TPU's F@H Team

[mstenholm]

Does it make minutes or hours difference @mstenholm ?

@phill I learn the lesson by mistake years ago and have paid extra attention to always leave one thread free. I can't remember the exact slow down but we are talking a few percentage, so a TPF going from 60 to 62 seconds or there about which with the early return bonus adds up. I only have one PC that runs Windows and fold and that is my daily driver and there I leave three threads free from folding and WCG so I don't get slowed down. I will leave any testing to you

 

[phill]

Well I might have a look, I have two same systems so I'll see what I can do

How do you leave it free? Just tell it in the WCG settings to use xx% instead of 100% of the CPU?

 

[mstenholm]

Well I might have a look, I have two same systems so I'll see what I can do

How do you leave it free? Just tell it in the WCG settings to use xx% instead of 100% of the CPU?

Si and when I fold I just have two free thread instead of the normal three. I'm to lazy to change the xx% when the urge to fold come over me.

 

[debs3759]

what was the data on the ftp site?

I decided to download drivers for most PC hardware while it's still available, as so many drivers have been lost to time, and I particularly like their motherboards. I have a growing library of hardware drivers (bit of an OCD thing really).

It seems that O&O Defrag affects GPU folding as well.

 

[Jacky_BEL]

I was just more pointing out that the point of WCG, is not to have the fastest clock speed ever but to just have something that won't stop regardless The Xeon I had and still do have, worked flawlessly but when I look at my 6700k using about 110w for 8 threads and then I look at my 3900X using about 140w for 24 threads, I know where the cash would go I know I under volt all of my CPUs, none for WCG run at full chat

I suppose the other way you could look at it is that a cheap cooler, another board and a few GB of DDR3, you'd have double the thread count, similar power usage from a single 4790k and more points

In windows, I simply limit the CPU power setting so the CPU doesn't run over 60 degreec C while running WCG.
I just set it in Configuration - Power managment for CPU - maximum processorstatus and set it to 95%.
I guess this prevents the CPU in going to turbo clock speeds and run cooler.

 

[dogwitch]

I decided to download drivers for most PC hardware while it's still available, as so many drivers have been lost to time, and I particularly like their motherboards. I have a growing library of hardware drivers (bit of an OCD thing really).

It seems that O&O Defrag affects GPU folding as well.

ah.. i never once had a good exp with there mobo.

 

[debs3759]

In windows, I simply limit the CPU power setting so the CPU doesn't run over 60 degreec C while running WCG.
I just set it in Configuration - Power managment for CPU - maximum processorstatus and set it to 95%.
I guess this prevents the CPU in going to turbo clock speeds and run cooler.

I have my i7 6700K overclocked to 4.3 GHz, and set to use low power in the BIOS. It uses 79W max and doesn't get above 64C while crunching.

 

[Jacky_BEL]

I have my i7 6700K overclocked to 4.3 GHz, and set to use low power in the BIOS. It uses 79W max and doesn't get above 64C while crunching.

My cheapo OEM motherboards and dito BIOS don't allow for these advanced settings.
I follow the same efficiency philosophy as @phill , most amount of work done with least amount of power.
In that perspective, I try to avoid boost clocks.

 

[debs3759]

If I didn't have solar panels, I'd probably go more for power efficiency as well

Now MS have finally (today) released Windows 11 Insider Preview ISO files that will install on any system, I'm going to let my fah and wcg tasks run to completion (that'll be about 10.5 hours for wcg arp task), then I'm going to upgrade. Will see if both work the same in 11 Not going to risk it on the Z97 build tomorrow though initially. Need to find out whether that board has a Windows activation tied to it, so may have to install home and pro versions of 10. If not, I have several unused Win 7 pro codes, that work for 10 and 11

Only took 45 minutes to upgrade to Windows 11, and 2 reboots (plus a manual reboot to get network working). My first wu is up and running. Will see over the next couple of days if it affects my average ppd.

 

[phill]

In windows, I simply limit the CPU power setting so the CPU doesn't run over 60 degreec C while running WCG.
I just set it in Configuration - Power managment for CPU - maximum processorstatus and set it to 95%.
I guess this prevents the CPU in going to turbo clock speeds and run cooler.
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I run most of my CPUs under stock voltage, so my 3900X's for example I run at 1.10vcore or around 1.05vcore if I use my better one That keeps them about the 50C mark with a not so exciting 280 AIO installed on them

I have my i7 6700K overclocked to 4.3 GHz, and set to use low power in the BIOS. It uses 79W max and doesn't get above 64C while crunching.

Am I right in thinking that the 6700k runs at 4.2GHz at stock speeds?? What sort of vcore do you use for that @debs3759 ?

My cheapo OEM motherboards and dito BIOS don't allow for these advanced settings.
I follow the same efficiency philosophy as @phill , most amount of work done with least amount of power.
In that perspective, I try to avoid boost clocks.

Its not all about the maximum clock speed, it used to be about a slight overclock but now, with how the CPUs are, under volting them is the best way forward I think when I used to run L5640's or the X5675's, I never overclocked them, I just ran them at stock speeds. When running a few of these at once, its surprising how quickly the watts add up....

If I didn't have solar panels, I'd probably go more for power efficiency as well

Now MS have finally (today) released Windows 11 Insider Preview ISO files that will install on any system, I'm going to let my fah and wcg tasks run to completion (that'll be about 10.5 hours for wcg arp task), then I'm going to upgrade. Will see if both work the same in 11 Not going to risk it on the Z97 build tomorrow though initially. Need to find out whether that board has a Windows activation tied to it, so may have to install home and pro versions of 10. If not, I have several unused Win 7 pro codes, that work for 10 and 11

Only took 45 minutes to upgrade to Windows 11, and 2 reboots (plus a manual reboot to get network working). My first wu is up and running. Will see over the next couple of days if it affects my average ppd.

What size array do you have @debs3759 ?? I have a setup myself, it's only a small ish one, 4kW, but it's surprising how quickly even when its running at full capacity, how fast you can chew through 3 to 4kw of electric in an hour... Run a few PCs with FAH and WCG on and away you go... My 3950X and 3090 will suck up a good 500w running them both, then the other rigs as well, your up to 2kW before you know it... Sun goes in for a few hours and you don't notice, that electric meter is nearly on fire flying up with the numbers Scary to think they want to put my electric and gas units and daily charges up again, third possibly fourth time this year.... Unreal.....

 

[debs3759]

I run most of my CPUs under stock voltage, so my 3900X's for example I run at 1.10vcore or around 1.05vcore if I use my better one That keeps them about the 50C mark with a not so exciting 280 AIO installed on them

Am I right in thinking that the 6700k runs at 4.2GHz at stock speeds?? What sort of vcore do you use for that @debs3759 ?

4.2 is the maximum turbo. The only BIOS setting I have touched related to power levels is the setting in my Maximus VIII Hero to reduce the power level. I'm burning through a max of 79W on the CPU (max TDP is 91W). HWMonitor says my vcore is 1.264V

I have 8 solar panels, installed by my landlord, so guessing about 2.4 KW worth. On a sunny day, they provide more wattage than I use. On a cloudy summer day, I pull a little off the grid. On a typical day at this time of year I am spending £2.18 (guessing that'll rise to a bit over £3 when the second PC/GPU is running, and maybe £4 a day in winter)

 

[phill]

4.2 is the maximum turbo. The only BIOS setting I have touched related to power levels is the setting in my Maximus VIII Hero to reduce the power level. I'm burning through a max of 79W on the CPU (max TDP is 91W). HWMonitor says my vcore is 1.264V

I have 8 solar panels, installed by my landlord, so guessing about 2.4 KW worth. On a sunny day, they provide more wattage than I use. On a cloudy summer day, I pull a little off the grid. On a typical day at this time of year I am spending £2.18 (guessing that'll rise to a bit over £3 when the second PC/GPU is running, and maybe £4 a day in winter)

I presumed it might do that all the time but would depend on the cooling I'm sure?

I bought 12 panels for my home back in 2017, it's roughly a 4kW array which can sustain a good amount of power when the sun is there, the inverter that you would have installed would give you a rough idea on how big the array is and what the 8 panels give. I've 305w panels, which equates to 3.6kW but the inverter will give up to 4000w, which I've seen very close to which is about 3940w when the sun has been shining away Definitely helps with the crunching and folding and mining every so often!

Here's a few links of some power tests I did if you where interested

Servers and a few cruncher PCs
Another few crunchers
And the last few ones

Currently I know my 6700k which is just literally an SSD, 16GB, air cooler and a 650w PSU, is pulling about the 115w at the wall for the whole system Compare that to one of my 3900X Ryzens, that pull 140w with a dual AIO cooler, SSD, 32GB, 1080 TI... Power goes up to about 280w when I run FAH on each of those rigs... They are beasts, love the AMD Ryzen setups

 

[debs3759]

A second Strix 1080 Ti OC is on its way to me, so my ppd will be doubling soon More work for both f@h and wcg Still undecided whether to run both GPUs in the one system, as I haven't had the energy to set up the second system yet, but fairly optimistic about sorting that out.

ppd seems slightly higher since upgrading this system to Win 11.

 

[mstenholm]

A second Strix 1080 Ti OC is on its way to me, so my ppd will be doubling soon More work for both f@h and wcg Still undecided whether to run both GPUs in the one system, as I haven't had the energy to set up the second system yet, but fairly optimistic about sorting that out.

ppd seems slightly higher since upgrading this system to Win 11.

You can always start with 2-in-1 and if you find that heat is to much then you know what to do.
The WCG part (OPNG) you don’t need to investigate. You will not have twice the points with two GPUs in one rig, far from, more like 10% more.

 

[debs3759]

You can always start with 2-in-1 and if you find that heat is to much then you know what to do.

That's probably what I'll do at first, but wcg will benefit from a second system, and lose one core if I have both GPUs in the one. I also need to see how much the second card impacts my power consumption, if I keep both cards at full power. At least I'm saving on the heating bill now outside temps are dropping

 

[mstenholm]

That's probably what I'll do at first, but wcg will benefit from a second system, and lose one core if I have both GPUs in the one. I also need to see how much the second card impacts my power consumption, if I keep both cards at full power. At least I'm saving on the heating bill now outside temps are dropping

Don’t you have a meter? Folding on one GPU 450 W, folding of 230 W, add a GPU and vupti 780 W +/- 5 W. OPNG is 20-30 W less per GPU.

Edit: the numbers are made up numbers (but close to my 2070 Super) just to illustrate what to expect. I have found out that my GPUs uses 10% less than TPU review numbers for gaming. Your new GPU is 283 W I just saw. Yes that needs to go down or you have an oven.

 

[debs3759]

The closest thing to a power meter that I have is my smart meter. I have calculated that the card uses about £5.80 a week though. I'm not worried about the heat - opening the window to let excess heat out means more fresh air in. Being housebound means I benefit from being able to do that

 

[mstenholm]

The closest thing to a power meter that I have is my smart meter. I have calculated that the card uses about £5.80 a week though. I'm not worried about the heat - opening the window to let excess heat out means more fresh air in. Being housebound means I benefit from being able to do that

Well it’s just me. I start to reduce load if my motherboard hit 50 degree C. My X58 UD7 is running on its 12 year and that I’m sure has something to do with the fact I didn’t abused it, to much
So when do we see numbers AND photo that supports your “2x1080 Ti in one rig“ claim?

 

[debs3759]

The numbers can be seen here. Won't show stats for two cards until the second card arrives. I'll get round to posting pics soon, I'm too disorganised to sort things out quickly I'll try to post pics when I install the second card.

My CPU is at 64C, which I'm happy with. GPU is at 57C

 

[mstenholm]

The numbers can be seen here. Won't show stats for two cards until the second card arrives. I'll get round to posting pics soon, I'm too disorganised to sort things out quickly I'll try to post pics when I install the second card.

My CPU is at 64C, which I'm happy with. GPU is at 57C

I know how to track your numbers down, I just wanted to see how 500 W looks like in a case

 

[debs3759]

LOL, even with just the one card, I keep the side off the case

Although I am thinking of watercooling, so I can keep the dust out

 

[phill]

LOL, even with just the one card, I keep the side off the case

Although I am thinking of watercooling, so I can keep the dust out

If you go that route, make sure you have shares in air duster cos you'll need it

I was using my pair of 5700XTs and over a month or so, the rad was massively dirty and so was the board... It wasn't a great sight to see!

 

[debs3759]

I have a small, hand held USB powered vacuum, because my bungalow is a dust magnet. Won't be using rads, as I have a chiller that's powerful enough for these two cards and the CPUs. It'll be a while before I can afford the tubes, GPU blocks and a few missing fittings, so I may yet change my mind and save for a Ryzen 9.

 

[phill]

What sort of chiller do you have @debs3759 ?? I've always wished to try one but I've never clicked the button to buy one... I suppose it does get rid of the need to have a rad and fans but it's then just the compressor in the chiller that makes the noise.. I'm not sure I'd like one to run all the time mainly down to the power it'll require but depending on the size of the unit it might not be too bad I guess??

 

[dogwitch]

so i have 3 rx series gpu. i been using on folding.
but atm. for what i pay for them. to performance wise/power usage.
am retiring them and selling them well above what i payed for them.
to cover the cost of a new card. a 2080 or 3090