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Why did we abandon hydrogen cars so quickly?

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Quick point...let's talk about history in as comical a way as possible.

How long is the "future" going to be the future? Let me put this out there, Top Gear Season 2, episode 9. At that point in the middle of 2003 (July 13th) Patrick Stewart was not killing the legacy of Picard, and the hydrogen skateboard, backed up with battery, was the future of motoring.


Note that Musk was by far not the first to propose something like this, that his primary step forward with the automotive industry was having government subsidies to build a huge battery plant and thus drive down the adoption costs for battery vehicle, and that the fun bit of all of this is that we literally are no closer to the future than when gas was about a dollar per gallon. Isn't it funny how the future is always a few years off...and the distaste for things like nuclear energy as a stop-gap can never get off the ground because there's always the promise of something just around the corner?
Be it hydrogen, or the next generation CPU, this forum always seems to have that problem of FOMO...and while we are waiting for the future things are only continuing along their current path.
Very well said! :)

It's just our 21st century zeitgeist (What's the English word?) I think. We're constantly surrounded by existential worries that have the only goal of making us buy stuff and postponing focusing on the most important thing we've got: time. People keep planning the future like it's always there (it f-ing isn't), forgetting to live in the moment, and then realising that they lived their whole lives in a pipe dream and it's all gone, wasted on nothing. Sad.
 
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I'm inclined to agree with you. At the same time I think the whole discussion regarding these new types of fuel is not going well. Its highly political and shouldn't be, just like the climate issue. A big influence making it political is of course a lobby from the fossil industry. But yeah just on facts... I can find BEVs now with over 600 km's of range, basically any long range version of existing models gets there. That's sufficient, and it eliminates the greatest issue for BEVs. Charging speed is already fixed, you can charge at 350kw chargers now and be gone again with 80% or more in just about 15 minutes.

China ain't gonna stop making those vehicles, and they're going to sell them.

We can't expect a similar push on the hydrogen front just yet; even though there ARE hydrogen cars. I do think we can use hydrogen though, and that brings us back to what we started off with: the discussion on new fuel types. There's a place for everything, or most things, perhaps even fossil still has its place; I think hydrogen is much better served in heavier types of vehicles, that can't store immense battery packs to accomodate the huge energy requirement.
No, you can't in real world charge at 350kW. On one day, it is the moist - so it won't work. On other day, such as your family vacation summer holiday, it is heat - so again it will not charge 350kW. They are rated though, but in real world - does not happen! In real world, you are lucky if you get 60% of rated speed of charge, or the power of charge in this example...so you get around ~200kWh, which does not charge up to 80% in 15miin, but more like in 30min!
Also, in real world, like for example on tank station - you are not the 1st one on the line. & with 350kW chargers, you are not only the 1st one in line, you are some 10th down the pile up. So that adjusted ~30min charge that you mention needs to wait for 9 more cars down the pile up...& your waiting time is around 300min, or sthg like ~5h.
Yes, this is the life with BEV. & how do I know? Well, we tested those things, back when I used to work for Rimac.

Considering China cars, yes. They are just like Made in China, which stands for rubbish! So expect poor quality.
Also, expect to get it for cheap, but also expect for business go out of work soon, example: https://revijahak.hr/2025/01/06/daj...z-kine-rasprodala-je-automobile-za-2500-eura/ (translate it yourself with Chrome or Edge automatic feature)

Again, H2 or nuclear is the future of the cars. While PHEV or HEV are the current reality! :cool:
 
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