Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Johan45]

Well finally up and running. Still on original BIOS, 0702 but memory is running at 3200 no issues and tried mild OC (3.8Ghz). Used Asus software to begin and voltage as showing as 1.35 despite applying .05 offset.
Prime on max heat test (Small FT) and the air cooler keeping it below 70 degrees after 10 mins.

Happy so far. Feel no need for BIOS update. Will play more with OC as the week goes on. Also have my 1080ti FE under a heatkiller block and at 2Ghz settled at 43 degrees after 90 mins of BF1 averaging about 125-135 fps @ 1440p on ultra.

FWIW found Ryzen Master pretty poor compared to Asus own OC software.

Edit: ignore edit.... Phone acting weird

That's funny you say that about Ryzen Master. I'm not a fan of OC software accept maybe TurboV but I find it easy to use. Live core speed, mem needs a reboot but it boots right up.

 

[the54thvoid]

For the Crosshair VI you really should update the UEFI, there is a bug in that version that can cause the SOC voltage to get to high and brick your motherboard. Also has something to do if it updates the UEFI from within windows from the asus software.

I've heard about ssues but the system is stable so far with no boot issues and have runa few tests so far. I have 1002 BIOS on a USB stick so may give that a go anyway. In the meantime, ran a wee Time spy bench. No idea if this is good or bad but tbh, at 2Ghz, I think the Ryzen CPU might ber holding back the 1080ti. Or is that just me being paranoid?

CPU at 3.8Ghz all cores.

 

[cadaveca]

I barely score that with two 1070's and a 4.6 GHz 6700K.

 

[the54thvoid]

I barely score that with two 1070's and a 4.6 GHz 6700K.

Given the current performance on a 'shaky' BIOS, is it wise for me to flash to a new BIOS if memory and OC is stable?

 

[cdawall]

Yes flash to the new bios.

 

[Ungari]

What's this nonsense with hardly any boards offering Dual BIOS chips?
Last summer when Pascal released the AIB GPU cards switched to using flashing software and now the same with AM4 chipsets.
As enthusiasts we should protest this move especially since new BIOS are being released every week.

 

[the54thvoid]

What's this nonsense with hardly any boards offering Dual BIOS chips?
Last summer when Pascal released the AIB GPU cards switched to using flashing software and now the same with AM4 chipsets.
As enthusiasts we should protest this move especially since new BIOS are being released every week.

It's why I liked EVGA cards - some (FTW's and Classy's) offered dual if not triple BIOS. I know CPU BIOS flashing is more routine but it still causes a little anxiety.

 

[Dethroy]

It's why I liked EVGA cards - some (FTW's and Classy's) offered dual if not triple BIOS. I know CPU BIOS flashing is more routine but it still causes a little anxiety.

I've never had a MoBo brick due to BIOS flashing...

 

[cadaveca]

Given the current performance on a 'shaky' BIOS, is it wise for me to flash to a new BIOS if memory and OC is stable?

At this point, you will need to flash BIOS a few times in the coming months as fixes come out. Each should have a significant impact as AMD revises the AGESA code.

It's why I liked EVGA cards - some (FTW's and Classy's) offered dual if not triple BIOS. I know CPU BIOS flashing is more routine but it still causes a little anxiety.

I don't mind flashing from Windows, to be honest, but I have been flashing these AMD boards from DOS using a command prompt... My nails get shorter as the process completes..

 

[the54thvoid]

Flashed to 1002.....

 

[the54thvoid]

Oh dear dear dear.

Played around alittle but due to heat spikes I went back to stock. I'm now having random voltages spikes past 1.41 at stock and the temps rise as well (browsing). Was stable in 0702, now running 1002 and hey - it's more flaky.

Lesson? dont touch the freaking bios if i;'s running fine.

FFS.

 

[cadaveca]

Oh dear dear dear.

Played around alittle but due to heat spikes I went back to stock. I'm now having random voltages spikes past 1.41 at stock and the temps rise as well (browsing). Was stable in 0702, now running 1002 and hey - it's more flaky.

Lesson? dont touch the freaking bios if i;'s running fine.

FFS.

How did you flash the BIOS? I was instructed to do so ONLY via command prompt, since any other way would cause issues due to how the platform works. I wonder if users with this issue (you are not the only one) are dealing with this because of how the BIOS was flashed...

 

[RealNeil]

Lots going on in this thread. It's a good read.
I have a 1700X in the mail. (expected tomorrow or the next day)
I also got a good deal on a Crosshair-6 board. It's here already and the BIOS was already flashed prior to him shipping it to me.
I have a few 8GB Aegis DDR4-2133 to use until the 2-8GB DDR4-3200 GSKill sticks that I just ordered get here.
I also have a pair of Gigabyte 8GB RX480 G1-Gaming cards and a 500GB M.2 Drive to use.

I'm really anticipating building this box. It should fit right in here.

 

[the54thvoid]

How did you flash the BIOS? I was instructed to do so ONLY via command prompt, since any other way would cause issues due to how the platform works. I wonder if users with this issue (you are not the only one) are dealing with this because of how the BIOS was flashed...

In BIOS using the EZ flash utility. Wanted to avoid any windows based option. Also don't like the vague BIOS flashback when PC is off due to past poor experience.

I'll try different approaches to OC but I'd really like to know what the real temps are as the X models have that strange offset.

Any ideas if best to use Vcore fixed or offset?

 

[Johan45]

In BIOS using the EZ flash utility. Wanted to avoid any windows based option. Also don't like the vague BIOS flashback when PC is off due to past poor experience.

I'll try different approaches to OC but I'd really like to know what the real temps are as the X models have that strange offset.

Any ideas if best to use Vcore fixed or offset?

Depends on what you want in the end. Using fixed you won't get any power cycling while idle. If you're just testing I would use fixed for now and later if you want any power savings , on that Hero there's an option to alter the P-states through BIOS which will give you your overclock and maintain power cycling for low power idle state. I put together a guide here if you're interested.

 

[the54thvoid]

So.....

Ryzen 'X' model temp reporting. What is the deal? I know the junction temp is allegedly reporting 20 degrees higher than actual so my 3.8Ghz OC (running Prime) with the worlds best air cooler (TR Le Grand Macho) at 72-75 degrees isn't that hot? Can I really subtract 20 degrees? I'm quite sure I could run to 1.42 volts and get 3.9-4.0Ghz if i could trust the temp readout.......

 

[v12dock]

So.....

Ryzen 'X' model temp reporting. What is the deal? I know the junction temp is allegedly reporting 20 degrees higher than actual so my 3.8Ghz OC (running Prime) with the worlds best air cooler (TR Le Grand Macho) at 72-75 degrees isn't that hot? Can I really subtract 20 degrees? I'm quite sure I could run to 1.42 volts and get 3.9-4.0Ghz if i could trust the temp readout.......

I have been using the CPU diode as the real temp

 

[the54thvoid]

I have been using the CPU diode as the real temp

Forgive me, I could google that but what do you mean?

 

[v12dock]

Forgive me, I could google that but what do you mean?

 

[Johan45]

So.....

Ryzen 'X' model temp reporting. What is the deal? I know the junction temp is allegedly reporting 20 degrees higher than actual so my 3.8Ghz OC (running Prime) with the worlds best air cooler (TR Le Grand Macho) at 72-75 degrees isn't that hot? Can I really subtract 20 degrees? I'm quite sure I could run to 1.42 volts and get 3.9-4.0Ghz if i could trust the temp readout.......

I think HWinfo is very close on temps, it'll report Tctl and a CPU temp lower down. As you can see on the 1700 (without offset) they're very close to each other. I understood the offset was introduced to ramp fans to help keep the CPU in XFR mode. So I would assume going by the Tctl should be fine but I wouldn't push it too far. On top of that your mobo should start to throttle if the "CPU" temp gets above 95°c. This isn't something I have tested so ???

 

[the54thvoid]

I think HWinfo is very close on temps, it'll report Tctl and a CPU temp lower down. As you can see on the 1700 (without offset) they're very close to each other. I understood the offset was introduced to ramp fans to help keep the CPU in XFR mode. So I would assume going by the Tctl should be fine but I wouldn't push it too far. On top of that your mobo should start to throttle if the "CPU" temp gets above 95°c. This isn't something I have tested so ???View attachment 85979

HWinfo has tCTL at 69, the mobo section lists 59. That was running at 3.8 with 1.4v. HWinfo lists 1.55v on the top section across the cores but the mobo and Ryzen values are 1.39v.
All a bit weird to me. It's Prime stable and temps were solid (actually dropped a couple of degrees) with fans not ramping (qfan set to be quiet).

 

[Johan45]

I have the 1700x in an MSI board for testing this weekend I'll see if I can make any sense of the temps.

 

[the54thvoid]

Here's a screenshot of HWinfo while I ran a Small FFT Prime test. My BIOS settings are simple:

38 multiplier
1.4 Vcore
1.2 SOC
LLC 2
Memory set at 3200 (rated to 3200).

Tctl is 69.3 degrees
Mobo CPU reads 74 degrees
So VID says 1.55v
CPU (SVI2 TFN) reads 1.331v
Mobo Vcore reads 1.352v

So, Prime fails at 3.9Ghz with 1.41v and Tctl rises past 76.

What are the safe temps? Do we ned to wait for AMD to release a few more patches to show accurate temp readings? I'll push more volts if i know the temps are trustworthy but I dont like seeing temps climb towards 80.

 

[Johan45]

Here's a shot of the MSI board, P95 ~ 20 minutes You can clearly see that the 20° offset is applied to the Tctl . Looks like the CHVI dropped the offset in BIOS 1002

 

[the54thvoid]

I certainly have a poor chip. Sadness ensues.