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Which air cooler for a ryzen 9 5900x

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Side panels ?

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Kitguru say it makes a diffrence, use artic p12 fans, any better fans or just a waste of money getting fans for 7-10 euros each ?

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So the only way forwards now is Honeywell PTM 7950 + the recommended fan layout above and good fans.

After that, watercooling with a chiller or using a dry ice solution, perhaps phase change.


This is a test on the 5900X.

If you want obstructed airflow, sure occupy those holes on the side panel, they will offer either no improvement or worsen it.
 
Honeywell PTM 7950 is very pricey and i can't get it form a european store

How about thermal grizzly,artic and deepcool ?


WikiChip say 40x40mm so one of these 2 (haven't googled the difference

https://www.caseking.de/thermal-grizzly-kryosheet-waermeleitpad-38-x-38-mm-zuwa-281.html or

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Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut Wärmeleitpad - 38 × 38 × 0,2 mm

Innovatives und leistungsfähiges Wärmeleitpad, extrem lange haltbar, elastisch mit guter Wärmeleitfähigkeit, 0,2 mm Stärke - 38 × 38 mm, für Intel-CPUs für den Sockel 2066 und AMD-CPUs für den Sockel AM4
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Artic https://www.caseking.de/arctic-waermeleitpad-145-x-145-x-0-5mm-zuwa-113.html

Deepcool https://www.caseking.de/deepcool-ek720-l-waermeleitpad-100-x-50-x-1-5-mm-zuwa-263.html


What fans, the p12 and p14 is still the best budget,performance,silence fans ?
 
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Grab the TG paste.

EK Vardar if you can afford them.

Otherwise yes the Arctic will do.
 
@gasolin Honestly, looking at your System Spec, chances are that you won't notice a difference of improving stock, if I recall, two-fan layout of your case. 5900X and 3060 is not much too cool, so less likely to show a difference with bringing it more airflow. In the end you will always be limited by capabilites of your coolers which from some point will stop benefiting from increasing airflow. They also may happen needing to be loudest (especially I'm staring at Gigabyte card after happening to test and be not impressed with Gaming OC model). The same goes with adding more fans to run all slower. I would start with experimenting with pressure, so running both fans with different speeds and it will rather give you the best you can achieve here doing anything.
 
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Honeywell PTM 7950 is very pricy and i can't get it form a european store

How about thermal grizzly,artic and deepcool ?


WikiChip say 40x40mm so one of these 2 (haven't googled the difference

https://www.caseking.de/thermal-grizzly-kryosheet-waermeleitpad-38-x-38-mm-zuwa-281.html or

www.caseking.de

Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut Wärmeleitpad - 38 × 38 × 0,2 mm

Innovatives und leistungsfähiges Wärmeleitpad, extrem lange haltbar, elastisch mit guter Wärmeleitfähigkeit, 0,2 mm Stärke - 38 × 38 mm, für Intel-CPUs für den Sockel 2066 und AMD-CPUs für den Sockel AM4
www.caseking.de www.caseking.de

Artic https://www.caseking.de/arctic-waermeleitpad-145-x-145-x-0-5mm-zuwa-113.html

Deepcool https://www.caseking.de/deepcool-ek720-l-waermeleitpad-100-x-50-x-1-5-mm-zuwa-263.html


What fans, the p12 and p14 is still the best budget,performance,silence fans ?
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Thermal grizzly kyronaut/Kryonaut Extreme is good.

Kryosheet is ideal for GPUs but will perform worse than paste on a CPU. Consistent performance though after years.

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I'm far from being like that, because I clearly explain my opinions and give examples. Exactly opposite to you, as we can see even in this thread, and now we add seeing people how you like to see them what is lying to yourself or just lacking.

Funny thing with Define cases is, and what I rather didn't mention in your thread, I personally chose Define 7 over R5. Close to it's launch when price difference was even bigger than today. Because I found 7 noticeably better in few important to me ways. On the other hand, since 7's launch I have strong tendency of choosing R5 over 7 when building for others. When budget is tight, that's the first thing to cut, because R5 is already good and owners tend to be from the kind less likely to experience the differences. I know both cases by heart. I'm happy to use 7 for over four years, appreciate it serving better all of this time and from expected long term perspective I then found price premium it came with meaningless. To me it wasn't worth to save it and get worse case.

With Arctics, comeback when some start rattling or irritate you acoustically. It probably will, but you won't ;) If we talk about me, when I add fans to R5, I tend to place decent original ones to the front and add one Shadow Wings 2 140mm to the back. Not expensive, but nicely performing, with quality to last and working great with built-in fan controller Average Joes prefer to use. If we talk about my own fans, I cost-wise downgraded from Silent Wings 3 140mm to Scythe Kaze Flex 140mm. I don't know their prices in euros, but in Polish Złotys it was going from 100 PLN to 70 PLN fan, so once again we see how much worth are your words ;)
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I think we shouldn't pollute this thread further with our disagreement, so this will be my last reply on this matter.

My budget isn't tight, but that doesn't stop me from getting what I want for the best possible price. I prefer the Define R5 over the 7 for several reasons. It's much more modular than the R6 and 7 and doesn't cater to the TG crowd. That I actually got a cheap deal on the R5? More power to me! Sadly, it's apparently no longer possible to get the Blackout version, but I can live with that.

As for the Arctic P14 PWM fans, they're almost universally regarded as some of the best fans you can buy. That they're cheap is only a bonus, but it's not the defining criteria. I may have looked at the Scythe Kaze Fles and I still might, if the Arctics turn out to be a dud. As things stand the P14s perform better and I paid the same for 2 P14s as I would for 1 Kaze Flex. No one can predict the future, so those P14s might very well last me longer than the Kaze Flex would. I'm planning to use the P14s as the intake fans and use one of the GP14s that come with the case as the exhaust fan. Possibly will also mount the second GP14 between the PSU and the 3-drive HDD bay as another intake fan.

Anyway, I've said my piece. Apologies again to the OP for slightly derailing the thread.
 
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ojoqrom said:
So the only way forwards now is Honeywell PTM 7950 + the recommended fan layout above and good fans.
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Cpu, im not shure if it's better than thermal paste but if it makes a difference i would try it

Thermalright Heilos Thermal Pad for my thremalright pa 120 and amd is cheap less, than 7 euros
 
@gasolin/ojoqrom
do not misread this, but: a little bit of lol, after reading your fan layout.

just to go by it in simple terms:
ignore size and assuming all fans have same "flow".

while the 2 fans in the front will produce 200 (%), the single fan in the back, will do 100,
so at least 1/3 of your warm air will just circle around in the case, as the exhaust fan cant move same amount of air.
sure, heat goes upwards/some out the back openings, but usually wont matter much in a (forced) air environment.

so with the top/bottom/rear just "open", you will just have some "turbulence" when the air passes by it,
messing up overall flow (front>back), never close to the flow any 2 fans will provide, even if running at bare min speed (3-4V)
doing ~200ish rpm.


with my 280 rad mounted to side panel, set as exhaust (two arctic P14, later 2 more P14S on outside),
two F14 in the front/at bottom (both intake), one F14 rear/three F12S on top (all exhaust),
the rig is inaudible at low load, with case 3ft next to me on the desk (5800X/5950X).

the next case will have the rad back on the top, with bottom+front+side all intake,
so i will switch for Silent versions. allows for a little bit higher min rpm/earlier peaking of max rpm.



@gasolin
in general (unless: form>function)
the P are for rad/restricted flow (case that has 'grill/cover", not just a mesh filter),
with arctic stating that the fans (at least for the P series) prefer pull, rather than push (rad), when only using two fans,
and F are better for case/no restriction stuff.
from the last couple builds i did (friends/customers), the pwm ones seem to have less resonance with some cases/panels than the DC fans (3 pin),
when reaching certain rpms (~900/1000 till about 1200-1400rpm) no matter if F or P.
but not the silent versions, guess because they only reach ~800-1000rpm, depending on size/F or P.

but: stay away from any multipack, they seem to have large amount from a bad batch at amazons warehouses (US),
order from arctic directly, or local shop you know doesnt have "old" stock,
as the replacements i got from arctic directly, are now same "age", and still dont click at lowest rpm (dust in bearing) like all from multi packs did (~1-2y).
not an issues getting them, but when you zip-tie stuff to look nice...

pads arent a good idea for (desktop) cpu use, except (thin) graphite (based) stuff.
 
I don't know if pads are good but mabye they can improve it a little, since pads where recommend

Case fans, i had 2 with click sounds so 2x2 120 pwm in the top and middle in the front and side with the side panel on for directing the air across the mb instead towards the glas side panel
 
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they can be, but only if made from graphite.
especially if you dont regularly remove the cooler, otherwise, your spending much more, each time it gets replaced (vs TP/TG)

to make it shorter:
all fan ports used with low rpm, is better than only 2 full throttle.
arctic fans are very cheap for what they can do and have 6-10 warranty,
that i cant understand, your willing to shell out to "try" a pad, when similar amount gets you fans for top (exhaust),
improving air flow for EVERTHING, not just the cpu.
 
Havn't tried a thermal pad

Artic is cheap, thermalright is cheap Update one said the thermalright is the same as Honeywell

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Thermalright Heilos Thermal Pads

Does anyone know if these are phase change cooling pads? Is Thermalright rebranding Honeywell Ptm7950 pads or making their own version? Thermalright Quietly Launches New Heilos Thermal Pads | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)
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I only have 4x120mm fans so i either want to buy 2 more or 2x140 mm in the front and 3x120mm in the side

Have 45 min to order something if i want it tomorrow

Ordered more fans and mounted 3 fans i the side, the side pane next to the mb, is a pain in the.... to mount with 3 fans, so i skipped it.

One in the front

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2 hot air out, rest cold air in
 
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gasolin said:
hot air in 2 hot out
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It don't work that way.

Treat air as a physical reality, it moves and needs time to get to it's destination.

The fans from the side panel are fighting the front intake ones effectively nullifying each other, when the most practical and effective version is just the front intakes giving a steady stream of air.

Added diagram of how you could feed the bottom fan to the GPU.
The external route is a little more hard work, you may need to glue it to the rear of the case.

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not really

i had for 3 front fans but more fan i could exchange the clicky fans and try more fans
 
I believe you are at your limits of what can be done with your specific hardware.

You require more cash unfortunately.

We could go all day about fan efficiency etc but we would be knocking off 1-2c at max and this is mostly going to make no real difference.
 
Its neat to see how different people run their systems.
 
I tried cpu boost override -100mhz it lowered my single core performance but multi was the same

It lowered my temps a little, i just wish i could lower temps without an aio and without a noisy cpu cooler, running my cpu at stock speed or just with pbo on
 
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