Windows 12

[Vayra86]

What I would like to see fixed in the new Windows release, is the time Windows needs to install its updates.
My PC checked for updates at 12 minutes passed the hour mark, and only now at 26 minutes passed the hour mark it asks for a restart?

Why is it so slow?

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Its probably updating in 8K just for you

 

[KLiKzg]

I think is time now for Windows 12.

What features would you want to see?
DirectX 13 with unlimited detail technology?
Improved DirectStorage, so fast PCIe SSDs are properly utilised?
Fixed scaling with high-DPI monitors like 8K?

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windows 12 release date - Google Search

Could you live with 4K, knowing that is up to 120Hz & "new generations" can't see properly under 144Hz? & that only if you have DisplayPort 1.3 or later.
Would that even matter to have 4K, when on 32" TV, sorry monitor, you only get ~140ppi.
How soon would we need to put monitors with network cards in order to accomodate the 8K bandwidth?

#sarcasm

 

[Melvis]

I just want a simple OS that doesnt tell ME what to do or use or should use etc, just like the old days a Windows that I can customize to how I like it, can you do that MS? yeah.....we know you cant so I cant see W12 or the next 10 OSes from them to be like the good old days.

 

[Lei]

There's no Windows 12 this year.

However you will see this coming

 

[Zareek]

There's no Windows 12 this year.

However you will see this coming

I've been on 11 for months now, and I still haven't adjusted to the icons without text. Overall, I am really unhappy with 11, and it sounds like 12 will be more of the same. Lots of nagware, use M$ this or M$ that, more features no one wants and more UI changes that reduce productivity in the name of shininess and implied simplification(aka burying the knobs and switches deeper).

 

[Wirko]

How soon would we need to put monitors with network cards in order to accomodate the 8K bandwidth?

My line of thinking goes the opposite way. How could we harness HDMI/DP ports and cables for fast networking when 10 GbE isn't enough?

 

[Lei]

I've been on 11 for months now, and I still haven't adjusted to the icons without text. Overall, I am really unhappy with 11, and it sounds like 12 will be more of the same. Lots of nagware, use M$ this or M$ that, more features no one wants and more UI changes that reduce productivity in the name of shininess and implied simplification(aka burying the knobs and switches deeper).

It's funny people say M$ and ngreedia, but they can't live one day without their products.

I mean they say blender, but they use Maya.
Imagine everything was free, what would you use? ... Me windows and I'd have a cup of tea with Mr. Jensen Huang. He may sign a 4090 box and hand it to me, but I'd say: no sir, I'd like to have another cup of tea with you another day. You inspire me. You put 208 billion transistors on a chip and named it after a black scientist. With all the pressure, competition, criticism; you made things that Leonardo da Vinci would praise and use.

I wish I could give some strawberries to Bill Gates and Jensen Huang today. And not tell them your windows sucks. I could tell them I use your software and hardware everyday. Thanks for making them.

208 billion, that's 2.4 times the number of neurons in human brain. This is the same switch Alan Turing was using when making enigma. 208 billion switches in the palm of his hand. And you nag about wattage.

 

[Wirko]

I wish I could give some strawberries to Bill Gates and Jensen Huang today. And not tell them your windows sucks. I could tell them I use your software and hardware everyday. Thanks for making them.

I use Ballmer's Windows every day. I also use Nadella's Windows at work because I have no choice, and it sucks, increasingly even. But Mr. Nadella knows that full well, no need to tell it to him.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I'd expect nothing less than more touch screen bs that needs removing plus more AI holes that need to be filled.

lol Ballmers 8 wasn't a good thing lol but 7 sure was.

 

[Zareek]

It's funny people say M$ and ngreedia, but they can't live one day without their products.

I mean they say blender, but they use Maya.
Imagine everything was free, what would you use? ... Me windows and I'd have a cup of tea with Mr. Jensen Huang. He may sign a 4090 box and hand it to me, but I'd say: no sir, I'd like to have another cup of tea with you another day. You inspire me. You put 208 billion transistors on a chip and named it after a black scientist. With all the pressure, competition, criticism; you made things that Leonardo da Vinci would praise and use.

I wish I could give some strawberries to Bill Gates and Jensen Huang today. And not tell them your windows sucks. I could tell them I use your software and hardware everyday. Thanks for making them.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Windows or Microsoft, I've used the M$ abbreviation for as long as I can remember. I think it is fun. That being said, I am annoyed that M$ is ruining the product. I make a choice to pay for Windows. Almost anything that can be done with Windows can be done on Linux for free with a little effort. I can live the rest of my life without M$, a lot more than one day, I hope... Ngreedia as well, but that is off-topic.

 

[KLiKzg]

My line of thinking goes the opposite way. How could we harness HDMI/DP ports and cables for fast networking when 10 GbE isn't enough?

Well, as an GenX I was used to slower network speeds.

 

[rdx13]

windows 11 could be released as early as 2025

 

[mb194dc]

Microsoft are way too focused on financial engineering rather than software engineering these days.

Continually surprised they aren't bleeding market share to companies who give a shit about the user experience of their customers.

Rather than ramming "AI", adverts, the app store down people's throats. Combined with removing features and making the desktop interface worse, more confused and duplicate settings etc with every release.

There was a time, when Microsofts products improved witn every release, sometimes very significantly eg windows 2000. The rot set in around 2010.

 

[dgianstefani]

Microsoft are way too focused on financial engineering rather than software engineering these days.

Continually surprised they aren't bleeding market share to companies who give a shit about the user experience of their customers.

Rather than ramming "AI", adverts, the app store down people's throats. Combined with removing features and making the desktop interface worse, more confused and duplicate settings etc with every release.

There was a time, when Microsofts products improved witn every release, sometimes very significantly eg windows 2000. The rot set in around 2010.

Eh, once cleaned up, the underlying code base is still a very solid OS.

Sadly the vast majority of people will never experience a clean, minimal, tuned Windows install, and how it feels and performs so much better over a stock OS that you could mistake it for running on much faster hardware.

What bugs me more are the people too blasé to care, who will keep consooming whatever new crap MS shoves down their throats. Sadly there's nowhere near enough pushback against the bloat and cancerous SaaS model.

 

[KLiKzg]

I just can't wait for a high quality project around 2030, called Windows 13.

 

[DudeBeFishing]

I can write a book, but the tldr is, I want Windows 7, but with support from 3rd parties. I haven't seen improvements on later Windows OSs. I'm sure there's sEcuRiTy improvements, but as the end user, all I see is each new Windows OS being slower and more unstable. Every patch Tuesday something is broken.

I know what the alternatives to Windows is, Linux. It's perfect for hoarding files, browsing the internet, or that 1 specific niche task, but it sucks if you have the slightest out of the norm hardware configuration. For example with Debian 12. It doesn't detect my motherboard's toslink, and it downclocks my CPU for no useful reason. There's workarounds, but good luck finding them without knowing the specific name for the thing that interacts with those things.

Then there's Android, the worlds worst Linux distro. You can't even choose what apps start at startup without a workaround.

 

[DeanoVIP]

Hopefully Windows 12 goes down the Server 2025 route and only pushes updates that need a reboot quarterly and security updates requiring no reboot monthly. I do think it needs a little bit of Linux bred into it with customisation, more desktop environments to help with workflow. But also more transparency with data collection, marketing and tracking.

 

[natr0n]

I really like a bare bones os when it comes to windows.

Give me the skeleton i'll put the rest together.

 

[ARF]

Tips for M$ with answers / feedback from users about what exactly went so wrong with Windows 11.

The market share speaks for it.

Has Windows 11 really lost marketshare to Windows 10?

Users continue to give Microsoft's latest and greatest a wide berth

www.theregister.com

 

[ARF]

What makes a "modern OS," exactly?

DirectX 13. DirectStorage 2.0, automatic scaling as on smartphones with Android, 4K-friendly, detection of poor quality DisplayPort and HDMI cables, interface that is user friendly, and requires less clicks, aka is faster, not slower, i.e. requiring more clicks as in windows 11.

To add something really important.

Automatic detection of used alphabet/keyboard.
It very often happens to start typing in a wrong alphabet, which is quite annoying and time consuming.
AI is needed to fix that!

 

[ARF]

Another area for betterment.
The black screen with notification you're %% there, during the updating process. MUST change the design of that black thing - use a wallpaper, or something modern and nice.

 

[ARF]

People expect Windows 12 to be even worse than Windows 11

I don't believe that Microsoft can fall that low.

Microsoft's current flagship operating system is something of a mixed bag to many. With its divisive design choices, stricter hardware requirements, and questionable stability, it hasn't won everybody over. In fact, it hasn't even won most people over. Currently, estimates provided by StatCounter suggest that Windows 11 has only a 36.6% share of the Windows desktop market, compared to the 60.3% share held by Windows 10.

Think Windows 11 is bad? Picture how much worse Windows 12 could be

Windows 12 likely won't be the savior some Windows 10 users are hoping for — here's why

www.laptopmag.com

 

[Space Lynx]

Does Windows 10 require to go online at all to work properly? after its initially been updated? i been thinking of just making a steam offline mode windows 10 PC, cause 99% of the games i play are offline anyway

thinking about doing this for awhile, and using Linux Manjaro for my work OS / light linux indie gaming

this way i just have a static system in place for offline gaming, not sure how hard something like that is to pull off, just set steam to offline mode? then maybe a couple years after windows 12 has been out, i will consider it then

 

[Klemc]

My offline PC for gaming runs Win11, i updated it only once with march MSU-KB KB5053602 (aka mandatory), still 23H2 btw.

All games work tho.

 

[LabRat 891]

Does Windows 10 require to go online at all to work properly? after its initially been updated? i been thinking of just making a steam offline mode windows 10 PC, cause 99% of the games i play are offline anyway

thinking about doing this for awhile, and using Linux Manjaro for my work OS / light linux indie gaming

this way i just have a static system in place for offline gaming, not sure how hard something like that is to pull off, just set steam to offline mode? then maybe a couple years after windows 12 has been out, i will consider it then

No. Win 10 can be installed and operated 100% offline. Win11 can be as well, but unofficially.