TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Retrorockit]

I wonder how it compares to the current Atom, or Raspberry Pi "CPUs"?

 

[lexluthermiester]

I wonder how it compares to the current Atom, or Raspberry Pi "CPUs"?

That's a very interesting thought!

 

[Retrorockit]

Maybe a benchmark that scores in how many Razz it deserves.

 

[Susquehannock]

I see and increasing amount of contents regarding new OS/Games running on old hardware which all have the same (and easily predictable) outcome.
Personally I don't like them and also don't understand the fun, but I guess for some audience they are interesting, maybe for nowadays teenagers?

I'm curious about others opinion here, what do you think?

Was thinking about this very thing myself a while back. Does not appeal to me but could see how some would be interested. To me nostalgia is running the very same old hardware and software that I've owned since they were new. Sure I could buy the games on Steam again and run in Win10. What fun is that? And why should I have to?

Speaking of ... Half Life 2. Would love to run it on my newly built A64 3850 AGP system but it requires Steam which does not support WinXP anymore. Only found that out *after* installing all six CDs. Remember thinking to myself back in 2004 how screwy it was needing to run an online app just to play. Hoped it did not become a trend. Fast forward to now we don't even get physical copies of games and have to deal with a myriad of launchers.

So my question is ... there a way to hack HL2 at install to eliminate Steam altogether?

 

[Splinterdog]

Was thinking about this very thing myself a while back. Does not appeal to me but could see how some would be interested. To me nostalgia is running the very same old hardware and software that I've owned since they were new. Sure I could buy the games on Steam again and run in Win10. What fun is that? And why should I have to?

Speaking of ... Half Life 2. Would love to run it on my newly built A64 3850 AGP system but it requires Steam which does not support WinXP anymore. Only found that out *after* installing all six CDs. Remember thinking to myself back in 2004 how screwy it was needing to run an online app just to play. Hoped it did not become a trend. Fast forward to now we don't even get physical copies of games and have to deal with a myriad of launchers. So my question is ... there a way to hack HL2 at install to eliminate Steam?

Found this at Vogons. Worth a try?

How to install and run vanilla Half-Life 2 without Steam \ VOGONS

www.vogons.org

 

[framebuffer]

I did not tried myself but HL2 should be one of those games that can run simply copying the game folder from a PC where you have installed it with steam to another one where you don't have steam/internet

Here is a steam DRM-free list of games and some more info: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_Big_List_of_DRM-Free_Games_on_Steam

 

[lexluthermiester]

Speaking of ... Half Life 2. Would love to run it on my newly built A64 3850 AGP system but it requires Steam which does not support WinXP anymore.

Half Life 2 and its expansions are all DRM free on Steam. Download them on a PC that runs Steam, then find & copy the game folder over to the XP PC and run the EXE directly. You'll be fine!

 

[Apocalypsee]

Thats interesting, I never know that some games on Steam are DRM free. Thought they put something on DRM free games so it will require Steam to run them. Guess I was wrong.

 

[Susquehannock]

Thank you thank you. Do have HL2 and several expansions on a Win10 machine and will try it later. In mean time back to fighting Strogg in Quake2 on the Win98 machine.

mobo - Abit kr7a
gpu - voodoo4
cpu - Palomino 1900+
hdd - IBM deskstar 40gb
ram - 1x512mb DDR TwinMOS pc3200 w/bh5
os - Win98se unofficial sp3
psu - Fortron fsp 300w
optical - Plextor px-w4824ta
sound - Creative sound blaster live CT4830
speakers - Creative Inspire 2.1 2500
monitor - Dell 1905fp
cooler - CoolerMaster X Dream 2
cables - messy
fun - yes

 

[QuietBob]

More CPU benchmarks from an older version of AIDA:

I am surprised at that boot time, it's much faster than I expected.

Yeah, me too. I'm quite surprised with how well this system copes in general, given its age and purposely weak components. I was expecting something utterly sluggish and unusable. Yet, this config is somewhat serviceable. It doesn't feel responsive, but other than longish load times it seems fairly functional. MS own Edge takes 69" to start to a blank page. It's slow as molasses and often freezes when loading a site. But Waterfox starts in 47" and feels adequate in basic web browsing. YT, however, is a no-go, maxing out the CPU even at 144p

A Pentium 4 matched up with 16GB DDR3 RAM and an RX580 8GB running Windows 10?

Two-threaded CPU at 3.2 GHz, with dual channel memory and an SSD??? Too rich for my blood

I still remember moving from s478 Pentium 4 2GHz Northwood core that's being overclocked to 3GHz to bottom-of-barrel Sempron 2500+ Palermo core s754 with measly 1.4GHz clock and beats it in EVERYTHING;

Wow, that Sempron is exactly the same as the one I'm testing now Hoping to pit it against the slowest Celeron D at 2.53 GHz.

In mean time back to fighting Strogg in Quake2 on the Win98 machine.

I spy quad damage boosted by an unorthodox quad speaker setup!

 

[Susquehannock]

I spy quad damage boosted by an unorthodox quad speaker setup!

To be honest the beige speakers are not hooked up right now and acting as speaker stands for a bit of nostagilia. They sound rather tinny compared to the black Creatives. Adds some nice depth to that double shot gun in Quake 2 with the sub-woofer at my feet.

 

[Splinterdog]

My PC (FX8320) six years ago and I remember how chuffed I was at getting an HD7950 and remarking on how big it was, but before I got my hands on my first SSD.

 

[erek]

My PC (FX8320) six years ago and I remember how chuffed I was at getting an HD7950 and remarking on how big it was, but before I got my hands on my first SSD.
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[QuietBob]

GeForce 6800 LE 128MB

You won't beat my 6100, nyah-nyah!

For anyone able to run 3D Mark 99 Max, is there a setting or a few tweaks to get it running??

I used 98/ME compatibility mode, but this was on 7. Would have to get my XP build from the closet to check it.

 

[phill]

For anyone able to run 3D Mark 99 Max, is there a setting or a few tweaks to get it running?? I've tried it in Windows XP and it's not working for some reason, but I've no idea... Tried compatibility mode but it just loads the process and then stop... Doesn't work at all....

Anyone have any ideas?

 

[Apocalypsee]

For anyone able to run 3D Mark 99 Max, is there a setting or a few tweaks to get it running?? I've tried it in Windows XP and it's not working for some reason, but I've no idea... Tried compatibility mode but it just loads the process and then stop... Doesn't work at all....

Anyone have any ideas?

Nope, can't seem to run 3DMark99 Max on my XP build either. If anyone able to I would like to know as well.

 

[Bungz]

The steam thing is absolute BS., found out about that a few weeks ago.
I found a redistributed pack of them all, as I had all the bloody original disks on my desk didn't feel like I was doing anything wrong!

On a mad onion note I have all the results browsers for 99 2001 and 2001se, maybe a good set to up load and stick on the front page if anyone uses them? Futuremark do not host them.

 

[Susquehannock]

3D Mark 99 Max. Been a very long time. Seem to remember a patch to help run on XP? Just downloaded and ran some benches on the system listed above. Armageddon segments in the Demo mode. Nostalgia to the Max (pun intended).

 

[Jetster]

Ill try it

 

[phill]

It must be down to Voodoo....

I see it's being run on Windows 7 64 and XP so I'd love to know what I need to do to get it running After all this is a nostalgic hardware thread we must have the benchmarks to run with it!!

 

[biffzinker]

It must be down to Voodoo....

The only Voodoo I know of is 3DFX.

There's this thread over at vogons.

3D Mark 99 Max & 2001 SE Startup Hang Patch \ VOGONS

www.vogons.org

 

[Mr.Scott]

For anyone able to run 3D Mark 99 Max, is there a setting or a few tweaks to get it running?? I've tried it in Windows XP and it's not working for some reason, but I've no idea... Tried compatibility mode but it just loads the process and then stop... Doesn't work at all....

Anyone have any ideas?

I'll link you to my OneDrive. 3D99 with fix is there. Extract the file and then move the DDRAW.dll to the main folder.

3DMark99max_fix.zip

Compressed (zipped) Folder

1drv.ms

 

[debs3759]

I'll link you to my OneDrive. 3D99 with fix is there. Extract the file and then move the DDRAW.dll to the main folder.

3DMark99max_fix.zip

Compressed (zipped) Folder

1drv.ms

Is that needed for all XP and later Windows installs?

 

[Mr.Scott]

At least XP. I never run 3D99 on a newer OS than that.

 

[debs3759]

Thanks. Have added the fix to my 3DMark toolkit.