No, it's not.
Putting aside how relevant torture testing a new PC is for stability during next 3+ years, why not test for at least 24h straight? That used to be the common recommendation back in a day when I was still having fun with OC. And back then AMD CPUs were called XP - like experience. I presume FX has some connection with fireworks. Not sure about Zen, but you clearly need a lot of patience to setup this thing properly. ;-)
3, 4, 5 years. The systems I build rarely fail and when they do it's the power supply most of the time. There have been OC's have have failed after a few years, but it's usually the extreme OC's and by then most people are good for an upgrade anyway.
I can't argue with that. But others have experienced higher values. So hey... maybe the Ryzen's your clients are using will also reach that 140W one day? What then?
Are you saying that CPU's use more power over time? Never seen this. Ever. It just doesn't happen. Neither Intel nor AMD CPU's will ever do that. Otherwise 486's, Pentiums, K6's and XP's would all be non-functional because they'd draw to much power. Sorry, the laws of physics don't work that way.
Of course they are. But just the fact AMD says 95W doesn't mean that the CPU won't pull more.
Of course it'll draw more power when overclocked, but 50% to 110% more in a modest 10% to 30% OC state? Sorry, never seen that either. It just doesn't happen.
All matter degrades. All TIM lose efficiency, all cooler fans become louder with time. No way around it.
Because of the chemistry involved, it would take decades for currently available quality TIM's to degrade that much. Older stuff, ok it does and has, but it take more than 10 years. Ever taken apart an old Pentium 1 system and looked at the TIM? It's hard and crusty, but it's still doing the job it was intended to do.
I don't know. Luck? Relatively cool season? What about the degradation? Will they work well next summer?
Luck?
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Most of my clients are repeat customers or referrals from same. If the equipment being sold was failing left and right as is implied it would, there would not be nearly as much business as I do.
I don't see how your experience from 30 years ago could be useful with modern PCs. They're totally different.
You don't understand that experience gained is valuable? Or is it that you don't understand how it is relevant to the Ryzen platform? Overclocking has evolved over time but is essentullly achieved by the same methodology; Change the clock speed. If unstable try a higher voltage. If CPU gets hot, cool it. Repeat until maximum stable OC is reached.
But what you should have learned during those 3 decades is not to believe in TDP on consumer CPUs.
Why not? When a CPU manufacturer tests and retests the products they make and state specifications, they're not just slapping a random value in the spec sheet willy-nilly. It is because they've tested those values and have stated them for reference so all of their potential customers understand what to expect.
And BTW: based on earlier discussions I did fall under impression that you're much younger (like mid 20s, max 30).
LOL! I'm young at heart and I'll admit to being the occasional jackass. But yeah, I'm a grandfather if that helps you out.(Saying that just made me a little sad.. But I love my grandkids!)
Well.. we're in fact talking about cooling. So if I were you, I'd base my decisions on the bad experience and just be happy that they aren't mine.
I'm in the business of looking for worst case scenario, so at least for me this seems pretty natural.
Right. And all I'm trying to point out with this issue(and at this point I'm sorry I brought up the Hyper T4) is that someone was looking for a good cooler and I recommended one that had given good performance. Sure there are better coolers out there, but they come at a higher price. The T4 is a lower profile cooler which will fit into smaller cases, which is the impression that I got reading about the goal of the system build. So there we are.