Windows 10 Vs 11, Which one too choose?

[Kwadratowicz]

I'm going back to windows 10 ltsc, 11 ltsc with retrobar has some problems, and using new ui from windows 11 is just not for me, and one more thing, windows 11 is real pain in the .... when it comes to customization, You need 3rd party apps for taskbar to be on left or right site of monitor, registry tweaks for normal left click menu.
So my vote for 10 ltsc, or debloated 10 if the ltsc is not supported for games anymore in future.
Edit. ehhh 4th reinstal of windows in just one week -.-

 

[AleXXX666]

This why all the weird crap is going on. These kernel changes have been less than smooth for updates.

For a fresh install to get wonky, that's a new one to me, haven't seen it and have been doing it by default for anyone who has update issues with 24H2.

24H2 I've used fresh only, bcuz obviously I choosed long-waited LTSC...

I'm going back to windows 10 ltsc, 11 ltsc with retrobar has some problems, and using new ui from windows 11 is just not for me, and one more thing, windows 11 is real pain in the .... when it comes to customization, You need 3rd party apps for taskbar to be on left or right site of monitor, registry tweaks for normal left click menu.
So my vote for 10 ltsc, or debloated 10 if the ltsc is not supported for games anymore in future.

SAME here, 11's UI is written differently, so it s***ks like some crappy Linux UI, the tray pop-ups jumps out clunkily, not smoothly always and at very good machines. This drives mem mad asf!!!

My "plan":
1507 x86 - for very old laptops (because less upgrade possibility compared to desktop), C2D era-like - if someone really needs it for web video watching, be it temporarily IDC
1607 LTSB x64 - rock solid WORK OS, especially for custom special use-case where LAN file sharing is used (yes MS go f.. yourself with your "onedrive" "cloud"-BS forcing!), a lot of SW works even they tell you it won't lol. Just TEST. For aged, but medium-performance HW.
20H2 - really LOVE it, and as I'm more Intel-boy, it works up to 14 gen. IDC about this new "Apple Style named" Core Ultra (PRO MAX) Intel CPUs, lol
One could also use between them, but be aware - starting from 1803 only, you can restrict force feature-update to next or latest version; you can use latest "dch-packed" drivers only from 1803 version. This especially are into GPU drivers, be it iGPU or discrete one; for wifi wpa3 usage, you need 1903 or later build.
All these "old" windows 10 builds won't receive any crappy buggy latest updates; 1607 LTSB do receive, but haven't had any issues like with 21H2 or 22H2.

 

[tpa-pr]

SAME here, 11's UI is written differently, so it s***ks like some crappy Linux UI, the tray pop-ups jumps out clunkily, not smoothly always and at very good machines. This drives mem mad asf!!!

Fun (or not really fun?) fact: you were originally going to get the Win11 UI in Windows 10! What we know as Windows 11 was actually going to be the "Sun Valley" update for Windows 10, so another one of the bi-annual builds but with the Windows 11 UI being introduced. Microsoft changed their plans late in the game and decided to split it off into its own OS, Windows 11. I believe nobody really knows why.

(My working theory is that Apple announced macOS was finally jumping from version 10 to 11 around the same time Microsoft was working on Sun Valley, ergo their marketing department panicked because now macOS was going to have a bigger number than 10 )

 

[Kwadratowicz]

Fun (or not really fun?) fact: you were originally going to get the Win11 UI in Windows 10! What we know as Windows 11 was actually going to be the "Sun Valley" update for Windows 10, so another one of the bi-annual builds but with the Windows 11 UI being introduced. Microsoft changed their plans late in the game and decided to split it off into its own OS, Windows 11. I believe nobody really knows why.

(My working theory is that Apple announced macOS was finally jumping from version 10 to 11 around the same time Microsoft was working on Sun Valley, ergo their marketing department panicked because now macOS was going to have a bigger number than 10 )

About windows 10 and 11 and all that 21h2 and other numbers crap from microsoft, my personal opinion is that every one big update from microsoft is like going from windows 8 to 8.1, and what's more they can with this system kill systems that are windows 10.0, 10.1 etc, that only last big update have updates coming up, thanks to that they don't need to focus on older "versions".
There was 14 releases of windows 10, and now only last update is having updates, where in windows 7 even if you did not had service pack 3 it was still possible to get updates.
So from Your point and My speculation now we have windows 10.18 (or 10.16 if we treat win 21h2 and 22h2 as whole, not win 10 and 11 as standalone) called windows 11 24h2, and last 3 "major"-new release have updates -.- 22h2, 23h2, 24h2.
Now I'm curious if the updates on for example windows 22h2 cause win11 and 10 has that "update" are similar or the same (I mean lesser updates).

 

[vigor]

Can I install and use winaero on already installed win 11 and is it safe?

 

[Athlonite]

now just how to figure out how to restore control panel to its glory.

Er what control panel is still there just like it was in earlier versions of Windows

and it still works just like it used to

 

[lexluthermiester]

Er what control panel is still there just like it was in earlier versions of Windows
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and it still works just like it used to

I glossed over that for a reason.

 

[eidairaman1]

Er what control panel is still there just like it was in earlier versions of Windows
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and it still works just like it used to

I know of that but im saying stuff in settings restored to it. Also ms is trying to eliminate cp

 

[lexluthermiester]

I know of that but im saying stuff in settings restored to it. Also ms is trying to eliminate cp

There's too much resistance to that. Way too many power users, admins, corps and govs want and need the fine grains controls.

 

[tpa-pr]

There's too much resistance to that. Way too many power users, admins, corps and govs want and need the fine grains controls.

I think the expectation from Microsoft's side is "just use PowerShell/WMI for that". WMI has its tendrils all through Windows, PowerShell has its tendrils through everything Microsoft including the cloud.

 

[Super XP]

Been on Windows 11 Pro x64 (Clean Install & Upgrade) and all I got was random BSOD. Everything was updated, drivers, sound cards etc., and I lived with this for about a year or so. What made me go back to Windows 10 Pro x64 was S.T.A.L.K.E.R.2. That game would crash, crash & crash in Windows 11. No matter what I do. Dumped Windows 11 and did a fresh install of Windows 10 and crashes went to ZERO. Literally, Windows 11 is broken & unstable.
Another issue I realized rather quickly was my Creative Sound Blaster card, in Windows 11 it showed 5.1 HD Surround Sound, but still sounded funny to me. After Windows 10, I realized that it showed 5.1HD Surround Sound, but played in 2CH Stereo Sound. In Windows 10 it sounds 100X so much better & now I can actually hear NPCs beside me or gun shot sounds, or anything in a 5.1HD surround sound environment.

To sum it all up, Windows 11 = Trash, Windows 10 100x Better at the moment. What should Micro$oft do? Go back to Windows 10.

 

[theFOoL]

Yet we All know they said "WiN10 *Will be the Last""

 

[lexluthermiester]

I think the expectation from Microsoft's side is "just use PowerShell/WMI for that".

That's a stupid expectation on the part of microsoft when perfectly functional interfaces already exist. I'm not a "PS/WMI" kind of guy. They can cram that were the sun doesn't shine.

 

[fevgatos]

A very difficult question, I can never decide, which is why I run Windows 10 on the top monitor and 11 on the bottom one.


I really like these kinds of topics, "clean install" always makes me laugh... or when you have a guest who's a computer illiterate, you launch a Windows VM with GPU passthrough on all screens and ask them what will happen if you click "shut down the system."

 

[tpa-pr]

@tpa-pr thanks a lot for the comprehensive reply, much obliged. I guess I will give it a whirl and do a lil' test ride first...

Unfortunately it seems I spoke too soon on point #2 https://www.theverge.com/news/638967/microsoft-windows-11-account-internet-bypass-blocked

 

[cinemaware]

Unfortunately it seems I spoke too soon on point #2 https://www.theverge.com/news/638967/microsoft-windows-11-account-internet-bypass-blocked

A*****s. Well, what's a girl to do. There is no way I will agree on logging in to an OS with a working email account, what with being a privacy freak, so ...
-wait in hope that some sort of new bypass will emerge
-make a throwaway account just for that cancerous instance
-??? any other ideas?

BTW, how does it actually work after install? Do you have to use this account for login into windows?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Unfortunately it seems I spoke too soon on point #2 https://www.theverge.com/news/638967/microsoft-windows-11-account-internet-bypass-blocked

This is moronic.

@ microsoft
Go eff your mentally deficient selves. This will not be tolerated.

 

[Hesychius]

I've never had any issue with Win 11. Win 10 is going to be deprecated soon (or is it already?), so I don't see the point in installing it. Reminds me of the same conversations for every single windows version getting out.
Windows 3.11? "Omg Dos so much more stable"
Windows 95? "So buggy!"
Windows 98? Ok this one was cool
Windows ME? "OMG windows 98 so much better"
Windows 2000? "OMG nothing's compatible"
Windows 7? "Omg it's so slow"
Windows 10? "Omg so bloated"
Windows 11? "Omg Win10 so much better"

Yet you would never go back to anyone of them.

You forgot Windows 98 SE.. That was the"cool"one. Also, left out XP and Vista which sucked until SP2 (Vista SP2 was pretty much W7). And Windows 7 and XP were and continue to be legendary.
W11 does indeed suck though

 

[lemonadesoda]

W10 LTSC buy while you can

 

[cinemaware]

This will not be tolerated.

It already has been for quite some time. Normal people don't care, those like us who oppose it are an irrelevant minority.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It already has been for quite some time.

No it hasn't. Those of use who find it intolerable, bypassed it.

Normal people don't care

That only shows your lack of understanding.

those like us who oppose it are an irrelevant minority.

Minority perhaps..

 

[Dahita]

Vista SP2 was pretty much W7

We're no longer friends.

 

[lexluthermiester]

We're no longer friends.

They're not fair off. Vista SP2 was on par with 7 performance wise. The UI was still different...

 

[tpa-pr]

They're not fair off. Vista SP2 was on par with 7 performance wise. The UI was still different...

I think Windows 7 was when they started stripping cruft out of the kernel wasn't it? I forget the name of the project but i'm sure I remember discussion that the Windows 7 kernel was modularized and a lot of cruft was stripped out of it (which was originally a Longhorn idea that never came to fruition?) and as such performance was better than Vista.

EDIT: I was incorrect, it started in Windows Vista and the project was called "MinWin".

 

[Dahita]

They're not fair off. Vista SP2 was on par with 7 performance wise. The UI was still different...

NOTHING will make Vista worth it. Think about it; the "redeemable" factor here is the SP2 making it "almost" as good at its bigger brother that came out great from the get-go. Come on. Everyone hated Vista, and I'm all for redemption but there's no ground for it. NONE!