Windows 11 General Discussion

[bobbybluz]

I've been using this on Win 10 & 11 for years to block automatic updates. It works great. I enable updates only when needed.
Windows Update Blocker v1.8

 

[R-T-B]

Do you recall that registry key because in 2022 I did alot of tweaking to W11 in settings and registry, and it still got updates... Im really am thinking about having a debloat which guts windows update, and I just use powershell to install necessary security only updates, then an Aero glass Tool and maybe a control panel only tool lol

Yeah, the main setting is in group policy but it alone doesn't stop driver updates, just normal updates. I'll post the key you need in a second with an edit to this post. Also you need your "Device Installation Settings" set to not search for driver updates (usually typing "Device Inst" in the search box will display this dialog as the first result which I have no idea where they hid it otherwise). But between the regkey I'm about to post, the gpedit.msc setting of Disabled Automatic Updates, and that weird setting I just described, nothing has snuck up on me in nearly a decade.

Sorry for the wait but I actually have to get home first to consult my trusty "Windows notes.txt" document.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah, the main setting is in group policy but it alone doesn't stop driver updates, just normal updates.

Nope, for that, one needs to disable the update service and the adjoining support services. This requires some registry fiddling and take ownership steps.

 

[R-T-B]

Nope, for that, one needs to disable the update service and the adjoining support services. This require some registry fiddling and take ownership steps.

I have never had to go that far (as long as gpedit works anyhow, so pro only). I'll post a guide shortly.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I have never had to go that far (as long as gpedit works anyhow, so pro only). I'll post a guide shortly.

I will watch with interest!

 

[Epaminombas]

Yes it is.
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You were saying?

And you would be very wrong. I have seen and had to fix them personally, many of them on FRESH untouched installs, not updates.

So again, you were saying?


Which was meandering off-topic anyway...

What you are showing are i9 extreme, a line for industry and professionals.

most 90% of motherboards in the normal Intel 7 and 8 generation line do not have TPM

They started launching motherboards that are 100% compatible with the new generation of Windows 11 from Intel 9 generation onwards.


If you had to fix PCs with Windows 11 problems, then the problem was not the system, but a problem involving bad drivers, a third-party program or a lack of update.

If you do a fresh installation of WIndows 11 and disable Updates then it will cause a lot of problems.
Now if you install 100% of the updates you will hardly have any problems.

 

[lexluthermiester]

What you are showing are i9 extreme, a line for industry and professionals.

You said there were no Intel 7th gen series CPU's supported. I showed otherwise. Are you really going to nitpick?

most 90% of motherboards in the normal Intel 7 and 8 generation line do not have TPM

Moose Muffins!

They started launching motherboards that are 100% compatible with the new generation of Windows 11 from Intel 9 generation onwards.

No, that started with Intel 8th gen as denoted from the EXTENSIVE list of 8th gen CPU's supported in that list above.

If you had to fix PCs with Windows 11 problems, then the problem was not the system, but a problem involving bad drivers, a third-party program or a lack of update.

That would only be true if rolling back to 23H2 didn't work. It does, so it's 24H2, not the users, not the drivers, not anything else. It's problems with the 24H2 build of Windows itself.

If you do a fresh installation of WIndows 11 and disable Updates then it will cause a lot of problems.

That's not the problem. How do I know? Because of client PC's that have completely default installs and STILL have issues.

Now if you install 100% of the updates you will hardly have any problems.

That's not the problem. And not everyone is having the same issues.

However, those issues all magically go away when the machines having issues are rolled back to 23H2. So the problem, and try to follow along here, is 24H2.

 

[Onasi]

What you are showing are i9 extreme, a line for industry and professionals.

Fucking what? HEDT was always prosumer, not industrial.

most 90% of motherboards in the normal Intel 7 and 8 generation line do not have TPM

Fucking what v2? Intel PTT (their fTPM implementation) has been going since LGA1151 in 2015.

They started launching motherboards that are 100% compatible with the new generation of Windows 11 from Intel 9 generation onwards.

All of “incompatibilities” were strictly MS induced fake limitations. The existence of LTSC IoT proves this definitively. Before you try moving the goalposts - it’s the same OS as any other 11 at its core, it absolutely counts.

If you had to fix PCs with Windows 11 problems, then the problem was not the system, but a problem involving bad drivers, a third-party program or a lack of update.

Only a complete fool deals in absolutes. You are legitimately on a wrong forum if this is your position by default. While often issues indeed arise because of user error, claiming that “Microsoft dindu nuffin” in year 2025 is laughable.

 

[Epaminombas]

You didn't give me an example of a bug you had in 24H2 and you didn't even show the event viewer to confirm that it was a Windows process that caused this.

Microsoft wouldn't release a final version of Windows with so many problems.

And updating from above always has a chance of causing problems. Formatting is always the best way.

And this isn't exclusive to Windows.

iMac, iOS, Android, Linux always cause strange problems when you update from above.

So much so that if you go to an Apple store and complain that the update caused a problem, the first thing they do is format your iMac with a USB stick.

 

[Onasi]

You didn't give me an example of a bug you had in 24H2 and you didn't even show the event viewer to confirm that it was a Windows process that caused this.

Are you now replying to a wrong person? Because I said straight up that I had no issues with 24H2 on my personal rig. At work though? Fucking 24H2 still has issues pulling GPs from our domain controller unless forced via registry tweaks to kerberos. Why? Because MS just randomly changed how that bit of encryption works. I have no idea if that even was intentional. But, you know, I manage. No thanks to MS. I just take issue with your overall point, lack of knowledge and boiling down everything to a “it’s always the user who is at fault, just run Windows as MS recommends and you will have no problems”. Which is a ridiculous claim to make that even MS themselves seem to disagree with, seeing as how the most stable and dependable version by their own definitions is the one that explicitly DOES NOT require any of the TPM/VT/SafeBoot nonsense.

Microsoft wouldn't release a final version of Windows with so many problems.

Blud wasn’t here for ME or Vista, I suppose.

And updating from above always has a chance of causing problems. Formatting is always the best way.

You mean an in-place update, I suppose. Yeah, that’s often a recipe for issues. Though I have the same Win 11 install that I run since RTM that’s now on 24H2 and THAT never had issues, so… Oh, and it’s very, very non-MS stock, so I guess your point is once again moot.

Tl:dr - You are unironically a poster child for “knows just enough to be dangerous”. You are arguing cliches, often false, with people who know far more than you.

 

[windwhirl]

And to my ignore list they go.

Anyway. Windows 11 has it share of problems, some user generated, some Microsoft generated, some hardware manufacturers being dumbasses generated. And with trillions of trillions of hardware and software configurations combinations, even if the code was pristine, you'd still find someone with a problem not originated in PEBKAC.

 

[eidairaman1]

Yeah, the main setting is in group policy but it alone doesn't stop driver updates, just normal updates. I'll post the key you need in a second with an edit to this post. Also you need your "Device Installation Settings" set to not search for driver updates (usually typing "Device Inst" in the search box will display this dialog as the first result which I have no idea where they hid it otherwise). But between the regkey I'm about to post, the gpedit.msc setting of Disabled Automatic Updates, and that weird setting I just described, nothing has snuck up on me in nearly a decade.

Sorry for the wait but I actually have to get home first to consult my trusty "Windows notes.txt" document.

I will havetto go through gpedit and see again, and See if I did add a registry entry its been so long that i messed with that unit, it was just odd to see updates were pushed to it, it kind of makes me want to go nuclear option.

 

[Epaminombas]

Windows 10 supports Windows Server 2019 and 2022.

Windows 11 only supports Windows Server 2022 and 2025.

There are improvements in Windows Server 2025.

And your Windows Server needs to be updated to support Windows 11 24H2.

So I don't know how your work domain is configured.

There is also hybrid federation between Windows Server and Azure that gives you even more control over group policies between email/OneDrive accounts and Windows 11.

We are not going into details here.

Doesn't your company have an IT manager who takes care of Windows Server? AD? Federation? Email domain?

That's a problem for him to solve and not for Microsoft.

 

[Onasi]

Windows 10 supports Windows Server 2019 and 2022.

Windows 11 only supports Windows Server 2022 and 2025.

There are improvements in Windows Server 2025.

And your Windows Server needs to be updated to support Windows 11 24H2.

I literally told you what the problem is. It’s not the question of “support”. Our domain runs 2022. We’re not updating to 2025 right away just because MS broke a feature without telling anyone. The fact that the same GP config reception works just fine on 23H2 is indicative of a MS generated problem here.

There is also hybrid federation between Windows Server and Azure that gives you even more control over group policies between email/OneDrive accounts and Windows 11.

We are not running hybrid. Or fucking Azure. This work domain is not for email or OneDrive, it’s for actual meaningful things like research data sharing between workstations (running Enty builds) and collective control over complex scientific tools. The entire network is gated off and configured via the aforementioned domain manually. The fact that MS fucked up and made my work harder is on them.

Doesn't your company have an IT manager who takes care of Windows Server? AD? Federation? Email domain?

You’re speaking to one of those people.

That's a problem for him to solve and not for Microsoft.

Fuck right off with that. I already said that I found a workaround, but the fact remains that the feature is broken. I absolutely should not be required to manually change reg keys for kerberos because for some reason they forced RC4. And that’s just MY issue - I am hearing domain horror stories from a lot of my acquaintances, both on the server and post-join workstation side.

But yeah, I am ending this discussion. You are just clowning at this point and I have no desire to derail the thread.

 

[R-T-B]

I will watch with interest!

Sorry for the delay, I fell asleep lol. I am putting together a guide with screenshots now.

I don't know why you're so angry.

No one is angry. Maybe you, but no one else. We're just commenting on the fall in Q&A quality since they fired most of their Q&A team and began to rely more on "user feedback" and telemetry. And that is valid.

 

[fevgatos]

Microsoft wouldn't release a final version of Windows with so many problems.

And updating from above always has a chance of causing problems. Formatting is always the best way.

what is "updating from above"? maybe i dont know the definition

And this isn't exclusive to Windows.

iMac, iOS, Android, Linux always cause strange problems when you update from above.

nope, the combination of knowing exactly what you update, when, the logs, the abilility to downgrade certain packages, open source, dependencies between app and system packages, etc.. make Linux updates so much better and convinient. Also no - it does not break, that you have to reinstall it like close source os.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You didn't give me an example of a bug you had in 24H2 and you didn't even show the event viewer to confirm that it was a Windows process that caused this.

I don't need to. People have been having problems with 24H2 since it's release and such has been WELL documented elsewhere as well as being discussed here in this very thread. None of us answer to you bub. We don't owe you any explanations.

Microsoft wouldn't release a final version of Windows with so many problems.

Are you on drugs? Or have you been living under a rock your whole life? Seriously? Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10 and yes even Windows 11 have ALL been released with various problems that needed fixing. Where the hell have YOU been that you don't know this? Mars? Uranus?

And updating from above always has a chance of causing problems. Formatting is always the best way.

And this isn't exclusive to Windows.

iMac, iOS, Android, Linux always cause strange problems when you update from above.

So much so that if you go to an Apple store and complain that the update caused a problem, the first thing they do is format your iMac with a USB stick.

What is THIS drivel? News flash kid, not one OS ever has been perfect out of the box. Not one ever.

In data center environments and critical Linux server applications, no one goes out and updates the Linux kernel and operating system without first testing several times whether the application and database will fail.

Never compare a backyard Linux client that users are used to with serious Linux server environments.

Android is Linux and we know how problematic and buggy it has been on many devices. It has improved a lot in versions 14 and 15, and it is great today. But previous versions are a total disaster.

As stated in the opening post for this thread, this is not a thread for discussing Linux, it's derivatives or any other OS at length. It does happen from time to time but we generally rope ourselves in. You are seemingly deliberately derailing the thread and being a troll. Are you done with your special brand of nonsense or do we need to ask the mods to help you out?

I don't know why you're so angry.

We're not angry. We're somewhat irritated at your clear and obvious efforts to be annoying. What are you trying to do here?

Sorry for the delay, I fell asleep lol. I am putting together a guide with screenshots now.

No worries, it happens. LOL!

I am putting together a guide with screenshots now.

Ok, cool! No rush.

 

[eidairaman1]

I don't need to. People have been having problems with 24H2 since it's release and such has been WELL documented elsewhere as well as being discussed here in this very thread. None of us answer to you bub. We don't owe you any explanations.

Are you on drugs? Or have you been living under a rock your whole life? Seriously? Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10 and yes even Windows 11 have ALL been released with various problems that needed fixing. Seriously? Where the hell have YOU been that you don't know this? Mars? Uranus?

What is THIS drivel? News flash kid, not one OS ever has been perfect out of the box. Not one ever.

As stated in the opening post for this thread, this is not a thread for discussing Linux, it's derivatives or any other OS at length. It does happen from time to time but we generally rope ourselves in. You are seemingly deliberately derailing the thread and being a troll. Are you done with your special brand of nonsense or do we need to ask the mods to help you out?

We're not angry. We're somewhat irritated at your clear and obvious efforts to be annoying. What are you trying to do here?


No worries, it happens. LOL!

Ok, cool! No rush.

Windows 1.0, 2. 3.0, 3.1, NT all have had them. UNIX, Linux, MacOS/iOS arent flawless either. MS does need to be restructured though and actually have Final product and bug testers before any patches are released, they seemed to disappear as W8-11 were created...

 

[lexluthermiester]

Windows 1.0, 2. 3.0, 3.1, NT all have had them.

True. I was starting with what is generally considered "modern" Windows versions, even though they go back 30 years.

UNIX, Linux, MacOS/iOS arent flawless either.

Exactly.

MS does need to be restructured though and actually have Final product and bug testers before any patches are released, they seemed to disappear as W8-11 were created...

Agreed!

 

[Epaminombas]

The user "Fevgatos" talked about Linux being able to update without problems.
I just said that on a server no one updates in real time.

It was him who started talking about Linux, not me.

You can update without problems with your Linux Mint or Ubuntu, but on a server?? No one updates without testing.

The others start to provoke me and curse me with bad words and I just respond respectfully and you get furious with my answers. This is very strange.

Windows 1.0, 2. 3.0, 3.1, NT all have had them. UNIX, Linux, MacOS/iOS arent flawless either. MS does need to be restructured though and actually have Final product and bug testers before any patches are released, they seemed to disappear as W8-11 were created...

I really wanted to understand all these problems that people have.

I migrated more than 120 PCs to Windows 10 in 2017 in a single company. It took me more than 2 months to do it alone. It was an engineering and architecture company that used all kinds of Autodesk software.

I migrated everything to Windows 10 when the whole internet was badmouthing the system. And all the company's users noticed an improvement in performance and during the 1 year that I was there I didn't receive a single complaint about the PCs migrated to Windows 10.

Apart from other companies that I migrated to Windows 10 and this year I migrated many PCs to Windows 11 without any problems.

My experience tells me that people don't know how to use BIOS, don't know how to install Windows, don't know how to install drivers.

But I'm nobody. My experiences are worthless.

I've also worked with companies that used iMacs to edit videos and images, and I've had to format them because the update gave me a problem. To avoid sending them to Apple, I solved it myself. The iMacs always crashed when I was editing large videos and images.

But as you all know, I have no knowledge or experience whatsoever.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The others start to provoke me and curse me with bad words and I just respond respectfully and you get furious with my answers. This is very strange.

Your perceptions do not reality make. When you come in and tinkle in everyone's pools you can't complain when they get irritated.

My experiences are worthless.

When YOUR experience conflicts with that of many others, yeah. Your experience of NOT having problems is completely worthless to those who ARE having problems and to those who SOLVE those problems professionally.

So, you were saying?

 

[Epaminombas]

Your perceptions do not reality make. When you come in and tinkle in everyone's pools you can't complain when they get irritated.

When YOUR experience conflicts with that of many others, yeah. Your experience of NOT having problems is completely worthless to those who ARE having problems and to those who SOLVE those problems professionally.

So, you were saying?

I doubt anyone has done more Windows 10 and 11 installations than me.

I've lost count, but I've done more than 500 Windows 10 installations. Windows 11 has reached more than 180, as far as I can remember.

Another thing, if you bought a PC or Laptop and it came with the manufacturer's installation, you need to format it. Because the manufacturer's installation is full of bad programs that cause bugs.

 

[lexluthermiester]

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Yeah, Onasi is very irritated with you and for good reason. I'm a bit more reserved, but trust me, I was thinking it and agree with him. Your comments have not only been flying in the face of reality, but seem like they've been deliberate attempts to provoke or cause trouble. It's just crazy talk, especially that bit about OSes not being released with any problems? There is a measure of doubt here as it is possible you simply haven't seen these problems and that directly implies you are either very young or very inexperienced, perhaps both.

I doubt anyone has done more Windows 10 and 11 installations than me.

That is COMPLETE moose muffins. Good grief the ego with that...

I've lost count, but I've done more than 500 Windows 10 installations.

Really? That's it? Just 500 eh? I've done that in the last year alone, and Windows 10 is 10years old.

Windows 11 came out more than 180 years ago, as far as I can remember.

180 years? You don't say, huh..

Another thing, if you bought a PC or Laptop and it came with the manufacturer's installation, you need to format it. Because the manufacturer's installation is full of bad programs that cause bugs.

No kidding? You sure?

It does kinda seem like your shoveling the shmoo...

 

[Onasi]

@Epaminombas
Brother, I use “fuck” for emphasis and to express my bewilderment. I haven’t yet insulted you personally. You are deliberately misrepresenting my points to… what, paint me as an unreasonable and mad internet troll? Please. We are all adults here, an F-bomb or two is nothing.

And I know that I said I am quitting this dead-end conversation, but you said something I just had to comment on:

Another thing, if you bought a PC or Laptop and it came with the manufacturer's installation, you need to format it. Because the manufacturer's installation is full of bad programs that cause bugs.

Really? What if I bought a Surface device? Does MS deliberately cause bugs on their own devices? What about workstations, the likes that are made and provided by Lenovo or IBM or SuperMicro? They often contain both an OS installed and the software that is used on them by customers request, such as controller programs that are supplied by ThermoFisher for ours. Those are HWID activated BTW via obscure means and are a pain to re-activate on a clean OS. Should such WS also be wiped and a clean Windows installed?

tl:dr - You are either deliberately stirring the pot or you don’t know even what you don’t know. Pick your poison. Because you rocked up to this thread with a poor attitude right off the rip.

 

[Epaminombas]

Yes, workstations from Lenovo, IBM or any third-party manufacturer do not use the clean Windows 10/11 image. They have a custom image full of useless programs that hinder Windows functionality.

In the same way that Xiaomi and Samsung fill Google's Android with junk.

I prefer clean Androids like those from Asus, Motorola, Pixel, Sony and Nokia.

Surface uses a custom Windows image, but has much less junk programs installed.

You can still format and install a clean Windows 11 image if you want.

And IT managers hardly know this. I've had to format entire PC parks and teach IT managers about the proper use of Windows, basic router and switch configurations and AccessPoint.

Just because you know an IT manager doesn't mean they know exactly what to do. Most have no idea how to set up a business network from scratch.

Or how to set up a business email on Gmail or Outlook...