TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Susquehannock]

Mad Onion ... watched again on the 43" Panasonic plasma business monitor. In full screen of course. The one you posted was awesome Lex. All back to back like that.

 

[The Foldinator]

Mad Onion ... watched again on the 43" Panasonic plasma business monitor. In full screen of course. The one you posted was awesome Lex. All back to back like that.


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Old MadOnion(futuremark) member here

 

[Susquehannock]

Here are some 99max benchmarks on the system listed in post #10,534 running Win98. Any other settings you want to see let me know.

7260 = 640x480, 16 bit color, 16-bit Z buffer, double frame buffer

7107 = 800x600, 16, 16, triple

4528 = 800x600, 32, 16, triple

5219 = 1024x768, 16, 16, triple

2992 = 1024x768, 32, 16, triple

3021 = 1280x1024, 16, 16, triple

1696 = 1280x1024, 32, 24, triple

 

[biffzinker]

A new Pixel Pipes video was posted yesterday.

 

[Ruru]

A new Pixel Pipes video was posted yesterday.

When there's already a 6800 GT on the thumbnail, you know he's got some good treasure.

 

[QuietBob]

Here are some 99max benchmarks

Thanks for those! Could you re-run it at default settings and post the subscores for every test? You need to go to Result Browser and then Details (second tab) to see them. I was thinking what other 3D benchmarks to try, but the ones I know of require DX7+ hardware. Your Voodoo seems to support DX6 only.
Ideas anyone?
Oh, and a Happy New Year!

 

[micropage7]

ni

Mad Onion ... watched again on the 43" Panasonic plasma business monitor. In full screen of course. The one you posted was awesome Lex. All back to back like that.


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nice but what resolution that it runs?

 

[Trekkie4]

Win98 .... hooray for SE and addition of the back button. Was pretty sweet.

Then this happened. Noticed we skipped right over it. Better or worse than Vista?

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I would have to say neither. Flaky hardware was more likely to blame. I did a in place upgrade from 98 to Me without any trouble.

None taken.

Oh of course. My point was that most games from the 9X era will run fine on XP. There are some that do not, that's to be expected, but compatibility factors for 9X software on XP was a huge concern for Microsoft BITD and they delivered.

Hey now... WinME, when properly configured, ran great and was easily more stable than 95 or 98. Problem was, it needed to be properly config'd as the OOB default experience was less than optimal.

Still have my copy of ME and I also agree, it wasn't that bad of an OS.
I too ran it for a few years, only switching to XP once things forced my hand to doing it.

What everyone said above, I absolutely agree. There was nothing wrong with Millennium IMHO, and it was the first OS to introduce some of the modern features, which we take for granted nowdays. Could it had been better? I guess so, but again - definitely not the worst. That "award" would probably go to Windows 8, at least IMHO.

That's mighty generous of you Good to see those oldtimers will still receive some TLC.

Thank you. And yes, exactly ... that was the idea. I honestly lost interest in old hardware since all the tragedies & scary experiences happened. Heck, we just had two more destructive (and devastating) earthquakes the other day. Not in my city, but 50 kilometers, 31 miles away from here. We got hit pretty nasty, but apart from re-living the same fears & terror from back in March, no damage or casualties. Which cannot be said for the epicenter, many people lost their lives & most of them houses, cars & ALL their personal belongings.

I still want to finish that Adison project though, and will get back to it eventually, when I have the money, patience & nerves to finish it off. And besides - I also got several other toys left around, which I won't be giving away or selling. 486 for example, loaded with MS-DOS 6.22 & Win 3.11, Pentium MMX 233 loaded with Win95 (and Voodoo 1) along with couple of Voodoo2 systems (mainly Adison ones), and one single P3 Voodoo3 3000 system. TBH, what more would or could I need, I had over 40-something systems at one point, all stacked up in my room

 

[Susquehannock]

ni

nice but what resolution that it runs?

>This panasonic. 1080p native. My bad. 42 inch. Moved it's 65 inch big brother into that spot last night. Took two of us to carry the 150-lb behemoth up a flight of stairs. Got both along with several Dell workstations free when a friend's company upgraded a few years ago. Was all destined for the recycler. Would imagine those guys make a killing off that stuff.

 

[lexluthermiester]

definitely not the worst. That "award" would probably go to Windows 8, at least IMHO.

Can not agree more with this. Windows 8 is easily and by far Microsoft's worst OS version. IMHO, it is closely followed by Win10. I would really rather use Vista SP2 than 10 any day, everyday.

EDIT:
I'm going to requalify this statement by saying that Windows 8.1 with a number of important modifications can be made to run well and in an acceptable fashion. But a bog standard Windows 8 install is complete hot garbage.

 

[micropage7]

just found this one, it's been years i build without using it

 

[Jetster]

Beep beep burwapp

 

[Ruru]

>This panasonic. 1080p native. My bad. 42 inch. Moved it's 65 inch big brother into that spot last night. Took two of us to carry the 150-lb behemoth up a flight of stairs. Got both along with several Dell workstations free when a friend's company upgraded a few years ago. Was all destined for the recycler. Would imagine those guys make a killing off that stuff.

I had a 59" Samsung 1080p plasma but my mom wanted it so bad that we traded televisions I have now her old 40" and it's okay as my apartment is hella small. I broke its stand drunk and I had to get a wall mount for it.

 

[QuietBob]

Have you seen my ex?

Spoiler: X-rated images

Why you filthy little...

 

[agent_x007]

I got some free time, so I decided to buy and test these "little ones" :

From top left to right :
GT 710 2GB GDDR5 (GK208B [192CC]) || GT 520 1GB DDR3 (GF119 [48CC])
8400 GS 512MB DDR3 (GT218 [8SP]) || GT 210 1GB DDR3 (GT218 [16SP])

GPGPU AIDA :

I added GTX 750 v2 as slowest Maxwell 2.0 card (other ones are all 2.0 versions of base architectures, so it's fair - isn't it ?)

Fillrate benchmark :

3DMark 03 : LINK,
3DMark 06 : LINK,
3DMark Vantage (P-Score) : LINK,
3DMark Cloud Gate : LINK,

(DirectX 11 only)
3DMark 11 (P-score) : LINK,
3DMark Sky Diver : LINK.

I must say, GT 710 can be considered fast when compared with those DDR3 cards, but holy s*** is it slow vs. GTX 750 v2 (Sky Diver/Vantage).
Also, that 8400 GS only has 8 SPs with 4 TMUs overall (GPUz is... optimistic in how it sees it).

Also also - I tested Crysis Low preset at Full HD :

 

[lexluthermiester]

8400 GS 512MB DDR3 (GT218 [8SP])

I noticed GPUZ calling that a fake. What's the deal with there? Did you get it that way?

 

[Valantar]

I noticed GPUZ calling that a fake. What's the deal with there? Did you get it that way?

Interesting. Just noticed that the 8400GS, GT 210 and the GT 520 seem to have identical PCBs too, which seems kind of odd given their launch dates and different chips.

 

[Apocalypsee]

Interesting. Just noticed that the 8400GS, GT 210 and the GT 520 seem to have identical PCBs too, which seems kind of odd given their launch dates and different chips.

Perhaps nvidia made those low end chip the same (same dimension, number of pins, or BGA grid, and same pinouts) so its interchangeable between PCB

 

[agent_x007]

I noticed GPUZ calling that a fake. What's the deal with there? Did you get it that way?

It's not fake (you can see "8400 GS 32-bit" on sticker).
It simply uses cut down die of GT218 with GT 210 vBIOS, I think GPU-z detects it as 16SP version and says "it's fake" because it has 8SP actually active.

@Valantar Yup, they do use the same PCB.
Weirdly, GT 520 and 8400 GS even share the same VRAM chips while GT 210 is oddball with Samsung 1600MHz ones. Also, GT 210 has UEFI support.

8400 GS :

GT 210 :

GT 520 :

GT 710 :

 

[Susquehannock]

Thanks for those! Could you re-run it at default settings and post the subscores for every test? You need to go to Result Browser and then Details (second tab) to see them. I was thinking what other 3D benchmarks to try, but the ones I know of require DX7+ hardware. Your Voodoo seems to support DX6 only.
Ideas anyone?
Oh, and a Happy New Year!

Not sure the relevance or backward compatibility. This system is currently running DX v8.0 which I believe came with the unofficial Win98 Service pack 3.

Here is the 99max default subscores (800x600, 16, 16, triple) along with 3dmark 2000. WinTune, Sandra, and Ziff Davis bench for good measure. 3dmark 2001 kicks out a DX v8.1 required error at install.

[edit] Opps. Seems I dropped the 3dmark2000 shot. Ran another few minutes ago. Default settings - 1024x768, 16, 16.

 

[QuietBob]

Not sure the relevance or backward compatibility. This system is currently running DX v8.0 which I believe came with the unofficial Win98 Service pack 3.

Here is the 99max default subscores (800x600, 16, 16, triple) along with 3dmark 2000. WinTune, Sandra, and Ziff Davis bench for good measure. 3dmark 2001 kicks out a DX v8.1 required error at install.

Thanks for these, much appreciated! I'll be comparing them to my results. I'm trying to gauge that GF6100 against mainstream GPUs. There are hardly any tests to be found online, which is not that surprising. This IGP served as a display adapter in office/budget PCs, and as such was never really used for gaming. Any tests on similar hardware are really helpful to me
I'm honestly surprised you managed to run 3DMark2000. I was sure it required DX7 hardware, but it seems it just needs the software package. If so, you could try installing DX9.0c and then you should be able to run a wider range of benchmarks.
Other than 3DMark I'd suggest Aquamark 2 and 3, DroneZmarK, Codecreatures and the X series.

EDIT: Which version of WinTune and Sandra did you use?

 

[agent_x007]

I will add screenshots of comparisons for 3DMarks seperatly, since Futuremark/UL don't like my GTX 750 "GM206" card

3DMark 03 :

3DMark 06 :

3DMark Vatange (P-Score) :

3DMark 11 (P-Score) :

Cloud Gate :

Sky Diver :

 

[Susquehannock]

Thanks for these, much appreciated! I'll be comparing them to my results. I'm trying to gauge that GF6100 against mainstream GPUs. There are hardly any tests to be found online, which is not that surprising. This IGP served as a display adapter in office/budget PCs, and as such was never really used for gaming. Any tests on similar hardware are really helpful to me
I'm honestly surprised you managed to run 3DMark2000. I was sure it required DX7 hardware, but it seems it just needs the software package. If so, you could try installing DX9.0c and then you should be able to run a wider range of benchmarks.
Other than 3DMark I'd suggest Aquamark 2 and 3, DroneZmarK, Codecreatures and the X series.

EDIT: Which version of WinTune and Sandra did you use?

Sandra = v 2001.0.7.10 ..... WinTune = v 1.0.42. Downloading the ones you suggested now.

Kind of fun running all these benchmarks. Many of which I have never seen before. Very leery of installing DX 9.0c on this system since it borked near all my old arcade style games. One of the times I really wished Win98 had system restore. That was back in january 2017 when I pulled this voodoo 4 out of storage along with a lot of other hardware where they sat since 2002. After a couple weeks all went back into storage, until recently. Near sent all to the trash couple times.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Very leery of installing DX 9.0c on this system since it borked near all my old arcade style games.

How? The DX9c libraries are just that, a library of code used when needed. They do not get used until called for.

 

[biffzinker]

How much clockspeed is required on a 486DX for mp3 playback?