site right now

Okay, got the F2 bios downloaded finally. Going to update then dial in the ram at 3600 14-14-14-34.

Okay. Running XMP then i manually went in to dial down the main timings to 14-14-14-34

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8700k and 3080ti
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5900x and 3080ti
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Also with an 8700k and totally out of the box stock 3080ti in AC Valhalla bench:
79FPS

Now with 5900x, RAM not dialed in with same stock 3080ti:
83FPS

5900x, RAM dialed in at 3600 14-14-14-34, same stock 3080ti:
86FPS

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Shouldnt the memory latency be more in the 50s?

Yes, but your subtimings are terrible. Try tras 28, trc 42, trfc 252, trrds 4, trrdl 6, tfaw 16, trtp 6, twr 12, twtrs 4, twtrl 12, scls at 4.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Whats considered a decent temperature for a 5900x? Mine bounced around 65-70. hottest core hitting 73-74 in BFv

SoC voltage seems kind of high at 1.175 right?

 

[Taraquin]

Whats considered a decent temperature for a 5900x? Mine bounced around 65-70. hottest core hitting 73-74 in BFv

SoC voltage seems kind of high at 1.175 right?

What cooler do you have? Try undervolt with curve optimizer, that will drop voltage and hence temps some.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

What cooler do you have? Try undervolt with curve optimizer, that will drop voltage and hence temps some.

Im on custom water loop. Seem to fall inline with other peoples custom water loops. Prob neeed to crank my fan speeds a little bit on the rads. I think I have the curve for those fairly conservative currently.

 

[tabascosauz]

Whats considered a decent temperature for a 5900x? Mine bounced around 65-70. hottest core hitting 73-74 in BFv

SoC voltage seems kind of high at 1.175 right?

5900X/5950X run hot under 1- and 2- and 3-core load, the PB2 algorithm doesn't seem to reduce clocks much at all until load hits ~4 cores. In particular, BFV and MW19 are the worst bc they also throw AVX into the mix too. Under a NH-D15, the chips will hit 80C or higher, and it doesn't even matter if actually CPU bound, just how the games are.

Still seems kinda warm for custom water, but not sure. The block you have (some new blocks out there "optimized" for AMD) and paste you use probably can have an impact, since for those loads it's about getting the heat out out of the chip asap and not about overall wattage.

For 3600 you shouldn't need that much VSOC. You can just directly set what you need. I run 1.05V (drooping down to 1.03V get or so) at 3600. With mine, using it for a few hours will expose VSOC that's too low, so it's easy to tell when I've gone too far

@tabascosauz : Latest Intel's platform quirks are mentioned in every review on the 11XX0 CPUs from the famous tubers. Search and watch yourself.​

Why get so defensive like AMD can do no wrong? That was an actual question, you don't need to give me the standard pointless r/AMD answer.

I've watched a crap ton of 11th gen content, but mostly had it playing in the background so while I can vaguely recall Roman talking a bit about a buggy BIOS on one of his boards, I can't recall any platform-wide bugs. Think maybe it was some issues with either command rate or Gear 2 early on

 

[MxPhenom 216]

5900X/5950X run hot under 1- and 2- and 3-core load, the PB2 algorithm doesn't seem to reduce clocks much at all until load hits ~4 cores. In particular, BFV and MW19 are the worst bc they also throw AVX into the mix too. Under a NH-D15, the chips will hit 80C or higher, and it doesn't even matter if actually CPU bound, just how the games are.

Still seems kinda warm for custom water, but not sure. The block you have (some new blocks out there "optimized" for AMD) and paste you use probably can have an impact, since for those loads it's about getting the heat out out of the chip asap and not about overall wattage.

For 3600 you shouldn't need that much VSOC. You can just directly set what you need. I run 1.05V (drooping down to 1.03V get or so) at 3600. With mine, using it for a few hours will expose VSOC that's too low, so it's easy to tell when I've gone too far



Why get so defensive like AMD can do no wrong? That was an actual question, you don't need to give me the standard pointless r/AMD answer.

I've watched a crap ton of 11th gen content, but mostly had it playing in the background so while I can vaguely recall Roman talking a bit about a buggy BIOS on one of his boards, I can't recall any platform-wide bugs. Think maybe it was some issues with either command rate or Gear 2 early on

yeah. I might dial it back to about 1.1v for vSOC and go from there. Vcore averages about 1.41 it seems under load.

Regarding the block and paste. There is a chance i may not have put enough paste, or didnt tighten down the block totally which would be an easy tweak to make. Im not going to repaste it though so ill live with whatever it ends up being. My ambients are pretty hot right now though too, and i forget water cooling is sooo ambient temp sensitive.

Ever since updating BIOS, i havent had the USB sounds. It also seemed to only happen if i had the Lian Li L-connect software running.

Can SoC voltage effect chip heat or not much?

I will say, this is the first CPU upgrade I have ever done where I have been like "What the f**** is this CPU, and how is it so fast"

 

[tabascosauz]

yeah. I might dial it back to about 1.1v for vSOC and go from there. Vcore averages about 1.41 it seems under load.

Regarding the block and paste. There is a chance i may not have put enough paste, or didnt tighten down the block totally which would be an easy tweak to make. Im not going to repaste it though so ill live with whatever it ends up being. My ambients are pretty hot right now though too, and i forget water cooling is sooo ambient temp sensitive.

Ever since updating BIOS, i havent had the USB sounds. It also seemed to only happen if i had the Lian Li L-connect software running.

Can SoC voltage effect chip heat or not much?

I will say, this is the first CPU upgrade I have ever done where I have been like "What the f**** is this CPU, and how is it so fast"

SOC power draw scales pretty linearly with VSOC, but it shouldn't affect your temps at all at reasonable volts. Since you're using HWInfo you'll be looking at the per-core temps anyways, I/O die is way over there on the other side of the substrate

As for Vcore, it isn't accurate at idle. It should be accurate during those gaming loads, but it is allowed to pull 1.4-1.5V to sustain lightly threaded loads. You will never see 1.4V all-core unless you manually overclock (or maybe some wonky PBO), all-core will usually be in the 1.2V range.

Post up another zentimings screenshot of your new profile?

I dropped about 0.5-1.0C during those inferno MW19 2-core AVX loads, switching from NT-H1 to NT-H2. Anything you can do to improve heat transfer can help those 1/2/3-core loads. If I had water I'd probably use KPX/NT-H2/Kryonaut

 

[MxPhenom 216]

SOC power draw scales pretty linearly with VSOC, but it shouldn't affect your temps at all at reasonable volts. Since you're using HWInfo you'll be looking at the per-core temps anyways, I/O die is way over there on the other side of the substrate

As for Vcore, it isn't accurate at idle. It should be accurate during those gaming loads, but it is allowed to pull 1.4-1.5V to sustain lightly threaded loads. You will never see 1.4V all-core unless you manually overclock, all-core will usually be in the 1.2V range.

Post up another zentimings screenshot of your new profile?

I dropped about 0.5-1.0C during those inferno MW19 2-core AVX loads, switching from NT-H1 to NT-H2. Anything you can do to improve heat transfer can help those 1/2/3-core loads.

I havent changed it since I posted it a bit earlier yet.

Need to tweak timings a bit to get under 60ns latency on RAM thats for sure.

 

[tabascosauz]

I havent changed it since I posted it a bit earlier yet.

Need to tweak timings a bit to get under 60ns latency on RAM thats for sure.

You can reduce lightly threaded load temps somewhat if you have Curve Optimizer headroom on those cores. CO can reduce ST temps drastically, but only if you are lucky and have the ability to go down to -15 to -30 on those cores. If you can only do -7 like me after stability testing, then you won't see much difference. And Curve Optimizer will not reduce MT temps at all. I have a feeling AVX reduces the gain as well

On the reasonably tight 3600CL14 profile from earlier I was at about 56.5ns. 106 seconds in membench.

More interested to see what you achieve in membench though, it's much more consistent than AIDA. You may have noticed that during your AIDA run you were down to 4.6GHz when it polled CPU speed

 

[MxPhenom 216]

You can reduce lightly threaded load temps somewhat if you have Curve Optimizer headroom on those cores. CO can reduce ST temps drastically, but only if you are lucky and have the ability to go down to -15 to -30 on those cores. If you can only do -7 like me after stability testing, then you won't see much difference. And Curve Optimizer will not reduce MT temps at all. I have a feeling AVX reduces the gain as well

On the reasonably tight 3600CL14 profile from earlier I was at about 56.5ns. 106 seconds in membench.

More interested to see what you achieve in membench though, it's much more consistent than AIDA. You may have noticed that during your AIDA run you were down to 4.6GHz when it polled CPU speed

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Currently trying to figure out if i should be concerned with the d3 code I see. I think ive gotten it ever since Windows Update installed this AMD - System 20.50.0.0 bull shit last night. I dont think its really a cause for concern at all considering it will go to AA after post. itll switch to d3 once im logged into windows.

Its gone now after I uninstalled the System 20.50.0.0 driver which was PCI related.

Had to roll it back to the Microsoft driver rather than the one that seems to only get pushed through windows update for Gigabyte, and no more d3 code.

 

[HD64G]

Why get so defensive like AMD can do no wrong? That was an actual question, you don't need to give me the standard pointless r/AMD answer.

I've watched a crap ton of 11th gen content, but mostly had it playing in the background so while I can vaguely recall Roman talking a bit about a buggy BIOS on one of his boards, I can't recall any platform-wide bugs. Think maybe it was some issues with either command rate or Gear 2 early on

Your stance seems to be defensive for Intel's platform bugs though as I knew what has happened with AM4 and is fixed for months now but you pretend that Intel is perfect and asked about what is wrong with that.

 

[R-T-B]

and is fixed for months now

Obviously not for him.

 

[tabascosauz]

Your stance seems to be defensive for Intel's platform bugs though as I knew what has happened with AM4 and is fixed for months now but you pretend that Intel is perfect and asked about what is wrong with that.

Why are you taking it so personally? I asked you a simple question, instead for no reason you've gone round and round in nonsensical circles about Intel bad AMD good. You mentioned Z590 platform bugs, I asked you for specifics as I legitimately am not familiar, so "go search it up anywhere and everywhere" is anything but helpful

As for "fixed for months" I've got my DT770s on my head right now hooked up to a Scarlett Solo that pops all day long and has never stopped popping on two CPUs (3700X and 5900X) and two boards (B550M TUF and B550 Unify-X), but doesn't pop on my Intel laptop or AMD HTPC. From a quick look at the web I'm not the only one continuing to have problems

I don't know what more you want - I literally said that I expect Intel to go through similar teething pains when Alder Lake drops. Is it my half-serious comment about giving AMD a second chance that got you all offended? But hey, if you took that seriously for whatever reason, I'll apologize - if you had my former 3700X I'm sure your outlook would be less rosy too.

 

[freeagent]

Your 3700x was interesting.. I wonder what is up with the popping? Is it your 5900? Talk to AMD and maybe use that 3 year warranty?

 

[Calmmo]

As for "fixed for months" I've got my DT770s on my head right now hooked up to a Scarlett Solo that pops all day long and has never stopped popping on two CPUs (3700X and 5900X) and two boards (B550M TUF and B550 Unify-X), but doesn't pop on my Intel laptop or AMD HTPC. From a quick look at the web I'm not the only one continuing to have problems

I had that same issue on my scarlett too (on the 5900x, never had issues on the same x570master+3900x) but it's been fixed since.. whatever the first usb fix agesa was (the beta fix one before the "official" fix).
It gets derpy once per month but switching the bitrate from the scarlett driver app fixes it (pretty sure that's just an issue with the interface and not usb/amd specific

 

[tabascosauz]

I had that same issue on my scarlett too (on the 5900x, never had issues on the same x570master+3900x) but it's been fixed since.. whatever the first usb fix agesa was (the beta fix one before the "official" fix).
It gets derpy once per month but switching the bitrate from the scarlett driver app fixes it (pretty sure that's just an issue with the interface and not usb/amd specific

In a sense, it was somewhat "fixed" because after 1201A I never had the USB disconnecting sound after. But the popping never went away, it's especially obvious if there's technically an audio track playing but no sound (eg. song with minimal audio at the beginning, or one of those "your PC is infected" popups). I can't use the Focusrite drivers because they're even worse, and also introduce popping to the audio input side for some reason.

I wanted to believe that it was the Scarlett, but seeing as my XPS 13 and 5700G both work just fine with Windows drivers with no popping, I'm not so sure. For the time being I've gone back to Scarlett for input only and E10K for output.

Your 3700x was interesting.. I wonder what is up with the popping? Is it your 5900? Talk to AMD and maybe use that 3 year warranty?

I dunno, seems like a really small thing to RMA for. And the 3700X pretty much had cancer but AMD still wanted me to jump through a laundry list of diagnostic hoops for them so I'm not enthusiastic about what happens for a way more niche issue. I have a really bad habit of returning/RMAing/selling things that I thought were bad (truly it can't get any worse, right?") only to end up saddled with something truly worse.

 

[INSTG8R]

Why are you taking it so personally? I asked you a simple question, instead for no reason you've gone round and round in nonsensical circles about Intel bad AMD good. You mentioned Z590 platform bugs, I asked you for specifics as I legitimately am not familiar, so "go search it up anywhere and everywhere" is anything but helpful

As for "fixed for months" I've got my DT770s on my head right now hooked up to a Scarlett Solo that pops all day long and has never stopped popping on two CPUs (3700X and 5900X) and two boards (B550M TUF and B550 Unify-X), but doesn't pop on my Intel laptop or AMD HTPC. From a quick look at the web I'm not the only one continuing to have problems

I don't know what more you want - I literally said that I expect Intel to go through similar teething pains when Alder Lake drops. Is it my half-serious comment about giving AMD a second chance that got you all offended? But hey, if you took that seriously for whatever reason, I'll apologize - if you had my former 3700X I'm sure your outlook would be less rosy too.

Spread Spectrum/ thread…
I’ve fought with AMD staff being a beta tester for them to try to justify why this is still a setting and why it’s actually on by default. I was literally ready to smash my sound card when I switched from Intel to AMD until it just clicked. Spread Spectrum let’s the clocks “float” to avoid interference, but literally only applies to to multiple PCs in a close environment you’d literally have to dig through an Intel BIOS to find that setting im this day and age if you could even find it at all. Regardless it’s a relic that has no business being on modern MoBos and certainly should NOT be on by default…
I mean when you actually search the web you find articles like this from a decade ago…

ASUS Striker II Extreme: Mucho Bang, Mucho Bucks

www.anandtech.com

 

[tabascosauz]

Spread Spectrum/ thread…
I’ve fought with AMD staff being a beta tester for them to try to justify why this is still a setting and why it’s actually on by default. I was literally ready to smash my sound card when I switched from Intel to AMD until it just clicked. Spread Spectrum let’s the clocks “float” to avoid interference, but literally only applies to to multiple PCs in a close environment you’d literally have to dig through an Intel BIOS to find that setting im this day and age if you could even find it at all. Regardless it’s a relic that has no business being on modern MoBos and certainly should NOT be on by default…
I mean when you actually search the web you find articles like this from a decade ago…

ASUS Striker II Extreme: Mucho Bang, Mucho Bucks

www.anandtech.com

Is it the Soundblaster? I usually run with Spread Spectrum off on everything so clocks are easier to recognize. I had the same thought as you did, it was my go-to attempt at a solution but it doesn't make a difference. Feel like maybe it works for PCIe sound cards but not USB DACs/interfaces. The Unify-X has a pretty balanced mix of CPU/chipset USB ports, no difference switching between them.

 

[INSTG8R]

Is it the Soundblaster? I usually run with Spread Spectrum off on everything so clocks are easier to recognize. I had the same thought as you did, it was my go-to attempt at a solution but it doesn't make a difference. Feel like maybe it works for PCIe sound cards but not USB DACs/interfaces. The Unify-X has a pretty balanced mix of CPU/chipset USB ports, no difference switching between them.

Yeah technically it shouldn’t effect a USB DAC but…we know X570 has had it’s share of USB issues anyway…

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Should I change the Load Line Calibration setting? Its current set to auto, and I just set Vsoc to 1.1v and its sitting at 1.075v in Windows via HWinfo.

 

[tabascosauz]

Yeah technically it shouldn’t effect a USB DAC but…we know X570 has had it’s share of USB issues anyway…

The real tragedy there is that I have never had a single X570 board......missing out on the features while sharing all the problems so if anything, probably absolves the X570 PCH of blame for this particular issue

 

[MxPhenom 216]

So, whatever LLC setting my board is doing on auto, sets my Vsoc to 1.075v when i set to 1.1v in BIOS, but doing so seems to have murdered my systems performance. Thoughts?