Windows 11 General Discussion

[lexluthermiester]

I'm sorry if this goes against your specific beliefs and knowledge of Windows.
I also edited my smirks making fun of the windows naming which has been widely used since XP. It's a joke. Loosen your puckered rear would ya?

Are you done trolling or do I need to ask the mods to help you out?

 

[iameatingjam]

No. For the moment, I strongly suggest you stay on 23H2 until at least April or May.

I meant I will update my post. Sorry looking back I can see how the context makes it look different. Edited for clarification.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I meant I will update my post. Sorry looking back I can see how the context makes it look different. Edited for clarification.

Oh, ok.

 

[iameatingjam]

Hmmm... Look up WAU OK and see what appears in the program. Also Windows script

Oh thank you very much I did not know such a thing existed.

 

[Epaminombas]

Well since I brought it up I started thinking about it and decided to give it a try, putting win 11 on my 7300U dell 5480 latitute laptop, though I'm not sure why really. I was lazy and used the upgrade option. I'm using it right now. It was incredibly seemless... other than a slow setup (probably the old sata m.2, this laptop has all my unwanted/slow/failure storage devices still capable of storing media files - as its a tv essentially).

But anyway, once it finished it felt snappy, it even remembers all my settings, impressive. I've always done clean installs before. Never upgraded windows this way. It didn't even reconstitute one drive, awesome. Just had to restore the win 10 context menu.

Only been using for 30 minutes but everything feels good so far. I went and grabbed 23H2 as I'm still kinda hesitant about 24H2. It might have been a mistake since you never know when a new method will need to be developed/discovered to bypass the restrictions. Buuuuut I use 23H2 on my main pc and I'm comfortable with it so thats what I did.

Can confirm windows updates don't seem to work. Looks like it wants to update me from 23h2 to 22h2 ????. But I expected that....

Will update if I run into any other problems. [Edit: I mean I will update my post or make a new one, not update to 24h2]

7th Generation Intel is not officially supported.

In its place I would format and install Windows 10 22H2.

Windows 11 is only recommended for Intel 10/11/12/13/14/200
Ryzen 3000/5000/6000/7000/8000/9000

RTX 2000/3000/4000/5000 GPUs
AMD
AMD 5000/6000/7000/8000/9000 GPUs

I had no problems with Windows 11 24H2 and I installed it on 12 different PCs.

People who had a bug are because they sabotaged the system

Hmmm... Look up WAU OK and see what appears in the program. Also Windows script

It is exactly this type of program that causes strange bugs in Windows 10/11. The person starts by installing 1, then 2, then 3, then 4. The system becomes a mess.
Then that same person doesn't know why their windows are so bad to use.

There are a fair number of people that are. 24H2 has been very problematic.

I highly doubt that these problems were not caused by themselves.

Since the launch of Windows 10, every build released people complain about bugs and when you see it it's because there is a program or several programs in the background that are not part of Windows causing stability problems.

 

[Onasi]

@Epaminombas
Mate, you realize you are on tech enthusiast forum where there are people who have more experience with different versions of Windows and their inner workings than you probably ever will have (making an assumption here)? We kind if don’t DO “just be a good boy and follow MS asinine requirements” here.

I highly doubt that these problems were not caused by themselves

Lolno, there were plenty of issues officially acknowledged by MS both for client SKUs and Enterprise ones. Sone still linger. I didn’t experience any myself on personal rigs, but dismissing them by saying people caused them themselves is blatantly wrong.

 

[Epaminombas]

@Epaminombas
Mate, you realize you are on tech enthusiast forum where there are people who have more experience with different versions of Windows and their inner workings than you probably ever will have (making an assumption here)? We kind if don’t DO “just be a good boy and follow MS asinine requirements” here.


Lolno, there were plenty of issues officially acknowledged by MS both for client SKUs and Enterprise ones. Sone still linger. I didn’t experience any myself on personal rigs, but dismissing them by saying people caused them themselves is blatantly wrong.

What people are complaining about are not the official bugs that are already known. These are strange bugs that they cause when they install software that messes with the integrity of Windows.

Saying in a generalized way that people have bugs is not ideal. Because each case is a very specific case in which 99% of the cases it was the person themselves who didn't know how to configure it correctly.

On the Linux Forums, people post their problem and others try to identify what caused it.

Here people accept that Windows is buggy because it is, without trying to understand what caused the bug. They are reluctant to look at themselves and try to improve.

 

[theFOoL]

Dude cry me a River nothing is perfect but at least I haven't had any issues. Sure the whole Settings UI I had to get use to but yeah

 

[Epaminombas]

Dude cry me a River nothing is perfect but at least I haven't had any issues. Sure the whole Settings UI I had to get use to but yeah

It's not a question of crying. You just installed it and think everything is fine on your system. I give you 4 ~ 6 months to come and complain about something strange happening in your Windows and you say that it's Microsoft's fault.
And then someone asks what suspicious things you have installed and you say that you only use original things and that you don't modify your Windows in any way.

I've seen several cases of this type.

Then you keep recommending this type of program to other people who are more layman than you.

And they still think that there are super technical people here who know what they are doing.


Do you want to use it? use it, do you want to recommend it to someone? recommend it but don't say that it is safe and stable in the long term.

You can't even know if you don't install a keylogger with this program. It disables Windows security, opening holes and doors for third-party infections that want to install things remotely on your Windows.

 

[iameatingjam]

7th Generation Intel is not officially supported.

Yeah that was kind of the point of doing it and reporting on it....

I downloaded 23h2 and used rufus to transfer to usb, and it has an option to bypass limitations. I also did a registry tweak I found online, not sure which one worked or if either would have.

Anyway, windows update doesn't work but I was shown a third party windows updater for security patches and whatnot ( which is a huge relief... I was afraid I'd have to reinstall every time my version got too out of date).

But if something goes wrong I'll just install a different OS. Since its just a media machine, any should do, perhaps linux. But I've had no issues yet, hasn't even been 24 hours though, we'll see....

 

[MrEmoto]

Greetings all!
I am trying to find out whether my old HP, (originally Win 7, but now with Win 10 Pro and an SSD) that is still soldiering along with an AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 Processor 3.00 GHz will run Win 11. I understand that I can get around some of the "requirements" by using Rufus, but what is not clear to me is whether my old CPU (that Microsoft flags as not meeting Win 11 requirements) will run Win 11 anyway.

Thanks for any insight or pointers you can share!

 

[RUSerious]

I'm not just talking about programs that modify the UI interface. I'm also talking about other programs that modify what you don't see and that are clearly suspicious and claim that they will unlock performance and FPS. They claim to protect you against the evil Microsoft that wants your credit card and bank account details huhuhuhu.

I don't use anything else but a UI utility. So, maybe others I suppose. I'm 99.9% sure that my problems are due to issues with 24H2 and subsequent patches. 23H2 was more stable. As a FWIW, I had more tweaks running with WinXP - and that was solid as a rock (after SP1).

 

[Epaminombas]

Greetings all!
I am trying to find out whether my old HP, (originally Win 7, but now with Win 10 Pro and an SSD) that is still soldiering along with an AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 640 Processor 3.00 GHz will run Win 11. I understand that I can get around some of the "requirements" by using Rufus, but what is not clear to me is whether my old CPU (that Microsoft flags as not meeting Win 11 requirements) will run Win 11 anyway.

Thanks for any insight or pointers you can share!

Windows 10 22H2 is perfect for older hardware. You will not get any bonuses using Windows 11.

Windows 10 works well with Sata SSD and 8Gb Ram
Windows 11 works well with NVMe SSD and 16Gb Ram.

No need to force Windows 11 on old hardware

I don't use anything else but a UI utility. So, maybe others I suppose. I'm 99.9% sure that my problems are due to issues with 24H2 and subsequent patches. 23H2 was more stable. As a FWIW, I had more tweaks running with WinXP - and that was solid as a rock (after SP1).

You have an Asus ROG Dark Hero x570, right?

Is the BIOS on the most current version 5002?

Are the NVMe firmware updated?

Do you have any System Integrity Backup partitions from an old Windows installation?

Are UEFI, SecureBoot User Mode, TPM and Virtualization enabled?

HWINFO


As soon as you installed Windows 11 24H2, did you do 100% of the updates before starting to use it??
Did you let Windows Update install the drivers?

Did you know how to install the missing drivers from the Asus website?

Could you take a photo of your installed programs?

 

[R-T-B]

What's new in Windows 11, version 24H2 for IT pros

Learn more about what's new in Windows 11 version 24H2, including servicing updates, Windows Subsystem for Linux, the latest CSPs, and more.

learn.microsoft.com

Microsoft is introducing checkpoint cumulative updates, a new servicing model that enables devices running Windows 11, version 24H2 or later to save time, bandwidth and hard drive space when getting features and security enhancements via the latest cumulative update. Previously, the cumulative updates contained all changes to the binaries since the last release to manufacturing (RTM) version. The size of the cumulative updates could grow large over time since RTM was used as the baseline for each update.

With checkpoint cumulative updates, the update file level differentials are based on a previous cumulative update instead of the RTM release. Cumulative updates that serve as a checkpoint will be released periodically. Using a checkpoint rather than RTM means the subsequent update packages are smaller, which makes downloads and installations faster. Using a checkpoint also means that in order for a device to install the latest cumulative update, the installation of a prerequisite cumulative update might be required. For more information about checkpoint cumulative updates

We were talking about Vista though?

 

[iameatingjam]

Windows 10 22H2 is perfect for older hardware. You will not get any bonuses using Windows 11.

Windows 10 works well with Sata SSD and 8Gb Ram
Windows 11 works well with NVMe SSD and 16Gb Ram.

No need to force Windows 11 on old hardware

Just installed win 11 on my 7300U laptop and its boot drive is a m.2 sata and a really shitty one. Speeds are ~half of a normal sata ssd. I really should get the boot drive moved to the other internal ssd.... but anyway, point being, I don't think nvme is needed for good win 11 performance.

Then again I am only doing very basic tasks so maybe you are right in more demanding conditions, but idk, if it was an actual good sata ssd its hard to imagine there being a problem.... Though I suppose you didn't directly say that but your post kinda implies it.

But you're probably right on the ram point. Haven't tried it but I wouldn't want win 11 running with only 8gb. Considering what browsers suck down these days.... Before this laptop I had a pentium from ~2011. At first it had 4GB and I had to limit myself to just a couple tabs. But once I got an ssd and 16GB in there, it felt like a totally different machine. I would still be using it today if it didn't get water damaged during a trip.

I'm not saying win 11 should be put on that machine - I'm not sure in that case. Unsupported OS' can continue to be used but there will be more risk with web browsing without new patches. A modern security focused browser with adblocker would help. Perhaps also a good third party AV. Still wont completely make up for it though.

 

[RUSerious]

You have an Asus ROG Dark Hero x570, right? YES

Is the BIOS on the most current version 5002? NO, previous version - there are no stability updates indicated.

Are the NVMe firmware updated? YES

Do you have any System Integrity Backup partitions from an old Windows installation? NO. I use Macrium Reflect and do regular full and incremental backups.

Are UEFI, SecureBoot User Mode, TPM and Virtualization enabled? YES


As soon as you installed Windows 11 24H2, did you do 100% of the updates before starting to use it?? YES
Did you let Windows Update install the drivers? YES, except for GFX and Network drivers.

Did you know how to install the missing drivers from the Asus website? I do not have any missing drivers (per device manager)

Could you take a photo of your installed programs? LOL - NO! Too many. I use allot of software. It'll take around ~8 hours for me to get it all re-installed and all my settings back.

Thanks, but I've already decided to so a clean install. Needs be done from time to time in my experience (Except WinNT4.0 and Win2000, which were very solid). PPL who just browse the web and use MS Office and a few other programs (like my wife) do often have fewer problems.

 

[MrEmoto]

Windows 10 22H2 is perfect for older hardware. You will not get any bonuses using Windows 11.

Windows 10 works well with Sata SSD and 8Gb Ram
Windows 11 works well with NVMe SSD and 16Gb Ram.

No need to force Windows 11 on old hardware


You have an Asus ROG Dark Hero x570, right?

...

My SSD is SATA and with 16GB of RAM it does work fine for my needs, on Win 10. I was thinking of going to Win 11 after October, just to be on a supported OS. I am not alarmed to be without support, but figured it would not cost me much, so why not. I just don't know if my CPU will run Win 11.

I believe the motherboard is an Erica2, but I should power down and open the case to be 100% sure. I'm about 99.9% sure, but HP has done away with the support page I had bookmarked.

Just installed win 11 on my 7300U laptop and its boot drive is a m.2 sata and a really shitty one. Speeds are ~half of a normal sata ssd. I really should get the boot drive moved to the other internal ssd.... but anyway, point being, I don't think nvme is needed for good win 11 performance.

Then again I am only doing very basic tasks so maybe you are right in more demanding conditions, but idk, if it was an actual good sata ssd its hard to imagine there being a problem.... Though I suppose you didn't directly say that but your post kinda implies it.

But you're probably right on the ram point. Haven't tried it but I wouldn't want win 11 running with only 8gb. Considering what browsers suck down these days.... Before this laptop I had a pentium from ~2011. At first it had 4GB and I had to limit myself to just a couple tabs. But once I got an ssd and 16GB in there, it felt like a totally different machine. I would still be using it today if it didn't get water damaged during a trip.

I'm not saying win 11 should be put on that machine - I'm not sure in that case. Unsupported OS' can continue to be used but there will be more risk with web browsing without new patches. A modern security focused browser with adblocker would help. Perhaps also a good third party AV. Still wont completely make up for it though.

I tend to use Brave, but would certainly consider whatever might be better.