Windows 11 24H2 is driving people to Linux

[LabRat 891]

I mean, it’s really not a big issue seeing as it’s just one PS command away for that, last I checked.

I do need to give credit to MSFT on drastically increasing the utility and simplicity of Administrating through PowerShell. Copy-paste some commands, and you can customize whatever level of 'bloat' or features one wants.

I will actually defend MS on this - any large feature update is in testing for almost a year prior to broad channel release. Anyone who writes software as a business and cannot be assed to check whether their shit works properly on the next major release of the single most used desktop OS is absolutely incompetent and MS isn’t at fault here. Not to mention that properly made software should NOT break on an OS update anyway.

Ehhhh...
When what breaks has been stuff like common and currently-supported drivers or Steam UI, I tend to blame MS a bit more.
When it's something like a legacy device that was JUST BARELY made to work broke, that's on me.

I see your point though. To elaborate:
I still think Vista's bad reputation was *primarily* from 3rd parties and partners dragging their feet on competent support for the new Kernel and Drive model(s), plus SIs/OEMs putting it onto woefully inadequate hardware (kinda the opposite of 11's 'compatibility issues' ).

2nd generation Ryzen is Zen+. Microsoft didn't ban Zen+. I can confirm that for 11, as I tested my Ryzen 5 2600, before putting in the Ryzen 7 3700X into my A320 build.

Raven Ridge APUs are not Zen+, they are Zen.

HOWEVER

Even though Zen "2000series APUs" are not on MSFT's Win11's official CPU support list
The Athlon 3000G and Ryzen 3 3200U are.
Which, are Raven Ridge-Zen.

So, yes. MSFT just pulled down their compatibility list based off release date, or a major misunderstanding of 'generations' on AMD's lineups.

@3valatzy
By MSFT's own official support list, Raven Ridge APUs are supported by Windows 11.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Raven Ridge APUs are not Zen+, they are Zen.

The Gs are a special case. Of course, the G-chips are based on a generation before! Just like Ryzen 3 3200G is not based on Zen2.

Ryzen 3 3200G is based on Zen+, IIRC. It's code named Picasso.

The laptop version, looks a lot different than the desktop version of course. "U" is a laptop version that's made for low clocks. "U" is a very-low-watt version.

 

[LabRat 891]

The Gs are a special case. Of course, the G-chips are based on a generation before! Just like Ryzen 3 3200G is not based on Zen2.

Ryzen 3 3200G is based on Zen+, IIRC. It's code named Picasso.

The laptop version, looks a lot different than the desktop version of course. "U" is a laptop version that's made for low clocks. "U" is a very-low-watt version.

Close enuff.

It's really not much an issue for many gamers/enthusiasts/power users but,
AMD had and has a *mess* of non-sequitur uArch SKUs.

 

[GoldenX]

Every single Zen generation in the 7000 series naming.

 

[LabRat 891]

Every single Zen generation in the 7000 series naming.

Nearly, yes.

AMD’s Ryzen 7000 laptop CPU lineup is a bewildering patchwork of old and new

Four CPU architectures and three GPU architectures get mixed-and-matched.

arstechnica.com

Zen2, Zen3, Zen3+, Zen4, and probably more since that article was written.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Ironically, when I bypassed the system check and installed W11 on my unsupported Ivy Bridge E setup, it actually performed way better than the Adler Lake work machine. I think scheduling is also an issue, and only P cores sure seems to make life simpler. My work PC seems to never use the P+E all that well.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Some of the confusion, reminds me of Renoir and Vermeer.

 

[Onasi]

@Darmok N Jalad
Might be scheduling, true, but overall, from all I’ve seen and tried, 24H2 is actually surprisingly snappy on older hardware. Might unironically be the best Windows version for outdated/lower powered machines that still gets MS support. Well, that and 10 LTSCs, I suppose.

 

[LabRat 891]

Ironically, when I bypassed the system check and installed W11 on my unsupported Ivy Bridge E setup, it actually performed way better than the Adler Lake work machine. I think scheduling is also an issue, and only P cores sure seems to make life simpler. My work PC seems to never use the P+E all that well.

Intriguing.
Ivy Bridge (and to a lesser degree Sandy Bridge) have notably low overall system latency.
-and were amongst the last generations with (what I'd call) 'simple' dynamic clocking.

@Darmok N Jalad
Might be scheduling, true, but overall, from all I’ve seen and tried, 24H2 is actually surprisingly snappy on older hardware. Might unironically be the best Windows version for outdated/lower powered machines that still gets MS support. Well, that and 10 LTSCs, I suppose.

Older systems typically have simpler dynamic frequency adjustment, and overall lower roundabout latency. I'm sensing a pattern... Does Windows 11 *actually* not like modern hardware?

note to self: Eventually try Win11+Win10 dual boot on i7-3770k build.