Windows 11 General Discussion

[lexluthermiester]

Any specific examples?

You mean that I haven't already detailed elsewhere in this thread? A few. Most are easily uninstalled, but some take more effort.

 

[Nordic]

any fresh install fells snappier, it was has been like that... it also makes sense in every way

I used to do fresh installs annually with Vista and W7. This feels different. Windows 8 and 10 never made me feel like I needed to do a fresh install. The reset feature was a godsend.

 

[Mussels]

Any specific examples?

I'll agree with lex on this - great OS, easy to install, un-needed bloat

1. The OS install is stupidly easy compared to XP or 7.
2. The ability to do offline vs online accounts is present, but annoying
3. Once you're online, it grabs everything it could possibly need from the internet (drivers etc) better than any prior OS
4. Then it downloads some stupid bloatware like the weather app, online search bars, teams, and apparently chatGPT now

The main problem is theres no simple opt out, you need to disable and uninstall each one manually - as the tools and scripts to do it for you almost always go overboard (removing the windows store entirely is a terrible idea if you play games from there)

It's not a nightmare situation because it's entirely within any users power to do these things - but its a PITA for multiple machines, for the things that don't sync account based (Like i ditch one drive, but new installs always add it back and instantly start syncing things i dont want synced)

 

[Bomby569]

I'll agree with lex on this - great OS, easy to install, un-needed bloat

1. The OS install is stupidly easy compared to XP or 7.
2. The ability to do offline vs online accounts is present, but annoying
3. Once you're online, it grabs everything it could possibly need from the internet (drivers etc) better than any prior OS
4. Then it downloads some stupid bloatware like the weather app, online search bars, teams, and apparently chatGPT now

The main problem is theres no simple opt out, you need to disable and uninstall each one manually - as the tools and scripts to do it for you almost always go overboard (removing the windows store entirely is a terrible idea if you play games from there)

It's not a nightmare situation because it's entirely within any users power to do these things - but its a PITA for multiple machines, for the things that don't sync account based (Like i ditch one drive, but new installs always add it back and instantly start syncing things i dont want synced)

Now that windows pricing changed, you no longer have to pay full price like before in general, i think it will only get worst. You are the product now, telemetry, forcing one drive, chatgpt, etc... It's not a flaw it's intentional design and i bet it will get worst and never better from now on.

 

[Mussels]

I'm still using old AF keys from 7 and 8, i havent paid for windows in a long long time


Some of the telemetry is needed, to keep on track of antivirus
Some is... intermediate, where they use it to help focus on fixing problems or commonly used features (location -> weather widget)

So far no real signs they're using telemetry to harvest personal data, give you ads etc

They're adding things in they think the business world wants, but giving it to home users. That's the mistake.

 

[Bomby569]

I'm still using old AF keys from 7 and 8, i havent paid for windows in a long long time


Some of the telemetry is needed, to keep on track of antivirus
Some is... intermediate, where they use it to help focus on fixing problems or commonly used features (location -> weather widget)

So far no real signs they're using telemetry to harvest personal data, give you ads etc

They're adding things in they think the business world wants, but giving it to home users. That's the mistake.

Call me sceptical but i doubt they are a non profit now
They are making more profit than ever, including the windows division. How do they charge less and make more money? i think the answer is obvious

 

[Nordic]

You mean that I haven't already detailed elsewhere in this thread? A few. Most are easily uninstalled, but some take more effort.

Unfortunately, I have not read all 169 pages of this thread. I can use the search function though. Thanks for letting me know where to look.

Call me sceptical but i doubt they are a non profit now
They are making more profit than ever, including the windows division. How do they charge less and make more money? i think the answer is obvious

You know that public corporations like this have their financials available for anyone to read, if you can get past the accounting jargon, right? This reminds me of people who clamor to audit the US Pentagon or Federal Reserve and ignore the multiple audits those organizations have had over the last two decades. Even back in XP, Vista, and 7 days Microsoft had an open policy of encouraging people to pirate Windows because they would rather people use pirated windows than another OS. To this day Microsoft makes it absurdly easy to go 6 months or more without activating Windows.

 

[Bomby569]

Unfortunately, I have not read all 169 pages of this thread. I can use the search function though. Thanks for letting me know where to look.

You know that public corporations like this have their financials available for anyone to read, if you can get past the accounting jargon, right? This reminds me of people who clamor to audit the US Pentagon or Federal Reserve and ignore the multiple audits those organizations have had over the last two decades. Even back in XP, Vista, and 7 days Microsoft had an open policy of encouraging people to pirate Windows because they would rather people use pirated windows than another OS. To this day Microsoft makes it absurdly easy to go 6 months or more without activating Windows.

List of audited companies that were scams, massive frauds, for years. I can start with one of the most famous, you can complete with all the others. After all, every scam/fraud of big listed companies were audited by some gigantic reputable auditing firm:
-Enron
-...

i don't understand what that has to do with how they get their money. Facebook was selling customers data and they obviously didn't create a line in the accounting "selling customer data to Cambridge analytica", it will obviously be something innocuous

 

[R-T-B]

List of audited companies that were scams, massive frauds, for years. I can start with one of the most famous, you can complete with all the others. After all, every scam/fraud of big listed companies were audited by some gigantic reputable auditing firm:
-Enron
-...

i don't understand what that has to do with how they get their money. Facebook was selling customers data and they obviously didn't create a line in the accounting "selling customer data to Cambridge analytica", it will obviously be something innocuous

I mean it's way too easy to be a cynic if your criteria is "one audit was bad so can't trust any at all," yeah.

btw, audits are what caught enron.

 

[Bomby569]

I mean it's way too easy to be a cynic if your criteria is "one audit was bad so can't trust any at all," yeah.

btw, audits are what caught enron.

no, i say you can't trust them exactly because they don't work, and Enron was going on for years before anyone caught anything. It wasn't the audit that encovered, and AA did worst, not only they didn't caught it for years as they started shredding documents after it was uncovered, and they were found guilty of doing it
I'm sure they did it because they were incredible good at their job, it was to celebrate, throw them out of the window to party.

 

[Shou Miko]

Has anyone tried AtlasOS or ReviOS? (Know that AtlasOS 11 ain't out yet)

These you don't need to download a modded ISO but you can install them directly onto a fresh installed Windows OS.

AtlastOS: https://atlasos.net/
ReviOS: https://www.revi.cc/

 

[Bomby569]

Has anyone tried AtlasOS or ReviOS? (Know that AtlasOS 11 ain't out yet)

These you don't need to download a modded ISO but you can install them directly onto a fresh installed Windows OS.

AtlastOS: https://atlasos.net/
ReviOS: https://www.revi.cc/

linus did a video, sponsor i think, about atlas, for a daily driver not sure it's the best idea, lots of things don't work, like updates.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Unfortunately, I have not read all 169 pages of this thread. I can use the search function though. Thanks for letting me know where to look.

Sorry, it's just that such a list is a long one and keeps changing. It's best to just remove what you don't want on your system and if you have trouble come ask about it.

 

[nomdeplume]

Let's be honest, the following...

...is what most people see.

For anything 16GB and above, more than 4096MB pagefile is a waste of space. My general methodology and school of thought is as follows:

System RAM = 8GB -> 12GB : 4096MB Pagefile.

System RAM = 12GB -> 16GB : 3072MB Pagefile.

System RAM = 16GB -> 32GB : 2048MB Pagefile.

System RAM = 32GB -> 64GB+ : 1024MB

IF System RAM heavy programs are being used and the pagefile keeps getting hit(very rare), I'll increase the pagefile by 1024MB steps
until utilization drops below 75%. More RAM will then be installed as soon as is possible and the settings with then be adjusted back down.
If the primary OS drive is an HDD, a defrag operation will be run manually. If the drive is an SSD, no further action is taken.

I'm still stuck on this point even after discussing it with one of the mods. The above seems to align with my experience but until recently I never pushed up against the mechanisms in play.

My PF keeps inflating further and further up beyond double amount of RAM I have installed during gaming - set on auto. I deeply want to believe quadrupling system memory will have the effect of bringing it down to your stated 1024MB - 2048MB so I can move on to worrying about other things than premature wear to OS (SSD) drive from being hit so heavily for hours at a time.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm still stuck on this point even after discussing it with one of the mods. The above seems to align with my experience but until recently I never pushed up against the mechanisms in play.

My PF keeps inflating further and further up beyond double amount of RAM I have installed during gaming - set on auto. I deeply want to believe quadrupling system memory will have the effect of bringing it down to your stated 1024MB - 2048MB so I can move on to worrying about other things than premature wear to OS (SSD) drive from being hit so heavily for hours at a time.

Well for starters, it does greatly depend on what you're doing. More intensive programs will naturally need more resources. RAM is cheap right now, get more and set your pagefile. See what happens. The only way to know is to give it a go.

 

[Klemc]

How about services failing if disabled for Win 11, will we find the culprist ?

 

[R-T-B]

How about services failing if disabled for Win 11, will we find the culprist ?

I think the culprit posts here.

 

[lexluthermiester]

How about services failing if disabled for Win 11, will we find the culprist ?

A service can't fail if it never starts due to being disabled.

 

[Klemc]

A service can't fail if it never starts due to being disabled.

Yes, but i it was badly phrased, sorry, Windows 11 fails if one of this services i listed is disabled... and Win 10 doesn't reacts like that with same services disabled.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes, but i it was badly phrased, sorry

No worries.

Windows 11 fails if one of this services i listed is disabled... and Win 10 doesn't reacts like that with same services disabled.

Yes, true. I'm still sorting through your list. It's taking a while because testing is a slow process.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Anyone seen this bug with the installer when ran from USB? It's apparently being blamed on Moment 2. There is error 0xC0000005 at 60% file preparation mark=It happens constantly on MSI Z490 Tomahawk with Core i5 10600K, but is OK with ASRock X570 Steel Legend with Ryzen 5 5600X. *

*- Looks like it only happens with ISOs including the latest updates.

Before saying CPU core instability, I checked by using an older 11 22H2 installation media and it gets past this. Also, it wasn't Intel Arc graphics causing this error.

 

[Bomby569]

EA seems to be guilt shaming us from not upgrading to W11. I guess everyone is doing his part

 

[Klemc]

EA seems to be guilt shaming us from not upgrading to W11. I guess everyone is doing his part

Windows 95/98 = OLD
Millelium = BAD
XP = GOOD
Vista = BAD
Seven = GOOD
Ten = GOOD
Eleven = BAD
Twelve = ?

Eleven looks like fork of Ten, Twelve could be good.

 

[Bomby569]

Windows 95/98 = OLD
Millelium = BAD
XP = GOOD
Vista = BAD
Seven = GOOD
Ten = GOOD
Eleven = BAD
Twelve = ?

Eleven looks like fork of Ten, Twelve could be good.

i missed Vista and Eight all together but honestly i don't remember the "you can't play this game because you didn't upgrade the OS" BS

 

[theFOoL]

you can't play this game because you didn't upgrade the OS

LMAO