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[Greenslade]

Heck yeah! That's a good price! Snatch it up!

Can you answer this i see that a lot id sellers are selling
2HD floppy disks Diskettes 1.44Mb does that mean you can record something on both sides is that right?
The ones the seller is selling are not.What i am asking is if i got 10 of the 2HD ones for the same price that would be better than buying the 20 shown which can only record one side?
And i see some are formated for Dos ,IBM can they br used with Windows or if i decided to buy the C64 Maxi?
All so i see that Floppy s can get damaged easy and prone to dust.

 

[Keullo-e]

I should delid my PS3 as it sounds like a jet engine even after repasting and cleaning, and even when just watching a movie.

Can you answer this i see that a lot id sellers are selling
2HD floppy disks Diskettes 1.44Mb does that mean you can record something on both sides is that right?
The ones the seller is selling are not.What i am asking is if i got 10 of the 2HD ones for the same price that would be better than buying the 20 shown which can only record one side?

The both sides of a diskette are counted in that 1.44MB.

 

[Greenslade]

I should delid my PS3 as it sounds like a jet engine even after repasting and cleaning, and even when just watching a movie.


The both sides of a diskette are counted in that 1.44MB.

So you would only get half that if it was just HD like the 20 pack one i put on here? But the ones i put on here say New Sealed Pack of 20 Floppy Disks 1.44MB.? Pre-formatted High Density, they don,t mention about 2HD?

 

[Dinnercore]

What's CPU clock skew? I've left that always on auto when OC'ing 775 hardware.

First you need to know what the signals typically look like.

Your signals travel along the traces and have to arrive at very specific timings. You want to skew your signal (offset it at the timebase) so that ideally the center of the eye aligns perfectly with the timing that the receiving part expects. E.G. your MCH receives a DDR signal but reads it not in the center of the eye but more towards a crossing point. Now when signal quality gets worse (the eye gets smaller and more jitter appears) you can suddenly read a 0 where it was supposed to be a 1. Worst case the signal is completly out of alignment and you can not get a single correct bit (thats definitly a no post scenario).
This happens all the time when running out of spec and you eat away at the error margins in place. Such a 'shifted' clock on the time base can be corrected with a skew setting, so you delay or advance when your part expects or sends a signal by X amount of time. The timeframe for the clock skews on our PC hardware for the clocks we work with is usually ps (Picoseconds).

For example I gave my CPU signal a 100ps advance which helped it stabilize above 550 FSB. You can really go nuts on OC settings on the high end boards if you want to dive deep. Adjust skews and subtimings for each DIMM individually e.g.. But its a double edged sword, just because you spend 4 hours stabilizing your 550 FSB does not mean that these settings are good for 560. In fact they can actually do more harm on 560 then auto so you have to try them all over again.

This is the problem with us mortals, we can't run our hardware hooked up to million dollar lab equipment and actually see what we are doing to each individual signal. That would be a dream come true for me but all I can do is take steps in the dark.

 

[Keullo-e]

So you would only get half that if it was just HD like the 20 pack one i put on here? But the ones i put on here say New Sealed Pack of 20 Floppy Disks 1.44MB.? Pre-formatted High Density, they don,t mention about 2HD?
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DD (double density) disks are 720kB, the typical HD (high density) disks are 1.44MB. There was also 2.88MB disks in the 90s but those were pretty uncommon, and mostly IBM PS/2 systems used those.

First you need to know what the signals typically look like.

Your signals travel along the traces and have to arrive at very specific timings. You want to skew your signal (offset it at the timebase) so that ideally the center of the eye aligns perfectly with the timing that the receiving part expects. E.G. your MCH receives a DDR signal but reads it not in the center of the eye but more towards a crossing point. Now when signal quality gets worse (the eye gets smaller and more jitter appears) you can suddenly read a 0 where it was supposed to be a 1. Worst case the signal is completly out of alignment and you can not get a single correct bit (thats definitly a no post scenario).
This happens all the time when running out of spec and you eat away at the error margins in place. Such a 'shifted' clock on the time base can be corrected with a skew setting, so you delay or advance when your part expects or sends a signal by X amount of time. The timeframe for the clock skews on our PC hardware for the clocks we work with is usually ps (Picoseconds).

For example I gave my CPU signal a 100ps advance which helped it stabilize above 550 FSB. You can really go nuts on OC settings on the high end boards if you want to dive deep. Adjust skews and subtimings for each DIMM individually e.g.. But its a double edged sword, just because you spend 4 hours stabilizing your 550 FSB does not mean that these settings are good for 560. In fact they can actually do more harm on 560 then auto so you have to try them all over again.

This is the problem with us mortals, we can't run our hardware hooked up to million dollar lab equipment and actually see what we are doing to each individual signal. That would be a dream come true for me but all I can do is take steps in the dark.

Okay.. I need to try different settings when I'll have some fun once again with my P5Q Pro.

 

[Greenslade]

DD (double density) disks are 720kB, the typical HD (high density) disks are 1.44MB. There was also 2.88MB disks in the 90s but those were pretty uncommon, and mostly IBM PS/2 systems used those.


Okay.. I need to try different settings when I'll have some fun once again with my P5Q Pro.

Thanks for that I have not seen the DD (double density) disks are 720kB are they 3.5?Here is a very intresting
video on fixing Floppy dics and the drve,it seems they need a lot of looking after.
Can you write on the discs more than once?

Thanks again.

 

[Keullo-e]

Thanks for that I have not seen the DD (double density) disks are 720kB are they 3.5?Hrtrs a very intresting
video on fixing Floopy dttcs and the drve,ot seems they need a lot of looking after.Can you write on the discs more than once?

Yeah, DD (720kB) disks were the first to come as 3.5" format in the 80s.

And yeah, floppies are rewritable.

 

[phill]

DD (double density) disks are 720kB, the typical HD (high density) disks are 1.44MB. There was also 2.88MB disks in the 90s but those were pretty uncommon, and mostly IBM PS/2 systems used those.


Okay.. I need to try different settings when I'll have some fun once again with my P5Q Pro.

Can easily tell the difference if they are HD (High Density) or not, as they will have a tab on both sides of the disk
The Amiga uses a different file system so it will allow more space on the disk compared to Windows/DOS formatting. 880kb and 1.76MB I believe for the Amiga

 

[Voodoo Rufus]

Finally decommissioned my 2600K rig recently. Motherboard ran a full VRM and chipset water block setup most of its life. Still runs strong but just really shows it's slowness on general usage. Might hang it on the wall in a place of honor.

 

[Keullo-e]

Let's download the newest NimeZ modified drivers for 7970. Hella cool that someone keeps the older GCN cards alive, as the card still has some horsepower even 10 years later.

BTW: fellow 7970/280X users, how's your FS/TS scores?

FS: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/27457455
TS: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/27142572

Would be interesting to try this with my main rig. Though the card takes 3 slots and my PCIe SATA controller is next to my 2-slot 1080 Ti..

 

[stinger608]

NimeZ modified drivers for 7970

Have you got a link bro?

I'm not seeing them online.

I've still got a couple of them cards in a system. LOL

 

[Keullo-e]

Have you got a link bro?

I'm not seeing them online.

I've still got a couple of them cards in a system. LOL

Here u go

Radeon-ID Community Driver: Hybrid - Release Nebula 23.11.1 WHQL

[IMG] AMD Radeon | RdN.ID Community Driver Distribution Your Source for Multi-Kernel Driver Preset [ATTACH] Driver Catalog Compiled Under Windows &...

forums.guru3d.com

 

[stinger608]

Here u go

Radeon-ID Community Driver: Hybrid - Release Nebula 23.11.1 WHQL

[IMG] AMD Radeon | RdN.ID Community Driver Distribution Your Source for Multi-Kernel Driver Preset [ATTACH] Driver Catalog Compiled Under Windows &...

forums.guru3d.com

For sure going to give these a shot!!!!!!! Thanks.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Can you answer this i see that a lot id sellers are selling
2HD floppy disks Diskettes 1.44Mb does that mean you can record something on both sides is that right?

Looks like everyone got you good answers. And just to confirm what everyone else said, 1.44MB floppies are all 2HD disks. Depending on how they are formatted, they can be resized to 1.6MB, 1.76MB and even 1.81MB, though that's the biggest I've ever used and maintained stability. BITD, formatting floppies 1.6MB and 1.8MB was a godsend. Required a special utility and floppy drive support, but it worked like a charm.

 

[Keullo-e]

For sure going to give these a shot!!!!!!! Thanks.

No problem bro, I was like wow when I saw Tech Yes City's video about these and immediately installed those on my 2nd PC, nothing special about performance but having modern drivers is always cool.

Even though I don't use Fermi/Kepler GPUs myself, it would be cool if there would be modified drivers for those as well. Though IIRC Nvidia's drivers are harder to modify? Remember when there was also Omega drivers for Nvidia? I used those for Radeon 9800 SE though back in the day, never used the Nvidia ones.

edit: Just DDU your official drivers and the NimeZ drivers should work okay. At least that's how they worked for me.

 

[stinger608]

Oh yeah, I used a bunch of the Omega drives years ago! Golly, I had totally forgot about them

 

[Keullo-e]

Oh yeah, I used a bunch of the Omega drives years ago! Golly, I had totally forgot about them

9800 SE with the pipes unlocked and XT clocks... those were the days.

I had also a R360 9800 Pro with 128MB XT bios flashed.

edit: though there was a patched file which unlocked the cards without using Omega drivers, I used that method too.

 

[QuietBob]

BTW: fellow 7970/280X users, how's your FS/TS scores?

There ya go

 

[Keullo-e]

There ya go

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Damn, you have some CPU IPC advantage which are your card's clocks?

edit: those on your system specs?

 

[QuietBob]

Damn, you have some CPU IPC advantage which are your card's clocks?

edit: those on your system specs?

Yep, 1135/1750. 100% glitch free in a huge number of games. I could push these clocks a little higher, but I prefer stability over benchmark scores

 

[Keullo-e]

Yep, 1135/1750. 100% glitch free in a huge number of games. I could push these clocks a little higher, but I prefer stability over benchmark scores

I'm jealous of your memory OC, if mine would clock as high, I would use Matrix Platinum bios (I had it but my VRAM gives errors* after gaming for a while). So 1575 is safe and stable, probably 1600 could work tho. But 1200/1575 are stable 24/7 clocks.

edit: *artifacts and HWInfo gives errors on the VRAM. Works fine for a while but after the card heats up, it starts artifacting.

 

[Greenslade]

Looks like everyone got you good answers. And just to confirm what everyone else said, 1.44MB floppies are all 2HD disks. Depending on how they are formatted, they can be resized to 1.6MB, 1.76MB and even 1.81MB, though that's the biggest I've ever used and maintained stability. BITD, formatting floppies 1.6MB and 1.8MB was a godsend. Required a special utility and floppy drive support, but it worked like a charm.

Thanks for that Lex. I have just seen a better deal on eBay for the same price but unopened but a better make Verbatim DataLife MF 2HD 3.5” Microdisks Floppy Disks 1.44MB 20 Pack BRAND NEW but he has a picture of a 10 pack on there.I just sent the seller a message asking if it is 20 for that price.It seems very cheap for a good brand like that.13 pounds make an offer. I will take. it at that price.
The seller got back to me this is his reply
* Hi, thanks for picking up on this error. The item being sold is a 10 pack.*
I thought it was to good to be true.It just goes to show you to check before you buy.I will have to buy that pack of 20 .i put on here earler .I will make a offer as thry have been opened.Thry are 8,99 and 3.20 postage.I will offer 7 50 i doubt if he will acept that.

 

[Keullo-e]

It's actually funny that floppies are being so obsolete that you actually need to hunt for those from second-hand market... and I'm not that old, 32 next month.

 

[Greenslade]

It's actually funny that floppies are being so obsolete that you actually need to hunt for those from second-hand market... and I'm not that old, 32 next month.

Wow your a baby at 31 But you are well into this Retro stuff.It is my birthday today but i am not going to say how old i am.Put it this way i never thought i would make it to this age.Dagny Carlsson, world’s oldest blogger, dies aged 109
Swedish centenarian had thousands of social media followers and regularly appeared on television
Dagny Carlsson, described as the world’s oldest blogger, who wrote about her life in Sweden based on the attitude that you should never think you are too old to do what you want to do, has died at the age of 109.
When she was 99, Carlsson attended a computer course. A year later, she started her blog where she called herself Bojan. Her friend Elena Ström wrote in an email to the Expressen daily that they had been “inseparable since 2011 when she became a student in one of my computer coursesIt just shows you its never to late to learn.
she must have had good genes.I will be happy if i make 75.

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[Keullo-e]

Wow your a baby at 31 But you are well into this Retro stuff.It is my birthday today but i am not going to say how old i am.Put it this way i never thought i would make it to this age.Dagny Carlsson, world’s oldest blogger, dies aged 109
Swedish centenarian had thousands of social media followers and regularly appeared on television
Dagny Carlsson, described as the world’s oldest blogger, who wrote about her life in Sweden based on the attitude that you should never think you are too old to do what you want to do, has died at the age of 109.
When she was 99, Carlsson attended a computer course. A year later, she started her blog where she called herself Bojan. Her friend Elena Ström wrote in an email to the Expressen daily that they had been “inseparable since 2011 when she became a student in one of my computer coursesIt just shows you its never to late to learn.
she must have had good genes


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Happy birthday! I've lived through the Athlon XP, 64, LGA 775 and later era, so that's why hardware from that era is interesting as now it's half-free actually. It's now fine to get a CPU and overclock it to its max, back in my teens I was a budget gamer and well, I still am, my current PC (AMD R5 3600, 32GB, 1080 Ti) is a powerful system but not high-end.

I still need one thing to get truly to the past and that's GF4 Ti card. GF3 is weaker, I have one though.

Also, the lady was how old in this picture? She died at 109 but I've seen many 80yers who look older.

edit: I still have my NES I got in -93 ^^