Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[freeagent]

Man.. either I am old, or I have been using AMD for a long time. I started with them on socket A with a 2600+. No rubber pads on it, and with the damn clip, I crunched the core one too many times. Got a 2500+ mobile, then moved to 939 with a Sandy and 2x Toledo's. Then it was off to 775 where I ran a bunch of stuff, then to X58 where I stayed for 8 or 9 years. Then to 1151 in 2017ish.. Rode that till 2020 when these fine lads helped me build on AM4. Started with a 3600XT, then 5600X, 5900X, 58X3D, and I rode that until yesterday. Now I am running on AM5 with a 9900X.

Benchmarks look great so far compared to what I am used to. Haven't played any games yet. Been tweaking the CPU a bit. The ram scares the shit out of me, like really is there a need for all that stuff

Lots of things in bios I am not familiar with, but I headed straight to the PBO section after I flashed the bios lol.. it came with a beta from April.

It isn't a Crosshair, but its decent.

And I have room for all of my NVME, no Hyper M.2 needed

 

[AusWolf]

Man.. either I am old, or I have been using AMD for a long time. I started with them on socket A with a 2600+. No rubber pads on it, and with the damn clip, I crunched the core one too many times. Got a 2500+ mobile, then moved to 939 with a Sandy and 2x Toledo's. Then it was off to 775 where I ran a bunch of stuff, then to X58 where I stayed for 8 or 9 years. Then to 1151 in 2017ish.. Rode that till 2020 when these fine lads helped me build on AM4. Started with a 3600XT, then 5600X, 5900X, 58X3D, and I rode that until yesterday. Now I am running on AM5 with a 9900X.

Benchmarks look great so far compared to what I am used to. Haven't played any games yet. Been tweaking the CPU a bit. The ram scares the shit out of me, like really is there a need for all that stuff

Lots of things in bios I am not familiar with, but I headed straight to the PBO section after I flashed the bios lol.. it came with a beta from April.

It isn't a Crosshair, but its decent.

And I have room for all of my NVME, no Hyper M.2 needed

Oh, I didn't start on AMD with Ryzen myself. My first one was an Athlon 64 3000+ S754 Newcastle. What a brilliant CPU!

Then after some time on Intel, I had an FX-8150 with mixed emotions. It was great in some things (multitasking), but dogshit in others (gaming). But I liked it anyway, as I almost always like the hardware I'm using.

Then I took another Intel break, and then I was back on AMD with Ryzen 5000 and 3000 series, and now with a 7800X3D. I'm not even gonna look at Intel as long as they keep pursuing their heterogeneous core configs.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Man.. either I am old, or I have been using AMD for a long time. I started with them on socket A with a 2600+. No rubber pads on it, and with the damn clip, I crunched the core one too many times. Got a 2500+ mobile, then moved to 939 with a Sandy and 2x Toledo's. Then it was off to 775 where I ran a bunch of stuff, then to X58 where I stayed for 8 or 9 years. Then to 1151 in 2017ish.. Rode that till 2020 when these fine lads helped me build on AM4. Started with a 3600XT, then 5600X, 5900X, 58X3D, and I rode that until yesterday. Now I am running on AM5 with a 9900X.

Benchmarks look great so far compared to what I am used to. Haven't played any games yet. Been tweaking the CPU a bit. The ram scares the shit out of me, like really is there a need for all that stuff

Lots of things in bios I am not familiar with, but I headed straight to the PBO section after I flashed the bios lol.. it came with a beta from April.

It isn't a Crosshair, but its decent.

And I have room for all of my NVME, no Hyper M.2 needed

If you're old, then I'm geriatric having had my first AMD on Socket 7. (Cue forum member that had an AM286.) K6-2s were nearly as good as Pentium MMX for something like half the money. Jumped ship to Intel's Wolfdale after K8 and didn't come back until picking up a 5600G to run my game server (which I should check on).

you don't have that CPU listed in your Specs.

That's hardly a reliable indicator of anything: neither do I. (EDIT: Whoops, turns out I do, it's just not true anymore as I've gone back to my 10700K rig as my daily.) Lots of us have multiple systems. I've got five in active service, with several more in reserve. Specs are also often out-of-date. That's also been continually true for me of late as I've been moving hardware around more often than usual.

 

[Veseleil]

This is supposed to be a safe space for Ryzen users, you don't have that CPU listed in your Specs. You see you cannot speak without purporting your opinion in front of AMD's position. Lisa Su herself stated that AM5 would be supported until 2027. There is a clear difference in philosophy between AMD and Intel. When Intel were in the leadership position they nickeled and dimed 4 cores for a decade. Even the TIM on their CPUs and the lack of a backplate on MBs were all cost cutting measures.

AMD has always been about socket compatibility Zen 6 will be on AM5 and there will be new MBs to buy as well but you will be fine if you are already there. That is the foundation that AMD created that makes Techpowerup getting posts like "Should I upgrade my 2600 to 5800X3D or 5950X?" or should I change my MB from TUF to Strix" . Those are not 4 core varaints of each other but modern PC parts that scream performance. Just because the narrative of Dual CCD became the "truth" does not mean that a single 12 core will suddenly be revolutionary but I look forward to dropping one in my system and if it blows a 7900X3D away I will definitely enjoy it and my daughter will get a powerful Gaming PC on B650.

We all hope that Zen 6 IOD will be a lot better than the current one, as it always was the weakest link (pun intended) of a very impressive CPU lineup, looking from Zen 1 to Zen 5. Then I might consider an upgrade to something like 10800X3D (let's hope they change the naming scheme tho, but not into something with an AI in the name!).
Although the 9800X3D would be a nice upgrade from a 5800X3D (unlike 7800X3D which really isn't), and considering the overall much higher cost of an AM5 platform (mobo, ram, CPUs), for people on a tight budget, myself included, AM5 is still not tempting or justified enough.
Also what I was contemplating lately is that I don't really need a more powerful system, as I'm not playing shitty newer AAA games (UE5). And the only scenario in which the best of the best is really appreciated or a must, is fulfilling my desire for a dedicated racing and flying sim rig, with the best VR headset available. And those toys demand a huge investment anyway.

 

[archie_kaos]

Oh, I didn't start on AMD with Ryzen myself. My first one was an Athlon 64 3000+ S754 Newcastle. What a brilliant CPU!

My first one was a 486. AMD DX2 with 66Mhz. And with 4 Megabytes of Ram. Paired with a S3 Graphics Card from Videoseven (VESA Local Bus). Wild thing. Doom was running and with a Sony (Double Speed) CD-Rom: Rebel Assault - the Graphics of this Game where mindblowing at this Time. And don't forget: Duke Nukem 3D.

 

[AusWolf]

That's hardly a reliable indicator of anything: neither do I. (EDIT: Whoops, turns out I do, it's just not true anymore as I've gone back to my 10700K rig as my daily.) Lots of us have multiple systems. I've got five in active service, with several more in reserve. Specs are also often out-of-date. That's also been continually true for me of late as I've been moving hardware around more often than usual.

I used to have my main gaming rig in my system specs, but I deleted it. I noticed that whenever you comment on an Intel/Nvidia/AMD thread, there's always gonna be a few individuals who check your specs, and dismiss all of the points you're trying to make on the basis of being a fan of the companies listed in your specs, even if you're not. Having multiple other systems with different specs doesn't matter to them, either. I want none of that. I prefer an educated conversation when people actually listen to what others have got to say instead of just blurting out their own bullshit and calling everybody else a fanboy.

 

[Macro Device]

This is supposed to be a safe space for Ryzen users

And have I even attempted to ruin any Ryzen owner's day? Huh.

you don't have that CPU listed in your Specs

As if the Specs on TPU is the only reputable source of information.

You see you cannot speak without purporting your opinion in front of AMD's position

As if I did that. False accusations all over again. Replace your optics maybe.

When Intel were in the leadership position they nickeled and dimed 4 cores for a decade. Even the TIM on their CPUs and the lack of a backplate on MBs were all cost cutting measures.

We'll talk about that once AMD become the new Intel. And since Intel fail miserably on all fronts... I see it coming.

 

[freeagent]

9900X is a savage beast lol.

I haven't run it at stock though.. after the bios flash right to PBO

 

[DAPUNISHER]

My current systems are 2 5800X3Ds, 5600X3D, and 7800X3D. All I can say is -

 

[Bronan]

My first one was a 486. AMD DX2 with 66Mhz. And with 4 Megabytes of Ram. Paired with a S3 Graphics Card from Videoseven (VESA Local Bus). Wild thing. Doom was running and with a Sony (Double Speed) CD-Rom: Rebel Assault - the Graphics of this Game where mindblowing at this Time. And don't forget: Duke Nukem 3D.

I got in much earlier as i started with cpm machine Sharp MZ731 then the a old IBM machine from my uncle the first 8008 and then the famous first game boxes
Switch often when i had enough saved up on the first ones all where making jokes on me having that weird brand from nowhere and such
But i admit i am not whatever brand bound as during the long years in IT i switched often between any brand who had a good performing machine or was a nice step towards faster performance not matter what brand.
When the games began to became more powerfull, i constant switched to the brand who gave in my games the best performance and i stopped using Intel on the 9900KF after that it is AMD who wins the lottery especially as i like that they made bigger steps in constant improving what they bring to the market.
While Intel came time after time with the same concept constant just clocked higher and higher without any improvements at all.
IT wise i started make companies switch to AMD as well as it became clear they where a good competition making many customers happy with a good performing server who kinda never disappointed and ran stable as a rock.
Till today most people i advised to go for either brand are still running systems for the tasks they needed to run, so i am kinda proud that i have made good decision in the time i was working.
Now i am a old retired man i have a overkill machine with 7800X3D and did not see any improvement fopr the games i play to upgrade to the new model and the latest does not either.
However i am kinda sure that at least i go for the 9070 XT and if they launch again a faster model i probably choose that as well.
Now the question becomes when will i switch to a new cpu as i see hardly any benefit yet for the things i do at the moment ( read here playing games )

We all hope that Zen 6 IOD will be a lot better than the current one, as it always was the weakest link (pun intended) of a very impressive CPU lineup, looking from Zen 1 to Zen 5. Then I might consider an upgrade to something like 10800X3D (let's hope they change the naming scheme tho, but not into something with an AI in the name!).
Although the 9800X3D would be a nice upgrade from a 5800X3D (unlike 7800X3D which really isn't), and considering the overall much higher cost of an AM5 platform (mobo, ram, CPUs), for people on a tight budget, myself included, AM5 is still not tempting or justified enough.
Also what I was contemplating lately is that I don't really need a more powerful system, as I'm not playing shitty newer AAA games (UE5). And the only scenario in which the best of the best is really appreciated or a must, is fulfilling my desire for a dedicated racing and flying sim rig, with the best VR headset available. And those toys demand a huge investment anyway.

LoL i kinda see no reason to upgrade my 7800X3D at all yet
The only upgrade i need will be my gpu so there is no choice other than the 9070 XT the choice clear
But might also switch to a new cpu if it really shows performance increase for real ( read not stupid benchmarks )

 

[freeagent]

So.. just wanted to double check..

90c is ok?

I was running WCG for a bit and all cores were running at 5400 @ ~230w and temps were getting close to 90..

Also, SOC voltage seems a tad high, it is at auto though.. HWiNFO64 showing 1.27v-1.305v.

This guy was using 1.15 on Zen 3 soo...

 

[Chrispy_]

So.. just wanted to double check..

90c is ok?

I was running WCG for a bit and all cores were running at 5400 @ ~230w and temps were getting close to 90..

Also, SOC voltage seems a tad high, it is at auto though.. HWiNFO64 showing 1.27v-1.305v.

This guy was using 1.15 on Zen 3 soo...

Yep. 95C is the boost target temperature for Zen4 and Zen5 AFAIK.

As I understand it, 95C isn't bad, the boost algorithm will actively keep pushing harder if there's thermal headroom, up until you hit a different limit - either PBO-set PPT, or max safe voltage.

 

[Bronan]

So.. just wanted to double check..

90c is ok?

I was running WCG for a bit and all cores were running at 5400 @ ~230w and temps were getting close to 90..

Also, SOC voltage seems a tad high, it is at auto though.. HWiNFO64 showing 1.27v-1.305v.

This guy was using 1.15 on Zen 3 soo...

I would not worry one bit with 90 only worry when it goes over 95 for long runs

 

[mechtech]

So.. just wanted to double check..

90c is ok?

I was running WCG for a bit and all cores were running at 5400 @ ~230w and temps were getting close to 90..

Also, SOC voltage seems a tad high, it is at auto though.. HWiNFO64 showing 1.27v-1.305v.

This guy was using 1.15 on Zen 3 soo...

Aren't you a machinist?? Chuck that thing in a 4 jaw and face that ihs off lol

 

[Haytham]

Man.. either I am old, or I have been using AMD for a long time. I started with them on socket A with a 2600+. No rubber pads on it, and with the damn clip, I crunched the core one too many times. Got a 2500+ mobile, then moved to 939 with a Sandy and 2x Toledo's. Then it was off to 775 where I ran a bunch of stuff, then to X58 where I stayed for 8 or 9 years. Then to 1151 in 2017ish.. Rode that till 2020 when these fine lads helped me build on AM4. Started with a 3600XT, then 5600X, 5900X, 58X3D, and I rode that until yesterday. Now I am running on AM5 with a 9900X.

Benchmarks look great so far compared to what I am used to. Haven't played any games yet. Been tweaking the CPU a bit. The ram scares the shit out of me, like really is there a need for all that stuff

Lots of things in bios I am not familiar with, but I headed straight to the PBO section after I flashed the bios lol.. it came with a beta from April.

It isn't a Crosshair, but its decent.

And I have room for all of my NVME, no Hyper M.2 needed

Wow, It’s awesome to see how far you’ve come, and congrats on making the leap to AM5 with the 9900X

 

[lexluthermiester]

So.. just wanted to double check..

90c is ok?

Define "ok"?

Peak temp under load? It won't throttle, but it's not ideal.

If you're getting that hot under load and you're not wacking out the voltage/OC, then you need to upgrade your cooling. If you are OCing and fiddling with your voltage, then chances are you're going to be ok. Even then I would find a way to bring that temp down below 80C.

Also, SOC voltage seems a tad high, it is at auto though.. HWiNFO64 showing 1.27v-1.305v.

That seems high to me.

 

[freeagent]

Peak temp under load? It won't throttle, but it's not ideal.

If you're getting that hot under load and you're not wacking out the voltage/OC, then you need to upgrade your cooling. If you are OCing and fiddling with your voltage, then chances are you're going to be ok.

Oh yeah she's tuned, just got everything installed. I did dial my curve back a teensy bit, its running at around 5300 ish under this load.

Might be a bit too spicy..

 

[lexluthermiester]

Might be a bit too spicy..

Yeah, when HWInfo shows temps in red, it might be time to dial things back. Nice clocks though.
EDIT:
IF were me, I'd drop back to 4.9ghz(all core turbo) and drop that voltage by .100 or .115(to 1.25/1.235). At that voltage you should still be able to stay at 4.9 stable. That's just a guess but it seems about right.

 

[freeagent]

Yeah, when HWInfo shows temps in red, it might be time to dial things back. Nice clocks though.
EDIT:
IF were me, I'd drop back to 4.9ghz and drop that voltage by .100 or .115(to 1.25/1.235). At that voltage you should still be able to stay at 4.9 stable. That's just a guess but it seems about right.

That is PBO

 

[lexluthermiester]

That is PBO

To be fair, my experience with AM5 is still a bit limited. Have you toyed with dropping the voltage?

 

[AusWolf]

Yep. 95C is the boost target temperature for Zen4 and Zen5 AFAIK.

95 °C for regular, 89 °C for X3D CPUs.

So.. just wanted to double check..

90c is ok?

I was running WCG for a bit and all cores were running at 5400 @ ~230w and temps were getting close to 90..

Also, SOC voltage seems a tad high, it is at auto though.. HWiNFO64 showing 1.27v-1.305v.

This guy was using 1.15 on Zen 3 soo...

A bit high, yes. Drop that SoC to 1.2 V, see if it makes a difference.

Define "ok"?

Peak temp under load? It won't throttle, but it's not ideal.

If you're getting that hot under load and you're not wacking out the voltage/OC, then you need to upgrade your cooling. If you are OCing and fiddling with your voltage, then chances are you're going to be ok. Even then I would find a way to bring that temp down below 80C.


That seems high to me.

I'm not sure if below 80 is feasible on AM5, but I'd say, between 80 and 85 is good.

 

[Chrispy_]

95 °C for regular, 89 °C for X3D CPUs.

Oh, now you mention it - yes, but that's the 7000-series X3D chips only.
Zen 5 with the cores stacked on top of the cache solves the offset for thermal transfer, so the official spec over on AMD.com is back to 95C for all of the Zen5 models.

 

[AusWolf]

Oh, now you mention it - yes, but that's the 7000-series X3D chips only.
Zen 5 with the cores stacked on top of the cache solves the offset for thermal transfer, so the official spec over on AMD.com is back to 95C for all of the Zen5 models.

Ah! That's good to know.

 

[mtosev]

I'm going to ask here. Any new info about the release of Zen 5 threadripper CPUs?
I'm interested in buying one when they come out.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm not sure if below 80 is feasible on AM5, but I'd say, between 80 and 85 is good.

As I said, I'm not super familiar with OCing on AM5 yet, likely still in an AM4 frame of mind.