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TSMC Thinking to Raise Prices, NVIDIA's Jensen Fully Supports the Idea

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Has anyone else gone from TSMC to Samsung over price disagreements? Like, in last 5 years or so :D
I'm just drawing a picture.
NV went with 8nm Samsung for Ampere but I can't remember what was exactly the reason.
 
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Isn't supporting your component supplier by making them earn more money kind of... you know, goes against greed?
Aren't higher prices for advanced lithography sensible? Isn't triggering competition due to higher prices by using other factories goes against fabrication monopoly?

I won't answer those questions, but I do not expect most TPU members to bring them up before furiously bashing the keyboard at the sight of the word combination "price increase".
Accepting the realities of business is different from actively pushing for them. Jensen should be advocating for his customers wherever possible but he doesn’t care. We know this based on his words and his actions. He wants to be rich and he doesn’t care who suffers in the process.
 
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Uh-oh.. with that title you'll make the leather jacket the most hated person outside the obsessive circle that idolizes everything regardless of the impacts.

If your profit is calculated as a percentage of the value of the product, it's clear that the more expensive this base is, the better. Nvidia won't complain.

PS: I hope Samsung is ready to take advantage of this.
 
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But...

But....

Apple has/had the "Reality Distortion Field", but Huang has the "Letha Distortion Field", which shields him from any & all comments/backlash when they raise their prices, which they will surely do when the chips start costing him more :D

And FYI, it's a feature that is built into all of his jackets, which we all pay for also....

For more reference, just refer to the comments posted by john above !
 
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It's called price-fixing, and unfair/disloyal competition.
It is, and they might get fined. It won't be significant enough to affect them and no one has the stones to pull the rug out from under them and stop subsidizing their greedy behinds.
 

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TSMC has to pay for that High-NA EUV machine that ASML is shipping them for $380 Million. Those High-NA machines were too expensive just last week but times change.
 
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Affordable gaming PC is not going to survive.
If it was just Nvidia, fine there would be Radeon or Arc. But since they all use TSMC increasing the prices there more than expected will cause all of them to be more expensive.
 
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I couldn't care less about nVidia. But unfortunately, the price increase will inevitably hit the products, of all rival companies. Making the cheapest SKUs, by no means "affordable".

We don't need new hardware. We want new hardware. These are two different things entirely.
Maybe you, and other folks do not. No offence, or anything personal. But there are just plenty of people, who do, and were saving for years, to get at last what they need. But instead, been shafted hardly, with each saving not enough, due to never ending price rise. HW manufacturers constantly leapfroging each other by inventing new "reasons" to jack up price, so this ends up a vicious circle.

Accepting the realities of business is different from actively pushing for them. Jensen should be advocating for his customers wherever possible but he doesn’t care. We know this based on his words and his actions. He wants to be rich and he doesn’t care who suffers in the process.
Unfortunately, the client companies nVidia is going to pass the price increas onto, are in the same boat as JHH. They are for the profits at all costs, as well. But the more of them support this notion, the more the prices will be set in stone. Eventually they all will pass the bill on consumers, who do not have any voice and power, contrary to nVidia partners, and regulators.
 
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Isn't supporting your component supplier by making them earn more money kind of... you know, goes against greed?
Aren't higher prices for advanced lithography sensible? Isn't triggering competition due to higher prices by using other factories goes against fabrication monopoly?

I won't answer those questions, but I do not expect most TPU members to bring them up before furiously bashing the keyboard at the sight of the word combination "price increase".

This is how you hurt your competition; by pricing them out of it. Not just processes themselves, but the packaging technology.

If nVIDIA can raise the price to the point where others would be less-likely to use it, it's a win for them on multiple levels.

I'm not trying to come across as any kind of brand loyalist (Like I always say: I own both a LG OLED [I got on close-out] and TCL LCD; that represents my sentiments), but I don't know how else to read this.

This is clearly attempting to price other companies out of using TSMC's best technologies for as long as possible, in-which he will pay for the next (advantage over competitors) and suggests TSMC allow this.

This not only stifles competition, but innovation.

Keeps nVIDIA's margins fat AF though, and the public sentiment at the status-quo hype machine rolling as nVIDIA as a tier-above with a 'premium' product worth much more than *their* cost...to some people.

You have to understand; I respect Jensen's intelligence and ability to make money by any means necessary. You also have to understand: He is about as anti-consumer as you can possibly imagine.

Both things can be true...but I know in my heart what I find more important. Do others (even think about that)?

From experience, given this is not his first comment like this, many don't.

Most people do what they're told by the largest outlets (which are often granted perks, access, and kit)...listen carefully to *some* reviewers sometimes.

...and yes, this does include TPU taking payola donations from PNY(/nVIDIA?).

People listen to (insert media outlet) gush about their latest product; to many consumers their only interaction before purchase, and will pony up because they like/trust those marketing mouth-pieces people.

People want those things (they generally often don't need); they want to be part of the 'cool-kid' club, even if it hurts them wrt value or lacks any rational explanation. It, or rather people, truly does/do work like this.

People also have incredibly short-term memories, if not the market/coverage constantly evolving to include people unfamiliar with the past.

Not to pick on DF (I appreciate/respect their minds/talents, and as individual people), but I'll never forget when the new version of FSR came out and they had to rush-ship an AMD card to one of their testers.

Too much to ask for such a well-regarded outlet to have an AMD card around to test literally ANYTHING, (or everything, like W1zard), rather than just preach the latest nVIDIA (tech) marketing stunt?

But that would put strain wrt their 'ins' at nVIDIA; because nVIDIA *would* hold that against them. Hence the conundrum. You want them, and they want to have that access (for good-intentioned reasons)...

But they shouldn't be come across as shills...yet still often do.

And then people buy things based on those type of (to some-extent existent realities with certainly less-updated and/or flattering coverage to the competition) situations.

There are so many different moving parts to nVIDIA's success that people just don't understand. I shouldn't make assumptions, but I'm not deaf/blind; these things *do often happen*.

This is why nVIDIA wins. You can respect it, but I can't support it. Not just because value/prices/margins, but consumerist morals.

So much of that company comes down to them making certain moves most don't think about but have a huge (positive) effect on public sentiment disproportional to their cost.

It drowns out the anti-consumer reality to most unless they pay close attention/remember/really get into the weeds.

It's something I've learned over the years: people don't generally play close attention, don't remember unless you remind them, and often don't like to research things for themselves.

As I've also said before, nVIDIA's anti-consumer tactics also often becomes a battle of attrition with their hope of them eventually being normalized (that nVIDIA thinks it can always win...and generally does).
 
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Yadayada prices.

I don't care. The market decides, and corrects. And if the market doesn't, we will correct it, simply because things are not affordable.

Remember. Patience. It has worked this way since the first marketplace. If you have patience, you can direct the market or the purchase better. We don't need new hardware. We want new hardware. These are two different things entirely.


Heheh indeed
I don't know if that happens anymore since covid. Fibreglass insulation is just recycled glass, if they buy at 95% clean it's about $10/ton. Owens Corning basically has a monopoly on it now, and prices 2 years before covid to during covid/now have gone up ~300% and stayed there. Wood is still 250% more than pre-covid.

I vote with my wallet as much as possible, but sooner or later you need it, and have no choice but to pay. If everyone buys less and less, maybe prices might go down, but I'm doubtful we'll ever see pre-covid prices again...............unfortunately.
 
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Capitalism at its finest; screw the consumer, appease the shareholders
 
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If only it were that simple.
With the split coming around the corner that's likely exactly what this about. Jensens gotta hit 2t by Q3 or his AI push is all for naught.
 
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I don't know if that happens anymore since covid. Fibreglass insulation is just recycled glass, if they buy at 95% clean it's about $10/ton. Owens Corning basically has a monopoly on it now, and prices 2 years before covid to during covid/now have gone up ~300% and stayed there. Wood is still 250% more than pre-covid.

I vote with my wallet as much as possible, but sooner or later you need it, and have no choice but to pay. If everyone buys less and less, maybe prices might go down, but I'm doubtful we'll ever see pre-covid prices again...............unfortunately.
We should buy less. There is no question in my mind much of our wealth is excessive and wasteful. Weve gotten used to cheap shit.

I'm just drawing a picture.
NV went with 8nm Samsung for Ampere but I can't remember what was exactly the reason.
Cost, they made sure they had top chips on TSMC, still.
 
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I though you will say availability as a first thing.
Maybe AMD is going for cost here. Considering NV is happy with TSMC's increased prices and encourages it.
 
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Vote with your wallets people, vote with your wallets. Don't be stupid and suckers. No existing game nowadays is worth investing more than 800$ in a Video card. NONE!!
If people were smarter and valued their hard earn money more, there wouldn't be a market for those callous prices.
Just vote with your wallet and don't be stupid. Simple.
 
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This is a move to raise the barrier to entry and monopolize the market. If Nvidia is lobbying for higher TSMC prices they should get nuked by anti-monopoly laws.
 
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We should buy less. There is no question in my mind much of our wealth is excessive and wasteful. Weve gotten used to cheap shit.


Cost, they made sure they had top chips on TSMC, still.
Well yes and no. Stuff like wood and insulation should be cheap. There is no reason for the 300% covid mark up on it. Especially since precovid profits were already in the $100s of millions. Now they are several billion.

As for spending frivolous that’s different. But that’s the ADD generation……look at my new phone…..whatever. I’m using an old second hand iphone8. The old saying still applies….a fool and their money are soon parted.
 
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TSMC needs money to expand production and going into smaller nodes. TSMC getting more money can speed both up.
Nvidia hat a big margin, so they can keep the prices the same, but AMD might not be able to keep their prices so low...
Nvidia has no reason to cut margin when facing higher costs. They will simply pass the cost on to the consumer.
 
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I couldn't care less about nVidia. But unfortunately, the price increase will inevitably hit the products, of all rival companies. Making the cheapest SKUs, by no means "affordable".

Maybe you, and other folks do not. No offence, or anything personal. But there are just plenty of people, who do, and were saving for years, to get at last what they need. But instead, been shafted hardly, with each saving not enough, due to never ending price rise. HW manufacturers constantly leapfroging each other by inventing new "reasons" to jack up price, so this ends up a vicious circle.


Unfortunately, the client companies nVidia is going to pass the price increas onto, are in the same boat as JHH. They are for the profits at all costs, as well. But the more of them support this notion, the more the prices will be set in stone. Eventually they all will pass the bill on consumers, who do not have any voice and power, contrary to nVidia partners, and regulators.
This is blatantly wrong. Consumers have the ULTIMATE power, which is the wallet! If consumers stop buying, guess what? All those other companies, all their money, ALL of it dries up. All of it goes away.

The government isnt the solution to everything.
 
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I want to buy less and save less then.
 
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This is blatantly wrong. Consumers have the ULTIMATE power, which is the wallet! If consumers stop buying, guess what? All those other companies, all their money, ALL of it dries up. All of it goes away.

The government isnt the solution to everything.
Consumers not buying 1k$ GPUs won't make them cheaper when they can sell the same chips to the automotive industry for 5k$ or AI server farms for 30k$.
 

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This is blatantly wrong. Consumers have the ULTIMATE power, which is the wallet! If consumers stop buying, guess what? All those other companies, all their money, ALL of it dries up. All of it goes away.

The government isnt the solution to everything.

It's not the consumers powering Nvidia at the moment, it's the stock market and shareholders. Once the AI market craters, Jensen may be out of a job with a shareholder revolt on his hands. The main consumers right now are large corporations and the federal government.
 
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