TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[DR4G00N]

Oooh, popped on the local classifieds today and found an Asus dual socket 604 i875 setup for $20 Comes with cpu's, mobo (ofc), ram, an S3 Virge PCI (I think, picture is not very good) and a PATA Raid card. Board seems to be an Asus PC-DL Deluxe.

Seems pretty interesting so I think I'll get it, sent them an email to get more details.

 

[Trekkie4]

According to Phil's Computer Lab, he claims that the Pentium MMX 233 is kinda rare & very expensive piece of hardware. In fact, he stated in one of his videos how the 233 model is most desirable (and therefore most expensive) model in the Socket 7 fleet which quite surprised me honestly, since I have 3 of these within retro rigs, along with 4th one, that's not being used at the moment. I'm curious, just how rare these things actually are?!

Edit
Here are some useful links, @stinger608 you might want to link these to the first post?

Windows 95 Mass Storage (USB) driver - LINK
3DMark 2000 result browser - LINK
3DMark 2001 result browser - LINK
3DMark 2001SE result browser - LINK

 

[stinger608]

According to Phil's Computer Lab, he claims that the Pentium MMX 233 is kinda rare & very expensive piece of hardware. In fact, he stated in one of his videos how the 233 model is most desirable (and therefore most expensive) model in the Socket 7 fleet which quite surprised me honestly, since I have 3 of these within retro rigs, along with 4th one, that's not being used at the moment. I'm curious, just how rare these things actually are?!

Edit
Here are some useful links, @stinger608 you might want to link these to the first post?

Windows 95 Mass Storage (USB) driver - LINK
3DMark 2000 result browser - LINK
3DMark 2001 result browser - LINK
3DMark 2001SE result browser - LINK

Awesome man!!!!! Linked and added to the original post.

 

[Trekkie4]

Awesome man!!!!! Linked and added to the original post.

Thanks for linking those to the 1st post, but you made a mistake. That "Mass Storage" USB fix wasn't meant for Windows 98, it is strictly for Windows 95, and therefore won't work on W98.

If you want a W98 version, here it is - LINK Feel free to include this one in the 1st post as well

The main difference between W95 and W98 (both 1st edition & 2nd one) are the USB drivers... Since Windows 95 doesn't support USB (whatsoever), you first have to install those, in order for OS to actually recognize the hardware component, and only THEN you can use it with mass storage driver. Since both of them are included in that unofficial patch I posted yesterday, all you have to do is run the installer & wait for it to do its stuff. Where on the other hand, W98 will automatically recognize USB hardware straight out of the box, without the need for any additional patches, but it WON'T work with mass storage devices, which is why you need to apply the patch from the link above. So there, hope it makes more sense now

 

[Disparia]

According to Phil's Computer Lab, he claims that the Pentium MMX 233 is kinda rare & very expensive piece of hardware. In fact, he stated in one of his videos how the 233 model is most desirable (and therefore most expensive) model in the Socket 7 fleet which quite surprised me honestly, since I have 3 of these within retro rigs, along with 4th one, that's not being used at the moment. I'm curious, just how rare these things actually are?!

There might be some rarity to the 233 as it wasn't released with the initial set of Pentium MMX processors. Later when it was released, the prices of all other CPUs dropped quite a bit. I remember this moment because the Pentium MMX 200 became affordable and I bought one! So all other MMX processors had a 6-month head start and they were affordable. There's probably a lot more of them out there vs the 233.

However, I don't think it is impossible to find one today. Sounds like Phil checked eBay once or twice and the prices were high. With some more time and patience, someone looking to build a retro-rig can probably pick up a 233 for a decent price.

Also, at one one part of the video it's mentioned that it's the most desirable Intel chip. Other chip manufacturers produced 266Mhz and 300Mhz CPUs after Intel left the socket game. For those of us that followed Intel and went with the Pentium II, the Pentium MMX is usually the most nostalgic Socket 7 CPU, myself included. For people that held on to Socket 7, they could get upgrades from 3 other companies so that love for Intel may be absent. I have a friend that bought a K6-200 and he has always bought AMD hardware since.

 

[Trekkie4]

Thanks for the info. Yeah, I totally missed this part of hardware evolution, since I went from Intel 4x86 (DX2, 66MHz) directly to Pentium II, 350Mhz with nothing in between. And then I once again skipped a whole "new" generation of Pentiums III & went straight to P4, S423 before I moved on to Athlon64 & (much later on) Core2 Quad which I still use today. So really, it's only safe to say I missed quite a lot from today's perspective.

 

[DR4G00N]

Received this today; Abit BH6 v1.01 with Pentium II Deschutes 333MHz (66MHz FSB).
Looks pretty good just missing one locking latch from the furthest mem slot. Shame it's a v1.01 so no 1/2 AGP divider or higher than 133MHz FSB for this one.



Doesn't detect my 40GB HDD though so I'll have to update the bios. It's still on the release version.

 

[Trekkie4]

Got the same board here, and it never gave me any hard time with the hard drive(s)... Just make sure you got your jumpers set correctly & that BIOS is set to either "auto" or "auto-detect"

 

[biffzinker]

Here's a interesting find on ebay. Seller claims this particular Pentium MMX 266 MHz can overclock to 400 MHz under 2.0V or 350 MHz at default 1.9V. Looks like the mobile version of Tillamook Pentium MMX. Didn't know though they overclocked so high.

 

[Trekkie4]

Here's a interesting find on ebay. Seller claims this particular Pentium MMX 266 MHz can overclock to 400 MHz under 2.0V or 350 MHz at default 1.9V. Looks like the mobile version of Tillamook Pentium MMX. Didn't know though they overclocked so high.

Yeah, riiight! There IS no 266MHz model, Intel never made one. This thing is SL274, which translates to Pentium MMX 200MHz.

 

[biffzinker]

Yeah, riiight! There IS no 266MHz model, Intel never made one. This thing is SL274, which translates to Pentium MMX 200MHz.

That ebay auction is then likely a scam but there is actually a 266/300 MHz Pentium MMX here's a couple Intel ARK pages for both.
http://ark.intel.com/products/49969/Intel-Pentium-Processor-with-MMX-Technology-300-MHz-66-MHz-FSB

http://ark.intel.com/products/49968/Intel-Pentium-Processor-with-MMX-Technology-266-MHz-66-MHz-FSB

Edit: Pulled the ARK pages from this: http://ark.intel.com/products/family/78132/Legacy-Intel-Pentium-Processor

Edit 2: Sorry about that @Trekkie4 wasn't trying to prove you wrong.

 

[Trekkie4]

That ebay auction is then likely a scam but there is actually a 266/300 MHz Pentium MMX here's a couple Intel ARK pages for both.
http://ark.intel.com/products/49969/Intel-Pentium-Processor-with-MMX-Technology-300-MHz-66-MHz-FSB

http://ark.intel.com/products/49968/Intel-Pentium-Processor-with-MMX-Technology-266-MHz-66-MHz-FSB

Edit: Pulled the ARK pages from this: http://ark.intel.com/products/family/78132/Legacy-Intel-Pentium-Processor

AFAIK, Pentium MMX 233 was the highest (and fastest) product available from Intel. After that, Intel changed the platform to slot-1 & Pentium 2. However, with that being said, I'm seeing multiple references to previously mentioned Pentium MMX 300, but only as engineering samples & (from what I understand) highly rare collectibles.

So really, not sure what to think, but it looks more like some sort of experimental leftovers, kinda like mythical Voodoo6 (technically, Voodoo5 model 6000)

Edit
Ah, nevermind. Got it! This here was the mobile chip, it was never featured as standard S7 model, but physically looks pretty much the same, so I can understand the confusion. So therefore I was right, the is no 266 or 300 model, except for maybe engineering samples. Consumer ones were only up to 233max, before they switched to slots.

 

[biffzinker]

OEM laptops back in 1998? I know had them.

Tillamook appears as 266 MHz Pentium MMX
Jan 11, 1998 Paul Thurrott

Intel's "Tillamook" microprocessor--a Pentium MMX chip for laptops running at 266 MHz--will appear in devices from Dell, Gateway, Digital, Compaq, and others this Spring. Currently, the fastest Intel laptop features a 233 MHz Pentium MMX processor. The Tillamook chips represent the end of the line for the venerable Pentium line. Later this year, Intel will announce the Pentium II processor for notebooks, which will offer the same processor used in the highest-end desktop systems today.
http://windowsitpro.com/windows-server/tillamook-appears-266-mhz-pentium-mmx

Also this from CPU-World: http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SL2Z4.html

 

[Mr.Scott]

Received this today; Abit BH6 v1.01 with Pentium II Deschutes 333MHz (66MHz FSB).
Looks pretty good just missing one locking latch from the furthest mem slot. Shame it's a v1.01 so no 1/2 AGP divider or higher than 133MHz FSB for this one.

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Doesn't detect my 40GB HDD though so I'll have to update the bios. It's still on the release version.

Update the bios. That board is as full featured as they come. It's an excellent clocker.

 

[dorsetknob]

Ati Rage 128 AGP1-2

 

[Trekkie4]

OEM laptops back in 1998? I know had them.


Also this from CPU-World: http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SL2Z4.html

Wow, this is weird... So, according to this, the 266 model does exist after all, but for some reason Intel left it out (or simply forgot about it)?! Unless it's engineering sample just like FV80503266?

Nice one @dorsetknob is it 16 or 32mb model? Judging by the heatsink, it seems to be newer model, so I'm leaning towards 32. I tried to email you with this particular issue, but kept getting "undeliverable mailer daemon" instead

 

[dorsetknob]

here in England
pentium was sold as S7 P60 to 266Mhz overlapping the P2 (Slot 1)which started at 233Mhz

 

[Trekkie4]

here in England
pentium was sold as S7 P60 to 266Mhz overlapping the P2 (Slot 1)which started at 233Mhz

Right, they usually overlap one model... Like for example, Pentium II 450 MHz, which also appeared as Pentium III 450, etc. But I never heard of two models overlapping before, doesn't make much sense from the corporate point of view.

 

[dorsetknob]

Probably current Stock Sold concurently ( At the time in local dealers )with the new model/part superceeding it as old stock sold out

I liked the P11 300Mhz i had one and i bought it because it would overclock to 550Mhz easy and with additional fans 2 one each side of the OEM fan would clock to 650Mhz

 

[Trekkie4]

It would be interesting to see a benchmark results of both Pentium MMX 266 and Pentium 2 233 (to give the older platform some advantage) & see which one would score better...

 

[dorsetknob]

Have a pair of P2 233Mhz Cpu's ( from a P2 Server ) and a pair of P2 266Mhz also from a server but no P1 Cpu's

 

[biffzinker]

Right, they usually overlap one model... Like for example, Pentium II 450 MHz, which also appeared as Pentium III 450, etc. But I never heard of two models overlapping before, doesn't make much sense from the corporate point of view.

I believe Intel was using the Pentium MMX die as test to work out the kinks for their next nm process shrink, same as with the Pentium III-S 1.2-1.4 GHz hence the overlap.

 

[dorsetknob]

. I tried to email you with this particular issue, but kept getting "undeliverable mailer daemon" instead

Look at the pic it says
dorsetknob@TPU
" not an Email Address"
Cannot remember the Vram size

 

[Trekkie4]

Have a pair of P2 233Mhz Cpu's ( from a P2 Server ) and a pair of P2 266Mhz also from a server but no P1 Cpu's

Me either, my fastest MMX chip(s) are 233, got 3 of those in running condition along with the 4th one, that's currently inside the box along with (never tested) PII 266, but all other PII cartridges are 350MHz. Got 5 or 6 of those, not sure.

I believe Intel was using the Pentium MMX die as test to work out the kinks for their next nm process shrink, same as with the Pentium III-S 1.2-1.4 GHz hence the overlap.

I suppose so...

 

[hckngrtfakt]

Sooo who is going to show me the secret handshake? Must be near 15 years since I stupidly sold my last one.

Just had a score of junked agp cards and this was in it, think there is a Voodoo 3 3000 in there too

I just recently booted up my old compaq system (although in a new case)
with one of these 3dfx gems.

Will take pics of the other components and share