Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

Ruru · Nov 25, 2022

AusWolf said:
Apparently, Zen 4 isn't too sensitive, either:

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This calls for my own testing, I guess.

I guess that older Zens are more sensitive. I mean, even with 1080 Ti I saw a noticeable gain in games with faster RAM

AusWolf · Nov 25, 2022

tabascosauz said:
Weird conclusion to come to since even in the limited selection of games they tested, there are instances where RAM makes a difference at all resolutions.

It's perfectly understandable that the games you play may not see much benefit, but blanket statements aren't very accurate.

Vcache generally seems to level the playing field, however, so RAM doesn't always make a huge difference

I just try to see the usefulness of difference. The biggest one I see is Far Cry 6 at 1080p, which is 135 vs 150 FPS between 4800 vs 6000 MHz, which still isn't significant enough to matter, in my opinion.

Ruru · Nov 25, 2022

AusWolf said:
I just try to see the usefulness of difference. The biggest one I see is Far Cry 6 at 1080p, which is 135 vs 150 FPS between 4800 vs 6000 MHz, which still isn't significant enough to matter, in my opinion.

Well, 10% is still somewhat a noticeable difference even if not that significant.

tabascosauz · Nov 25, 2022

Lenne said:
I guess that older Zens are more sensitive. I mean, even with 1080 Ti I saw a noticeable gain in games with faster RAM

Think I heard bz mention in passing in a recent video that dual rank for DDR5 doesn't matter as much as it did for DDR4. Something to do with having a greater number of effective bank groups.

Though, I was only half-listening while doing something else, so it might be an intel only thing, who knows.

AusWolf said:
I just try to see the usefulness of difference. The biggest one I see is Far Cry 6 at 1080p, which is 135 vs 150 FPS between 4800 vs 6000 MHz, which still isn't significant enough to matter, in my opinion.

Like I said, perfectly understandable if you don't mind it on your setup. But most people are here to get the most out of what they buy. Running JEDEC on a 6000 kit doesn't exactly fit that bill.

And if you have a 60Hz display, it's hard to justify anything, honestly. Everything feels the same anyway

HD64G · Nov 26, 2022

Chomiq said:
-15 all core would end up in whea 19 reboots during low power states in my case. Can't imagine going above 20. Like I said, I don't even know what would RM suggest because it never finished.

RM CO test is good only for per-core optimization. So, let it run every core seperately and adjust those one by one.

AusWolf · Nov 26, 2022

tabascosauz said:
Like I said, perfectly understandable if you don't mind it on your setup. But most people are here to get the most out of what they buy. Running JEDEC on a 6000 kit doesn't exactly fit that bill.

And if you have a 60Hz display, it's hard to justify anything, honestly. Everything feels the same anyway

I do want to have 6000 MHz and use my system to its full potential - that's why I bought this kit. It's only that the lockup during every single cold boot is extremely annoying. I'm trying to find the tradeoff. :ohwell:

If I have to lose 5% game performance that I don't notice anyway (I have a 60 Hz display), then so be it, I guess. Not ideal, but not bad.

If anyone has a better solution (maybe I need to manually do something with my voltages), please shout up!

freeagent · Nov 26, 2022

Hey! I found pictures of my rig being used in a review, how awesome is that??

Photos were shot on an iPhone XS Max lol

Made my day!

Thermalright Frost Commander 140 (xtremesystems.org)

Down in the AMD part

Edit:

I had the cooler upside down without knowing it at the time, that is why it is so close to the pcie slot. Turn it around and you can stick a couple fingers in there

But all of those Strix shots and case shots with my 120x38s and 980 Classified, those are all me

AusWolf · Nov 26, 2022

freeagent said:
Hey! I found pictures of my rig being used in a review, how awesome is that??

Photos were shot on an iPhone XS Max lol

Made my day!

Thermalright Frost Commander 140 (xtremesystems.org)

Down in the AMD part

Edit:

I had the cooler upside down without knowing it at the time, that is why it is so close to the pcie slot. Turn it around and you can stick a couple fingers in there

But all of those Strix shots and case shots with my 120x38s and 980 Classified, those are all me

I would claim for unauthorized use of intellectual property if I were you.

freeagent · Nov 26, 2022

AusWolf said:
I would claim for unauthorized use of intellectual property if I were you.

Ehh.. I don’t mind

Mussels · Nov 27, 2022

It seems my 5800x3D greatly prefers my new alphacool block over my EK block

sure it hasnt been running long, but the heat would build up fast on the EK - look at that lack of spread

Although at present it looks like frodo needs to drop the one ring into it

freeagent · Nov 28, 2022

Nice and tight

Mine is just a little looser after 30 mins :cool:

MagnyCours · Nov 28, 2022

Updated my BIOS from version F6B to F7A. After the update, my previously stable memory OC settings were suddenly giving me all kinds of issues (unable to POST, freezing in BIOS, Windows memory_management BSOD, etc.)

Turns out this setting was the culprit:

It was set on "Auto" on the newest BIOS, which probably meant that it was Enabled by default. So I disabled it and all the issues I had were gone! It was probably causing all kinds of memory training issues when it was enabled.

Mussels · Nov 28, 2022

cross-posting this into another thread, but awww-yis
Nothing like cooling that works properly, and power efficent gaming (R23 for 30 minutes, 2 hours of 4k140 gaming and then an hour of TPU)

No more random 80C spikes, that was apparently something to do with the EK block

(That 633W spike when the FPS limiter wasn't active yet and afterburner wasnt limiting things tho, oops XD)

tabascosauz · Nov 28, 2022

MagnyCours said:
Updated my BIOS from version F6A to F7B. After the update, my previously stable memory OC settings were suddenly giving me all kinds of issues (unable to POST, freezing in BIOS, Windows memory_management BSOD, etc.)

Turns out this setting was the culprit:

It was set on "Auto" on the newest BIOS, which probably meant that it was Enabled by default. So I disabled it and all the issues I had were gone! It was probably causing all kinds of memory training issues when it was enabled.

Is this a new AGESA feature to address long AM5 POST times? Seems like a good solution......if it worked...lol

MagnyCours · Nov 28, 2022

It probably is! I did notice that boots on restarts were almost instantaneous when the setting was enabled, but it was unstable as hell so.... back to 30 sec. long POST times for me.

Chomiq · Nov 28, 2022

Chomiq said:
I gave it a shot once, took over an hour and a half (with two restarts) only to fail at 99% which then had me restart from scratch after reboot.

Instead I stick to -15 on silver/gold cores and -10 on everything else.

And of course two days after I posted this I got WHEA reboot on Core 3 (gold). All core -10 it is.

Honestly, curve optimizer is a PITA, it can be stable for weeks and yet somehow you run into a random reboot in hour 6 of gaming session.

tabascosauz · Nov 28, 2022

Chomiq said:
And of course two days after I posted this I got WHEA reboot on Core 3 (gold). All core -10 it is.

Honestly, curve optimizer is a PITA, it can be stable for weeks and yet somehow you run into a random reboot in hour 6 of gaming session.

Done any proper testing with corecycler, OCCT or ycruncher?

The cores ratings don't really have anything to do with how much offset they can run, that's different for every core on every CPU sample, you gotta test. My 5900X did -2 and -5 on its best cores, yet the next best core took -30 and clocked higher than the preferred cores. My old 5700G did -10 across the board, my new one does -15. My 5800X3D does -25 all cores.

AusWolf · Nov 28, 2022

MagnyCours said:
Updated my BIOS from version F6B to F7A. After the update, my previously stable memory OC settings were suddenly giving me all kinds of issues (unable to POST, freezing in BIOS, Windows memory_management BSOD, etc.)

Turns out this setting was the culprit:

It was set on "Auto" on the newest BIOS, which probably meant that it was Enabled by default. So I disabled it and all the issues I had were gone! It was probably causing all kinds of memory training issues when it was enabled.

That setting has given me trouble with my MSi board too.

tabascosauz said:
Is this a new AGESA feature to address long AM5 POST times? Seems like a good solution......if it worked...lol

It's in my board's BIOS since launch.

Chomiq · Nov 28, 2022

tabascosauz said:
Done any proper testing with corecycler, OCCT or ycruncher?

The cores ratings don't really have anything to do with how much offset they can run, that's different for every core on every CPU sample, you gotta test. My 5900X did -2 and -5 on its best cores, yet the next best core took -30 and clocked higher than the preferred cores. My old 5700G did -10 across the board, my new one does -15. My 5800X3D does -25 all cores.

Well duh, obviously I haven't

Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a go. Already got myself corecycler, boosttester and PBO2 tuner.

AusWolf · Nov 30, 2022

Now I started having random system restarts with no definite trace in the event viewer. I'm getting the feeling that either my motherboard, or my RAM is faulty. Or could it be the CPU?

Why did I decide to give MSi another chance after being burned so many times?! :banghead:

Mussels · Dec 1, 2022

AusWolf said:
Now I started having random system restarts with no definite trace in the event viewer. I'm getting the feeling that either my motherboard, or my RAM is faulty. Or could it be the CPU?

Why did I decide to give MSi another chance after being burned so many times?!

Tried lowering the mem clock/IF to see if it helps?

XMP on, but then lower it to something between XMP and JEDEC

tabascosauz · Dec 1, 2022

AusWolf said:
Now I started having random system restarts with no definite trace in the event viewer. I'm getting the feeling that either my motherboard, or my RAM is faulty. Or could it be the CPU?

Why did I decide to give MSi another chance after being burned so many times?!

Is your RAM actually stable in TM5? At least 3 cycles 1usmusv3 to get a rough idea. Shouldn't take u more than an hour

Tech_fanatic · Dec 1, 2022

MagnyCours said:
Updated my BIOS from version F6B to F7A. After the update, my previously stable memory OC settings were suddenly giving me all kinds of issues (unable to POST, freezing in BIOS, Windows memory_management BSOD, etc.)

Turns out this setting was the culprit:

It was set on "Auto" on the newest BIOS, which probably meant that it was Enabled by default. So I disabled it and all the issues I had were gone! It was probably causing all kinds of memory training issues when it was enabled.

I have also installed the latest BIOS from the OEM. The motherboard takes 30sec plus just for the memory training and for the boot screen to appear on any memory setting other than the stock JEDEC 4800. This happens even with the XMP3 profile of 6000 on every boot/reboot. So I am forced to stay with 4800 atm. Also there is no such setting on my motherboard for memory as shown in your screenshot. Can't wait 30 secs just for the monitor to turn ON. Come on Ryzen community let's get this to AMD asap :confused:

MagnyCours · Dec 1, 2022

Mine is nested inside the AMD CBS menu. I'll post some pictures below, hope it'll help find yours.

tabascosauz · Dec 1, 2022

MagnyCours said:
Mine is nested inside the AMD CBS menu. I'll post some pictures below, hope it'll help find yours.

This one of those times I wish GB and Asrock would get with the times and add a search function to their BIOS, like Asus and MSI have done for years

System Name	4K-gaming / console
Processor	5800X @ PBO +200 / i5-8600K @ 4.6GHz
Motherboard	ROG Crosshair VII Hero / ROG Strix Z370-F
Cooling	Alphacool Eisbaer 360 / Alphacool Eisbaer 240
Memory	32GB DDR4-3466 / 16GB DDR4-3600
Video Card(s)	Asus RTX 3080 TUF OC / Powercolor RX 6700 XT
Storage	3.5TB of SSDs / several small SSDs
Display(s)	4K120 IPS + 4K60 IPS / 1080p60 HDTV
Case	Corsair 4000D AF White / DeepCool CC560 WH
Audio Device(s)	Sony WH-CH720N / TV speakers
Power Supply	EVGA G2 750W / Fractal ION Gold 550W
Mouse	Razer Basilisk / Logitech G400s
Keyboard	Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO / NOS C450 Mini Pro
VR HMD	Oculus Rift CV1
Software	Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores	They run Crysis

Processor	Various Intel and AMD CPUs
Motherboard	Micro-ATX and mini-ITX
Cooling	Yes
Memory	Overclocking is overrated
Video Card(s)	Various Nvidia and AMD GPUs
Storage	A lot
Display(s)	Monitors and TVs
Case	It's not about size, but how you use it
Audio Device(s)	Speakers and headphones
Power Supply	300 to 750 W, bronze to gold
Mouse	Wireless
Keyboard	Mechanic
VR HMD	Not yet
Software	Linux gaming master race

System Name	4K-gaming / console
Processor	5800X @ PBO +200 / i5-8600K @ 4.6GHz
Motherboard	ROG Crosshair VII Hero / ROG Strix Z370-F
Cooling	Alphacool Eisbaer 360 / Alphacool Eisbaer 240
Memory	32GB DDR4-3466 / 16GB DDR4-3600
Video Card(s)	Asus RTX 3080 TUF OC / Powercolor RX 6700 XT
Storage	3.5TB of SSDs / several small SSDs
Display(s)	4K120 IPS + 4K60 IPS / 1080p60 HDTV
Case	Corsair 4000D AF White / DeepCool CC560 WH
Audio Device(s)	Sony WH-CH720N / TV speakers
Power Supply	EVGA G2 750W / Fractal ION Gold 550W
Mouse	Razer Basilisk / Logitech G400s
Keyboard	Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO / NOS C450 Mini Pro
VR HMD	Oculus Rift CV1
Software	Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores	They run Crysis

System Name	ab┃ob
Processor	7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard	B650E PG-ITX┃X570 Impact
Cooling	NH-U12A + T30┃AXP120-x67
Memory	64GB 6400CL32┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s)	RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage	8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Case	Caselabs S3┃Lazer3D HT5

Processor	AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W
Motherboard	MSI B550 Tomahawk
Cooling	ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA
Memory	2*8GB PATRIOT PVS416G400C9K@3733MT_C16
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Radeon RX 6750 XT Pulse 12GB
Storage	Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB
Display(s)	AOC 27G2U/BK IPS 144Hz
Case	SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK
Audio Device(s)	Realtek 7.1 onboard
Power Supply	Seasonic Core GC 500W
Mouse	Sharkoon SHARK Force Black
Keyboard	Trust GXT280
Software	Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux

Processor	AMD R7 5800X3D
Motherboard	Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero
Cooling	Thermalright Frozen Edge 360, 3x TL-B12 V2, 2x TL-B12 V1
Memory	2x8 G.Skill Trident Z Royal 3200C14, 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z Black and White 3200 C14
Video Card(s)	Zotac 4070 Ti Trinity OC
Storage	WD SN850 1TB, SN850X 2TB, SN770 1TB
Display(s)	LG 50UP7100
Case	Fractal Torrent Compact
Audio Device(s)	JBL Bar 700
Power Supply	Seasonic Vertex GX-1000, Monster HDP1800
Mouse	Logitech G502 Hero
Keyboard	Logitech G213
VR HMD	Oculus 3
Software	Yes
Benchmark Scores	Yes

System Name	Rainbow Sparkles (Power efficient, <350W gaming load)
Processor	Ryzen R7 5800x3D (Undervolted, 4.45GHz all core)
Motherboard	Asus x570-F (BIOS Modded)
Cooling	Alphacool Apex UV - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora + EK Quantum ARGB 3090 w/ active backplate
Memory	2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V Hynix MJR - SoC 1.15V)
Video Card(s)	Galax RTX 3090 SG 24GB: Underclocked to 1700Mhz 0.750v (375W down to 250W))
Storage	2TB WD SN850 NVME + 1TB Sasmsung 970 Pro NVME + 1TB Intel 6000P NVME USB 3.2
Display(s)	Phillips 32 32M1N5800A (4k144), LG 32" (4K60) \| Gigabyte G32QC (2k165) \| Phillips 328m6fjrmb (2K144)
Case	Fractal Design R6
Audio Device(s)	Logitech G560 \| Corsair Void pro RGB \|Blue Yeti mic
Power Supply	Fractal Ion+ 2 860W (Platinum) (This thing is God-tier. Silent and TINY)
Mouse	Logitech G Pro wireless + Steelseries Prisma XL
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman TE ( Sexy white keycaps)
VR HMD	Oculus Rift S + Quest 2
Software	Windows 11 pro x64 (Yes, it's genuinely a good OS) OpenRGB - ditch the branded bloatware!
Benchmark Scores	Nyooom.

System Name	Raphael // GS65-8SE
Processor	Ryzen 7 7800X3D -10 PBO2 // i7 8750h -0.140V UV
Motherboard	Aorus X670 Elite AX
Cooling	Corsair H100i Pro XT 240mm
Memory	2x16GB Kingston Fury Beast RGB @6000-30-36-36-48-84 1.35V // 2x8GB 2666MHz
Video Card(s)	EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 Ultra 10GB @1860MHz 0.862V // RTX 2060 6GB Mobile 90W
Storage	WD Blue SN570 500GB + Samsung 960 EVO 1TB // ADATA XPG SX8200 1TB
Display(s)	Dell S2719DGF 27" 1440P 155Hz VRR
Case	Corsair 460X Crystal
Audio Device(s)	Apple USB C DAC Dongle
Power Supply	Asus ROG Strix 850G (Rebranded Seasonic Prime Gold 850W)
Mouse	Razer Orochi V2
Keyboard	Corsair K70 LUX
Software	Win. 10 Professional
Benchmark Scores	-

Processor	Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite
Cooling	Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE
Memory	2x16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 Rev E @ 3600 CL14
Video Card(s)	RTX3080 Ti FE
Storage	SX8200 Pro 1 TB, Plextor M6Pro 256 GB, WD Blue 2TB
Display(s)	LG 34GN850P-B
Case	SilverStone Primera PM01 RGB
Audio Device(s)	SoundBlaster G6 \| Fidelio X2 \| Sennheiser 6XX
Power Supply	SeaSonic Focus Plus Gold 750W
Mouse	Endgame Gear XM1R
Keyboard	Wooting Two HE

System Name	Om Namah Shivay
Processor	AMD Ryzen 9 7900x
Motherboard	Asrock X670E Steel Legend
Cooling	NZXT Kraken X63
Memory	Corsair Vengeance 2X16GB DDR5 6000MHz ( At stock JEDEC 4800 MHz)
Video Card(s)	ASUS Dual Fan AMD Radeon RX 6700XT
Storage	500 GB Crucial P5 Plus; 1TB Crucial P5 Plus; 1TB HDD: 2TB Adata S7 Blade; 1TB Crucial MX500;
Display(s)	Samsung Odyssey G4 25" (Primary); Samsung S19B150 (secondary display)
Case	Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO
Audio Device(s)	Razer Blackshark V2
Power Supply	ASUS Thor 850P 80 Plus Platinum
Mouse	Razer Basilisk V3 (Productivity); Razer Viper 8kHz (Secondary)
Keyboard	Razer Huntsman Tournament Edition
Software	Windows 11
Benchmark Scores	Can it run Crysis?

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