Why is it so damn hard to find a white fan?

gasolin · Feb 6, 2023

https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/coolers/case-fan/masterfan-mf120-halo-white-edition/

F120P | NZXT 120mm Static Pressure PWM Case Fan

120mm Static Pressure PWM Case Fan

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F120Q | NZXT 120mm Quiet Airflow PWM Case Fan

120mm Quiet Airflow PWM Case Fan

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sneekypeet · Feb 6, 2023

thesmokingman said:
Not following stealing his fans, are you talking about his following?

yes sorry.

Vario · Feb 7, 2023

cvaldes said:
You would put the weaker fan on the left side of a conventional CPU tower cooler, moving air toward the rear exhaust vent.

Thus the more powerful fan is on the right, pushing air into the cooler's fins.

This is all based on Vario's theory which was not accompanied by any sort of external reference or documentation.

A more pragmatic approach would be to try it out yourself with your actual components in your specific environment (your PC case). Fans do not have linear performance curves anyhow so results will depend on whatever speeds you operate them at.

There a few sources out there:

Radiator Fan Orientation and TFC Shroud Testing & Review

martinsliquidlab.petrastech.com

Push vs Pull vs Push-Pull Radiator Configurations - Tech4Gamers

We compare push, pull, and push-pull configurations in terms of performance and other factors to see how much they really differ.

tech4gamers.com

Push, Pull or Push-Pull on radiators? - ekwb.com

Push, pull, or push-pull? If you don’t know we’re talking about fan configuration, you should read on & learn how it affects radiators and performance.

www.ekwb.com

It is a subtle difference. Additionally, running a shroud is beneficial as Martin shows. As you suggest, testing different things is probably the best. Personally I just test a variety of cooling setups until I find something that works well.

thesmokingman said:
It's been proven a decade back by Martinsliquidlabs that pull nets higher temps vs push thru a resistance like a radiator. Iirc it was 1c difference in water temp on a 360 rad for ex.

Yes this was what I was thinking of.

claes · Feb 7, 2023

sneekypeet said:
Testing outside of the bounds of intention is serious? It is a ploy to gain followers and traffic, nothing more.

I don’t know what you mean by “bounds of intentions”

sneekypeet said:
I will get hate for this, but it is reality.

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The reality of people buying products from that type of a review.

I was only referring to case reviews, which typically aren’t that great across tech media. I’m here for a reason, and it’s largely because TPU has some of the best reviews available, even if I think some places do better case reviews.

No shade to TPU — it’s a pita (and expensive) to do good case reviews (and fan reviews, which TPU is excellent at) beyond questions of build quality and component compatibility and the like. The case reviews here are better than probably 95% of the market, but the thermal testing leaves some things to be desired and, even then, perfection is probably impossible.

trparky · Feb 11, 2023

Ok, that experiment didn’t work out. Oh well, live and learn.

I’m thinking of replacing it with this… DeepCool AK620
https://www.newegg.com/deepcool-ak6...m_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-35-856-200-_-02112023

Any thoughts?

ThrashZone · Feb 11, 2023

Hi,
So black fans are okay now ?
Can of white spray paint goes a long ways and pretty easy.

gasolin · Feb 11, 2023

They do make a white AK620 https://www.newegg.com/deepcool-ak620-wh/p/N82E16835856201

trparky · Feb 11, 2023

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
So black fans are okay now ?
Can of white spray paint goes a long ways and pretty easy.

I was only looking for white fans to go with the cooler that I had. Now that I’m replacing the whole cooler, I don’t care.

bonehead123 · Feb 11, 2023

#JustSayNo2RainbowCircusPukerfesters#

trparky · Feb 11, 2023

bonehead123 said:
#JustSayNo2RainbowCircusPukerfesters#

You mean RGB?

ThrashZone · Feb 11, 2023

trparky said:
I was only looking for white fans to go with the cooler that I had. Now that I’m replacing the whole cooler, I don’t care.

Hi,
Yep pity guessing they planned it like that.

gasolin said:
They do make a white AK620 https://www.newegg.com/deepcool-ak620-wh/p/N82E16835856201

Yeah not sure why the op's link would stick on the cooler you posted.

trparky · Feb 11, 2023

What? Should I make a new thread?

gasolin · Feb 11, 2023

I don't know why but i do have problems with ram clearance with dual 120mm cooler

maxfly · Feb 11, 2023

trparky said:
What? Should I make a new thread?

Nope, you'll get the same people making the same responses. You're good.
The ak620 is a fine choice.

bonehead123 · Feb 12, 2023

trparky said:
You mean RGB?

AKA... R.f'n.G.f'n.B.f'n :laugh:

but yea, that's what I was referring to.......

freeagent · Feb 12, 2023

gasolin said:
I don't know why but i do have problems with ram clearance with dual 120mm cooler

Is this what you are bent out of shape about?

Its ok if the fan sits on memory.

bonehead123 said:
AKA... R.f'n.G.f'n.B.f'n

With lurv

Totally · Feb 12, 2023

trparky said:
Edit: Oh, I've found some white-colored fans but they all have RGB and no... just no. I'm done with RGB puke.

Why is RGB even an issue? Just leave the shit unplugged. Example of complaining for the sake of complaining right there.

claes · Feb 12, 2023

Totally said:
Example ofocomplaining for the sake of complaining right there.

Samesies

Massdeth · Feb 12, 2023

Thrashzone Said:

Hi,
So black fans are okay now ?
Can of white spray paint goes a long ways and pretty easy.

NO, dont paint your fans unless you are only painting the frames. You paint the fan blades themselves and it ruins them with all the extra weight and thickness. Even with a clear coat and wax dust piles up really fast, especially the edges and just kills their performance. I did it years ago with Antec Tri-cools and some Yate loon high speed 85cfm/2000rpmers and they still couldnt overcome the burden of the weight. Live and learn i guess, but there's some wisdom from a guy who travelled that path already.

pf100 · Feb 12, 2023

Totally said:
Why is RGB even an issue? Just leave the shit unplugged. Example ofocomplaining for the sake of complaining right there.

If it were only that simple. My corsair keyboard and razer mouse won't save rgb settings to the devices so I have to keep two pieces of bloatware that need a 500gb update once a week running in the tray to keep rgb off. The only thing that I could turn off rgb by unplugging something was my 3080 and I had to take it apart to do it. RGB makes components more expensive. I wish we had an option to simply turn it off, but we don't. It's a pain in the ass and no amount of "just turn it off or unplug it, derp-a-derp" will make it any easier.

Totally · Feb 12, 2023

pf100 said:
If it were only that simple. My corsair keyboard and razer mouse won't save rgb settings to the devices so I have to keep two pieces of bloatware running in the tray to keep rgb off. The only thing that I could turn off rgb by unplugging something was my 3080. RGB makes components more expensive. I wish we had an option to simply turn it off, but we don't. It's a pain in the ass and no amount of "just turn it off or unplug it, derp-a-derp" will make it any easier.

Cool story but thread is about fans "derp-a-derp." Last I checked, about 30s ago to be sure, if the rgb cable is left unplugged the the lights don't come on. There are a plethora of all‐white fans out, yes the bulk of them have RGB but as I mentioned before that is a non-issue if the cable is left unplugged.

pf100 · Feb 12, 2023

Totally said:
Cool story but thread is about fans "derp-a-derp." Last I checked, about 30s ago to be sure, if the rgb cable is left unplugged the the lights don't come on. There are a plethora of all‐white fans out, yes the bulk of them have RGB but as I mentioned before that is a non-issue if the cable is left unplugged.

Here is a radical idea along the lines of your original post about fans: make it so you can turn it off. I realize I'm going to piss off about 90% of everybody here with that insane idea of making it so you can just turn it off.

ThrashZone · Feb 12, 2023

Hi,
Yep I use open rgb to turn off effects on my trident-z royal memory kit works good

OpenRGB

Open source RGB lighting control that doesn't depend on manufacturer software

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95Viper · Feb 12, 2023

Stay on topic.
Be helpful or don't post.
Stop the insults.

Warnings and thread bans will happen if the guidelines/rules are not followed.

Dr. Dro · Feb 13, 2023

thesmokingman said:
In that case, spray paint is your friend. Don't forget a clear coat to make it easier to wipe clean.

Painting fan blades is a bad idea. It doesn't cross your mind when you're doing it, but paint, like any other material, has a weight

trparky said:
Ok, that experiment didn’t work out. Oh well, live and learn.

I’m thinking of replacing it with this… DeepCool AK620
https://www.newegg.com/deepcool-ak6...m_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-35-856-200-_-02112023

Any thoughts?

The AK620 is regarded as a quality budget heatsink these days. The same goes for the Assassin 120 SE, which may also be of interest.

Since you're doing a white themed build, though, I would recommend this one instead, if you can find it:

NEPTWIN WHITE - DeepCool

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Display(s)	LG 32GP850, IIyama G2470HSU-B1
Case	Corsair 5000D airflow tg
Audio Device(s)	Marantz PM 6007 Triangle Esprit Titus Ez
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Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7700X
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Cooling	DeepCool AK620 with Arctic Silver 5
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Why is it so damn hard to find a white fan?

gasolin

F120P | NZXT 120mm Static Pressure PWM Case Fan

F120Q | NZXT 120mm Quiet Airflow PWM Case Fan

sneekypeet

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Vario

Radiator Fan Orientation and TFC Shroud Testing & Review

Push vs Pull vs Push-Pull Radiator Configurations - Tech4Gamers

Push, Pull or Push-Pull on radiators? - ekwb.com

claes

Ryzen 7 5800x Cooling : better colling, better performance ?

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