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Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 XT Nitro+

There is absolutely no need to push Vanilla. I personally like simple and practical things hence my choice going vanilla.
I found it a good idea to use BTRFS in case something breaks. Using btrfs-assistant, snapper and something like grub-btrfs can be helpful when you're regularly trying something you're not sure of.

When you tinker with your system a lot, Arch can be a little unstable. For comparison, it runs without any hickups for years and years now on my laptop - I barely change anything there, and even if I update after a month since I haven't used it for a while, it's very rare that it runs into errors. On my desktop however, I tinker plenty, which breaks the system rather often. BTRFS can really help there.
 
And here we are, bitching about Nvidia and AMD on pricing and availability as if we knew nothing about how graphics cards are made. Tsk-tsk... :rolleyes:
Based on how some talk of pricing, you'd be correct in stating they know nothing about how cards are made. Many seem to think that $500 flagships are not available purely due to greed when the cost of a wafer is approaching 12x what they were in 2010.
What's wrong with Manjaro? I've used it before and can't say it wasn't fine.

If there's no Mesa 25 anywhere, then there's no point going the Arch way. :( Although it would be nice - the fact that SteamOS is based off Arch as well is good news for compatibility, I suppose.
I've had no issues with Manjaro and I have no idea what "decisions" hes talking about.
 
And here we are, bitching about Nvidia and AMD on pricing and availability as if we knew nothing about how graphics cards are made. Tsk-tsk... :rolleyes:
Yeah... but still.

Cheapest 9070XT is 900 Euro in Germany. (5070Ti at around 1100)
Cheapest 9070 is 750. (curiously, so is the 5070 bazinga)

Mid range cards...

F*ck this sh*t.
 
Yeah... but still.

Cheapest 9070XT is 900 Euro in Germany. (5070Ti at around 1100)
Cheapest 9070 is 750. (curiously, so is the 5070 bazinga)

Mid range cards...

F*ck this sh*t.
you can find XFX 9700xts for 779 to 800 € on amazon from NR Info. Just check periodically over the day. Found them already 3 - 4 times in stock.
 
you can find XFX 9700xts for 779 to 800 € on amazon from NR Info. Just check periodically over the day. Found them already 3 - 4 times in stock.
What is "NR info"?
 
I installed the Nitro+ and after 5 minutes of overclocking I broke 2 world records already!!! Too bad that nobody is using my exotic and rare CPU.

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nitro+OC Speed 1.png

Nomad crashed with -120mV, so I just tried -100. I also never tried any other memory frequency. This is a low effort overclocking.
 
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There is a mesa devel 25.1 AUR you can use on Arch (mesa-git) this is what I am using now. As @tpa-pr correctly said mesa 25 is already in testing for the standard package so it is close:

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Anyhow @AusWolf I would recommend check out the 'archinstall' script and if it is not to your liking you can still use an other Arch based repo (that is not Manjaro), @leonavis is correct about using a user friendly arch fork :)
There is absolutely no need to push Vanilla. I personally like simple and practical things hence my choice going vanilla.
I like simple myself, but using scripts without a GUI is anything but simple to me. :D

Anyhow, how easy is updating Mesa on different Arch distros? On Bazzite, you're stuck with the official channel. On Nobara, you have an AMD driver manager app which can pull the latest beta if needed (that's the only way I could test my GPU so far).
 
What's wrong with Manjaro? I've used it before and can't say it wasn't fine.

If there's no Mesa 25 anywhere, then there's no point going the Arch way. :( Although it would be nice - the fact that SteamOS is based off Arch as well is good news for compatibility, I suppose.

They've had a couple of instances where they've let security certificates expire and told users affected by it to "just roll back your date and time". There was also some controversy over how leadership was spending funds to buy a team member a gaming laptop, causing the donation administrator to leave when he was shouted down by the project lead.

Manjaro also tends to mix-and-match package versions (including packages from the AUR) and cause breakage that doesn't happen on Arch. Overall the project seems quite amateurish and I wouldn't trust it for a long-term stable OS.
 
This is why 'archinstaller' script was created (text based so not a gui but a UI at least) that basically does the same as a bazzite gui installer script.
Looks and feels similar to me ;-)

But I hear 'ya and I agree hopefully it won't be a long wait :)

Yesterday I did some testing (gaming actually;)) and a saw a constant ~3200Mhz core clock (w/o any OC on my end) with some 300+ power draw in a UE5 based game.
Not sure if silicon lotto or these chips are this good and I am not complaining for $599 :cool:


This is my gripe with MC. They do this because they want to make sure that each of them get their commission for each sold card.
It would have been so much faster to put the cards in a pile and print out the paper for each of them beforehand and hand that out to the people waiting in line.

Actually that is how it was when the first time happened we must had to be lined up before opening on a launch day. I recall staff was waling along the line outside and asking and discussing what card people need then handed over the printed paper for that card with their commission sticker on it. So when I got inside I essentially was only lining up for the cashier.
It was faster and smoother.

But I assume there were people cheating/misusing this system so we slowly ended up with what we have now. Which is the worst. But this is life :rolleyes:
I think that the biggest problem with their system was that they made everyone wait to checkout to pick up their cards, and that took forever! We were watching inside while waiting, and some people took over 10 minutes to check out, which is absurd, with hundreds of people waiting!
Either they should have just given us the cards from the start, or done what they eventually ended up doing: have a manager (or three) in the queue picking up the sheets and then the cards and running them to the customer either in the queue or at the register. Eventually (just before I got to the registers), one manager started doing that. But he still waited until we were at the front of the line going to the actual register. So, we were still sitting there waiting (and backing up the line) while he got them.
tldr?
I'm not reading a novel.
It was a 3.5 hour experience.

Right from my post (You can stick to the first sentence and maybe the third of the third point, if it's too much effort for you to read a whole paragraph):

A few things that struck me from talking to others:
1) the primary motivating factor for most people was that they'd heard that prices were going up, either from manufacturers and stores raising them, or more commonly Trump's tariffs.
2) Nvidia was pretty universally hailed as the bad guys, for their lack of stock, their overprices, and all the other mishaps they'd had.
3) but the most striking thing of all to me was that almost no one had any idea which card they wanted, besides a vague idea that they MIGHT want one of the MSRP models. A few people wanted a white one to match their build or some other specific interest, but even then, they didn't really care to investigate the specifics. And while maybe a little under half of the people I talked to were hoping to get one of the MSRP models, the majority didn't care. The general assumption was that those us of that far back in the line weren't going to get one of them. Remember, we had THREE HOURS in line, with nothing to do, but talk to each other. And they had their phones in their hands, checking the stock of the different cards. And I pointed out the spreadsheet to many of them. But almost no one was looking at the actual details of the differences between the cards. They would just be happy to get any of them, even if it was $150-200 more than MSRP. It was so weird to me. I had enough trouble convincing myself to blow $600, but to spend $150-200 more on cards with the same specs seemed just crazy. I just can't comprehend spending $600-700 without doing at least SOME research! One important thing to note is that most of the cards that went out of stock on the website while we were waiting were the more expensive models. Only one of the $600 cards sold out before I got in the store, 3 hours later.





Mate, i just read the first line:


"Ok, so I'll relate my experience"

and the last one:

"By the next day, they reported everything sold out."

In short would I be correct to assume you arrived on day two expecting stock, only to leave empty handed with nothing but a great story?
Nope. If you're read any further, you'd see that I got an overclocked model for $600.
"I upgraded my GPU to the 9070 XT series after watching reviews and seeing a $380 trade-in offer for my old card. I aimed for an MSRP model (Sapphire Pulse, Gigabyte Gaming OC), but things sold out quickly online. I rushed to MicroCenter, waited in a massive line for 3 hours, and observed that most people didn’t know what card they wanted, with many willing to overpay by $150-200 for the same specs. I eventually got the $600 Gigabyte card, despite others ending up with more expensive models. The store was slow, with confused customers and disorganized checkout. The line remained long even after I left. It was chaotic, but I managed to secure a card under MSRP, which felt like an accomplishment!"
Good summary. Maybe I should hire you to rewrite all of my posts everywhere! ;-)
The trade-in was only at Newegg, who sold out with a card in my cart. So I never traded my GRE in. I did, later go back to Micro Center and traded in two older 6800 XT and 6700 XT's (they only take back cards you bought at MicroCenter) for much less.

Side note: MC accepted my 6800 XT card that Newegg had previously rejected. So, it was working fine. I'm guessing that the excuse Newegg had (though they don't offer any explanations at all!) was that the serial number label sticker on the card was partially scratched off, despite most digits showing and matching the number on the box I sent with it. So, keep your serial stickers clean and intact!

This is my gripe with MC. They do this because they want to make sure that each of them get their commission for each sold card.
It would have been so much faster to put the cards in a pile and print out the paper for each of them beforehand and hand that out to the people waiting in line.

Actually that is how it was when the first time happened we must had to be lined up before opening on a launch day. I recall staff was waling along the line outside and asking and discussing what card people need then handed over the printed paper for that card with their commission sticker on it. So when I got inside I essentially was only lining up for the cashier.
It was faster and smoother.

But I assume there were people cheating/misusing this system so we slowly ended up with what we have now. Which is the worst. But this is life :rolleyes:
The biggest problem was that they didn't have the stock handy and had to go find and get each one individually, which took forever. And they couldn't grab any matching card from that model. It had to be the specific one on the paper. At first, they had each cashier go up to the pickup desk to get them after you got there, which took forever. While we were waiting outside, we saw some people standing at the cashiers waiting for over 10 minutes, as the lines got longer and longer! Eventually, they stopped letting people into the store for quite a while to try to go through the long line at checkout. They should have had someone working the line to take the papers and retrieve the cards.

Eventually, a manager started taking the papers, but he did it at the front of the line as we went to the cashiers, leaving us and the cashiers doing basically nothing but waiting for several unnecessary minutes as the line got longer.

In the end, I got one, so I'm glad. But there was no good reason for making us wait that long. yes, they sold over 500 cards. But it took them over 6 hours to do that, even with 8 cashiers on duty, with lines growing over 3 hours -- all of which is absurd.
Ironically, they apparently got a ton more in on Friday, though those sold out quickly, too. I wonder how backed up the lines got, since most people assumed that once they were gone, they were gone for a while.
 
3) but the most striking thing of all to me was that almost no one had any idea which card they wanted, besides a vague idea that they MIGHT want one of the MSRP models. A few people wanted a white one to match their build or some other specific interest, but even then, they didn't really care to investigate the specifics. And while maybe a little under half of the people I talked to were hoping to get one of the MSRP models, the majority didn't care.
That's mind-boggling indeed. I managed to get my Powercolor Reaper XT fairly easily and quickly because this was the specific model I went for. I had both Overclockers UK's and Scan's product page open, clicked "refresh" at 2 pm, and when Oc's page froze, I jumped over to Scan's, put the card into my basket, checkout, bam, done. I got the confirmation email before Scan's web page got bombarded and froze as well.
 
sudo pacman -S mesa-git
This may very well become the second terminal command that I've ever memorised (if I have the capacity, that is - I'm extremely bad at memorising things). Thanks. :D
 
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$730 seems much too steep.

I'm guessing that's a signal that AMD expects that it can't supply enough GPUs to satisfy prices near MSRP and that it cares more about short term profits than overall market share.

In my mind, that's a complete failure. I know it's a bit Apples to oranges, but the 9800x3d sells out instantly for months - supply just can't meet demand - yet the price stays the same MSRP. There's no reason AMD couldn't do that here with RDNA 4. They could sell these cards at $600 if they wanted to beat nvidia in this market.
I can think of a reason... AMD is the actual manufacturer of the CPUs. AMD isn't making GPUs, their AIB partners are.
 
I can think of a reason... AMD is the actual manufacturer of the CPUs. AMD isn't making GPUs, their AIB partners are.
AMD doesn't make anything. All their chips are manufactured at TSMC.
 
I can think of a reason... AMD is the actual manufacturer of the CPUs. AMD isn't making GPUs, their AIB partners are.
AMD has complete control over the pricing. All they have to do is tell AIBs "if you want us to sell you GPUs, you need to sell {x} amount of them at our MSRP" or "you may not charge more than {x} for a card with this GPU".

Acting like AIBs are responsible for the pricing, rather than AMD, is incredibly naive.
 
AMD has complete control over the pricing. All they have to do is tell AIBs "if you want us to sell you GPUs, you need to sell {x} amount of them at our MSRP" or "you may not charge more than {x} for a card with this GPU".

Acting like AIBs are responsible for the pricing, rather than AMD, is incredibly naive.
That was my impression too, isn't that part of the reason EVGA stopped making GPUs for Nvidia? Because of their tight price controls and margins? I would assume AMD have the same sort of pull.

The only difference I would say is that AMD probably have less pull with AIBs that also make Nvidia cards, because said AIBs could just say "fine we'll just make Nvidia GPUs exclusively". But they definitely should have some control nonetheless.
 
That was my impression too, isn't that part of the reason EVGA stopped making GPUs for Nvidia? Because of their tight price controls and margins? I would assume AMD have the same sort of pull.
I think NV's "controls" dwarf even Intel. The worst kind of intel that we've ever seen.

People being afraid to even meet with AMD reps.

I doubt AMD could do that even if it wanted. Dominant market position is the starting point.
(and no, I do not mean "all companies are the same", some are clearly filthier than others)
 
I tried to increase RAM speed:

nitro+ OC Nomad 3.png
nitro+ OC Speedway 3.png
Anyway, that is it for my overclocking attempts, I do not have a right CPU and I also have too slow RAM sticks, I am not well equipped for this.
 
Strangely it was relatively easy for me. I was looking for the 9070XT Nitro+, didn't have time to order on launch day and thought stock has surely depleted for days. The next day I was randomly checking and noticed some cards were periodically being restocked in low quantities. Randomly refreshed mid day, found the Nitro+, picked it up two days later.

Getting some other parts ready and then let's see what this card can do.
 
AMD has complete control over the pricing. All they have to do is tell AIBs "if you want us to sell you GPUs, you need to sell {x} amount of them at our MSRP" or "you may not charge more than {x} for a card with this GPU".

Acting like AIBs are responsible for the pricing, rather than AMD, is incredibly naive.
And then the AIB's tell them to get stuffed and switch over to completely Nvidia. Thinking that major corporations will just do what they're told, against their own financial best interests in incredibly naive. AMD needs the AIB's more than the AIB's need AMD. That put them in a weak negotiating position.

Also, business partners don't tend to take well to ultimatums or threats.

That was my impression too, isn't that part of the reason EVGA stopped making GPUs for Nvidia? Because of their tight price controls and margins? I would assume AMD have the same sort of pull.

The only difference I would say is that AMD probably have less pull with AIBs that also make Nvidia cards, because said AIBs could just say "fine we'll just make Nvidia GPUs exclusively". But they definitely should have some control nonetheless.
Yep!
 
AMD has complete control over the pricing. All they have to do is tell AIBs "if you want us to sell you GPUs, you need to sell {x} amount of them at our MSRP" or "you may not charge more than {x} for a card with this GPU".

Acting like AIBs are responsible for the pricing, rather than AMD, is incredibly naive.
AMD can have as much control over AIB pricing as the contracts say they do. I'm not privy to the details of those contracts, but from my observations it certainly doesn't appear that AMD currently has "complete control over the pricing".
 
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