Windows 10 LTSC

chrcoluk · Jul 11, 2023

Shrek said:
I would hate to step back to 21H2; but be sure to tell us if it works for you or not.

Whats wrong with 21H2 for you?

I have ordered the key, but I probably wont be trying it until next week, the earliest as still need to finish PC upgrade, then after catch up with some work stuff, but dont mind reporting back if the activation stays validated, or if key pulled by microsoft for illegal use.

From what I can tell based on documents I found, you have to be a volume license customer to be legally using a licensed copy of LTSC and reselling is forbidden, but I could be wrong and talking nonsense.

Shrek · Jul 11, 2023

Good question; maybe it is the way to go, but I'll wait to see how it pans out for you.

Much appreciated that you are trying things out.

1freedude · Jul 11, 2023

mechtech said:
I got a key from @W1zz deal sites and it didn’t work .....

Same happened to me. I had success, and they helped me install it correctly on my FIRST purchase.

I had such a great experience with them, I decided to update another machine to Win 10.

That time, the key was refused. I emailed them and told them the error code, and within an hour, they sent another key. Worked fine. They are easy to deal with, and always there for the paying customer.

I say, we TPUers need our own Volume License, so we can legitimately use LTSC. Granted I'm with thefool, smoke it if you got it. :pimp:

mechtech · Jul 13, 2023

1freedude said:
Same happened to me. I had success, and they helped me install it correctly on my FIRST purchase.

I had such a great experience with them, I decided to update another machine to Win 10.

That time, the key was refused. I emailed them and told them the error code, and within an hour, they sent another key. Worked fine. They are easy to deal with, and always there for the paying customer.

I say, we TPUers need our own Volume License, so we can legitimately use LTSC. Granted I'm with thefool, smoke it if you got it.

Do you use your personal credit card or a prepaid one?

1freedude · Jul 13, 2023

Looking back to see how I paid, I noticed that the response they sent to give a new key was twenty minutes....

And it was with personal card. I think i tried paypal, but is still with the same card. I have a good handle on fraud protection and id protection, if that is why you ask @mechtech

erpguy53 · Jul 15, 2023

Shrek said:
Windows IoT Enterprise LTSC | Microsoft Learn

Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 19044
End of Servicing
2032/01/13

Does this mean there is a way to keep using Windows 10 till 2032?

up to January 13, 2032 to be precise

LabRat 891 · Jul 15, 2023

WTF does "IoT" even mean in this context? "Internet of Things" is quite vague in regards to how it affects a Windows license/featureset.

Count von Schwalbe · Jul 15, 2023

LabRat 891 said:
WTF does "IoT" even mean in this context? "Internet of Things" is quite vague in regards to how it affects a Windows license/featureset.

Designed for devices that run windows but aren't like a daily driver PC. Daily driver style PC units would generally run vanilla windows for the recurring updates.

A permanently installed PC running a specialized software, on the other hand, might need stability over performance and features. Think about, say, a self-checkout or airport kiosk. An overnight update that breaks the software designed specifically for a version of Windows would cause chaos. These things aren't really PCs, more IoT devices, but utilize PC hardware and need a robust OS.

Also, there are highly regulated and fairly security-conscious industries, where software must undergo rigorous certifications. Updating these for each Windows release is not feasible.

Shrek · Jul 26, 2023

Anyone know here I can buy a Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 key?

R-T-B · Jul 26, 2023

chrcoluk said:
From what I can tell based on documents I found, you have to be a volume license customer to be legally using a licensed copy of LTSC and reselling is forbidden, but I could be wrong and talking nonsense.

You aren't wrong from the EULA's perspective but Microsoft is pretty lax on enforcement.

P4-630 · Jul 26, 2023

Shrek said:
Anyone know here I can buy a Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 key?

If you can't buy it at those cheap key sites promoted by TPU, google or bing it?

Shrek · Jul 28, 2023

Tried, no luck.

P4-630 · Jul 28, 2023

Shrek said:
Tried, no luck.

Does it even excist?

Shrek · Jul 28, 2023

Windows IoT Enterprise LTSC | Microsoft Learn

natr0n · Jul 28, 2023

Shrek said:
Windows IoT Enterprise LTSC | Microsoft Learn

I installed this other day on spare system. It's fast and leaner than ever.

Shrek · Jul 28, 2023

Much appreciated, this is the sort of information I was after.

P4-630 · Jul 28, 2023

Shrek said:
Much appreciated, this is the sort of information I was after.

"These devices are typically found in industries including, but not limited to, banking, healthcare, hospitality, manufacturing and retail.
Devices that require regulatory certification and devices that perform a critical business function can't accept feature updates for years at a time."

You need it for your own ATM machine?.... :laugh:

theFOoL · Jul 28, 2023

I mean... I would but I won't upload to my Google Drive guys sorry *illegal but been using these since 2017 with no issues Sry [I've even Ran Defender to be sure *Extracted the ISO] With nothing coming up but yes upon the setup you can clearly see the text is different in the Agreement page

Shrek · Jul 29, 2023

This is getting very confusing

What's new in Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 - What's new in Windows | Microsoft Learn
"Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 has a 5 year lifecycle (IoT Enterprise LTSC continues to have a 10 year lifecycle).
Thus, the LTSC 2021 release is not a direct replacement for LTSC 2019, which has a 10 year lifecycle."

lexluthermiester · Jul 29, 2023

Shrek said:
Does this mean there is a way to keep using Windows 10 till 2032?

As long as you have a valid license key, then yes. 2032 will be your end date. However, Windows 10 LTSC does NOT have a kill-switch. Such a thing is ENTIRELY illegal. So if you keep using it beyond 2032, you'll be out of support, but the OS won't magically implode on you.

Count von Schwalbe said:
if you pay the fee(s) for extended support.

Incorrect. Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC is a long-term service branch of the OS. The 2032 timeline is the end date for microsoft supported updates. Paid update, if they're made available will come after that time-point.

Shrek · Jul 29, 2023

And therein lies my problem; can't find a seller for a key for Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021

mechtech said:
I got a key from @W1zz deal sites

Godeal24 said no keys for Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021

lexluthermiester · Jul 29, 2023

Shrek said:
And therein lies my problem; can't find a seller for a key for Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021

Godeal24 said no keys for Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021

You can find and buy them as a consumer, but they require some hoop-jumping.

LabRat 891 said:
WTF does "IoT" even mean in this context? "Internet of Things"

Yes, that is exactly what it means.

Shrek · Jul 29, 2023

lexluthermiester said:
You can find and buy them as a consumer, but they require some hoop-jumping.

Before I can jump, I must first find the hoop...

LabRat 891 · Jul 29, 2023

Shrek said:
Before I can jump, I must first find the hoop...

Still dunno where the hoop is, either. But, its (figurative) shape isn't normal.

(I assume IoT 2021 carried-over 2019's license model)

Edit: Here's a Msft-listed partner.

968TW21HL0

Win 10 IoT Ent 2021 LTSC High End

buy.advantech.com

I don't think this is the IoT edition, but I might be wrong.

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 - 1 PC

Buy Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 - 1 PC. This product includes one Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 Key for 1 PC. The key will be sent by email after purchase within minutes. Please check the spam or junk mail folder too. Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 - 1 PC is available for PC in both...

www.keysfan.com

Shrek · Jul 29, 2023

Doesn't look like the IoT version

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