What 16gb ddr4 ram for a desktop pc ?

[Deleted member 67555]

I don't know

So fare i have to tweak ram a bit to get it to run 3200mhz and i have 14 days to return it and get all of my money back if returned with no damage

I think i will keep it even when a i5 8400 is better in games since i have big expertations for ryzen 3 that they present late may

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/lisa-s...5EUfUHweHSfVI5UwLayhSrdMFLnIpbD1b8fexMdY5hDcA



Havent touch my i5 for more then 6 month, not even applied new thermal paste since i got my cpu cooler

Did you bump your cooler when removing the old GFX or when you put in the new one?
It's a long shot.... But changing a GFX doesn't degrade ram speed.
Did this happen directly after the BIOS update?

 

[gasolin]

Did you bump your cooler when removing the old GFX or when you put in the new one?
It's a long shot.... But changing a GFX doesn't degrade ram speed.
Did this happen directly after the BIOS update?

No not after bios update

Might be the ram, having to test,mb,cpu,gpu can be difficult if you only have one of each

They won't run 3200 mhz in ryzen although they are qvl with my mb

 

[EarthDog]

Wait a minute.... I am confused. These sticks are not running on the PC in your system specs? Did I miss where you mentioned that point? You mention Ryzen in post 22, but I don't think you outright said this was for a Ryzen system until now............................

 

[gasolin]

They are in my system, doesn't matter if it's ryzen ram, it's samsung d ram as they are the best for ryzen and also works with intel.

 

[EarthDog]

Samsung B-die you mean?

All I am saying is that on Ryzen platforms, they are finicky with RAM... even those sticks on their QVL lists can have issues. It isn't intel where you can install a potato and it will work.

Also, Ryzen 1 or Ryzen 2? Relevant information is helpful.

 

[gasolin]

Samsung b die if you will, they work good with ryzen and theres not problem using them wit an intel cpu

 

[EarthDog]

The Intel CPU portion is 100% irrelevant as we are, apparently, talking about these working in a Ryzen based system. My point above was that Ryzen still has a few memory quirks where with Intel you can install a potato and it will likely work.

Again, even if it is on the QVL list, AMD Ryzen memory can be finicky...... and again...... Ryzen 1 or Ryzen 2? I ask as the first gen ryzens tend to have more compatibility issues. You said the motherboard (what motherboard?) was updated and the AGESA updates?

If you want help, you need to be more forthcoming with the right information.

 

[gasolin]

ryzen 2 latest bios

 

[Redwoodz]

Pretty sure it's not the RAM. In fact I will buy you a new set of 3200CL16 in trade for your sticks.

 

[gasolin]

so why do you think it's not my ram?

Update rysen won't run my ram faster then 2933mhz if i go 3000mhz or higher it won't boot or crashes som bsod memory thing, i have used d.o.c.p (xmp).

old setup rysen x370 it only could run 2933mhz until later updates and it ran 3200mhz same mb as i have now just x470 should run my ram at 3200mhz since ruzen 2000 and 400 mb are better at ram.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

so why do you think it's not my ram?

Update rysen won't run my ram faster then 2933mhz if i go 3000mhz or higher it won't boot or crashes som bsod memory thing, i have used d.o.c.p (xmp).

old setup rysen x370 it only could run 2933mhz until later updates and it ran 3200mhz same mb as i have now just x470 should run my ram at 3200mhz since ruzen 2000 and 400 mb are better at ram.

To get them to go faster you're going to have to manually adjust the timings and voltages.
For instance try CL18-18-18 39 @1.35v @3200mhz
Or CL 16-18-18 39

 

[gasolin]

To get them to go faster you're going to have to manually adjust the timings and voltages.
For instance try CL18-18-18 39 @1.35v @3200mhz
Or CL 16-18-18 39

it did run at 14 14 14 34 that's is a bit extreme 16 18 18 39

It does support F4-3200C16D-16GFX 16-16-16-36 i have to try that even when g skill say it's supported in 14 14 14 34 (ryzen)

 

[Deleted member 67555]

it did run at 14 14 14 34 that's is a bit extreme 16 18 18 39

It does support F4-3200C16D-16GFX 16-16-16-36 i have to try that even when g skill say it's supported in 14 14 14 34

I'm sure the memory can do those nice tight timings but your CPU can't.
Those timings aren't supposed to be where you end but just a beginning to figure out what your CPU is capable of.
You might just be stuck at 2933...

 

[Gasaraki]

"After a short period with a rtx 2060 i switced back to my rx 580 and for some reason... " Why would anyone do that...

I found out that neither ram cpu nor graphics card was the problem

It was my pci e express slot it won't run with 3200mhz ram running at 3200mhz...


Wut?

 

[gasolin]

"After a short period with a rtx 2060 i switced back to my rx 580 and for some reason... "

Well there's your problem...

WHAT?

"After a short period with a rtx 2060 i switced back to my rx 580 and for some reason... " Why would anyone do that...

I found out that neither ram cpu nor graphics card was the problem

It was my pci e express slot it won't run with 3200mhz ram running at 3200mhz...


Wut?

For some reason when i changed pc i express slot i was again able to run the ram at 3200mhz (intel)

Atm on ryzen i can't run my ram at 3200mhz


My asus prime x470 pro supports G.Skill Trident Z RGB DDR4 3200MHz 2x8GB cl 14 but not G skill flare x 3200mhz cl 14 only cl 16 so i have to try running them at cl 16 next time i make some adjustments

To get them to go faster you're going to have to manually adjust the timings and voltages.
For instance try CL18-18-18 39 @1.35v @3200mhz
Or CL 16-18-18 39

No luck but i got it to run 14 14 14 34 67 at 2933mhz


Update

Back on my intel system so fare running at the speed it should and passmark memory test,benchmark is no noticeable faster then ryzen since my ram runs at 3200mhz cl 14

 

[Deleted member 67555]

@gasolin
Out of curiosity would you run the CPU-Z benchmark and post your results?
submit your results and share the link

 

[NdMk2o1o]

I had to go back to the op as I'm confused, you're talking about an intel and a ryzen system here in OP you can't get it to work at 3200 on intel system which is what the op was about where are we at now, what system is this damn ram for?

 

[gasolin]

I can sort of get it to work on intel but not rated speed on ryzen.

it doesn't matter what ram it is, it's usable on both intel and amd, like an ssd works on both intel and amd based systems.


Im moving to ryzen since i had problems returning the mb, i was a bit pissed at the store that wouldn't credit the mb so instead of buying my old setup back, im buying a ryzen 5 2600x with higher ghz and xfr.

https://valid.x86.fr/t70htl

https://valid.x86.fr/q0pdyn

I chose to just use aut for the ram since i can't run them at 3200 cl 14

I chose to sell my ram so i could get some ram on the qvl list Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 C15 BK DC - 16GB i sold my ram today

 

[EarthDog]

it doesn't matter what ram it is, it's usable on both intel and amd, like an ssd works on both intel and amd based systems.

RAM is not like that at all. In theory...sure... in practice.. no.

 

[RealNeil]

I have always had a slight penalty with RAM's speed on my Ryzen systems. 3200MHz. RAM running at 2933MHz. sounds familiar.
My Intel boxes all run their RAM at the rated XMP speeds without issues.

The only Ryzen box that Is still here in my house is an R5-1600X with GSKill DDR4-2400MHz. RAM that is running at 2394.2MHz.
I'm not sure what happened to that missing 5.8MHz, (it's set to use the XMP-2 Timings) but I'm not bothered by it.

I'm using an ASUS ROG Strix B350-F Gaming mainboard and an AMD Wraith Prism RGB CPU Cooler on it.
The few minor benches that I've run on it are producing expected results every time.

I do plan on another Ryzen system once the new Boards/CPU come out in a few months. This one will be for me and will have fast RAM, and water cooling.
I plan to keep it for a long time.

 

[gasolin]

mabye like bus speed not always being 100, most of the time it's 99.7- 99.9, something like that

 

[NdMk2o1o]

mabye like bus speed not alway being 100, most of the time it's 99.7- 99.9, something like that

Spot on.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Tune it in.
Every AMD ever meets the minimum specs in every way for what it's sold as but they always do something better than what you got with very rare exceptions...they just need tuned.
Ryzen seems to really like high speed memory even sloppy...not stupid sloppy like hot dog down a hallway sloppy but meh, sloppy.
I can't tell you how many times I've had to reset the bios manually trying to tune in a board, cpu and memory...it is your shit...explore.
The last mobo I fried the VRM's on I was given $10 to choose it...no joke Microcenter had Phenom 2 x2 555 with $50 off a compatible mobo and I got an MSI 760 AM3+ for $50-$50 + a $10 mir.
Just don't be obnoxious about and when you're not sure if what you're doing is way beyond....ask.
anyways have fun with it in whatever way you like....enjoy it

 

[RealNeil]

mabye like bus speed not always being 100, most of the time it's 99.7- 99.9, something like that

Yeah, the bus speed fluctuates up and down all the time. (a little bit)
Either way, I'm happy with it the way it is because my wife is happy with it the way it is.

 

[EarthDog]

That is normal and at least for Intel, is called spread spectrum. It's because if EMI iirc.