x570s Chipset Cooling. Any Ideas?

[eazen]

OP asks questions yet ignores the mass advice. Sadly your post is falling on deaf ears.

I’ve read too many times about people who complain about temperatures, mostly it’s Ryzen related and a ton of people are constantly telling those that 60-80C is fine, and normal with small chiplets. This here is new to me, but same oddity, people shouldn’t judge these things based on their feelings or prior experiences with CPUs etc.

 

[Toothless]

I’ve read too many times about people who complain about temperatures, mostly it’s Ryzen related and a ton of people are constantly telling those that 60-80C is fine, and normal with small chiplets. This here is new to me, but same oddity, people shouldn’t judge these things based on their feelings or prior experiences with CPUs etc.

A lot of Ryzen misinformation is from old timers or people who don't do their research. Newer things are going to eat more power, run hotter, etc.

 

[eazen]

A lot of Ryzen misinformation is from old timers or people who don't do their research. Newer things are going to eat more power, run hotter, etc.

The only thing they were kinda right with was the 5800X and higher, those are kinda hard to cool and get really hot with regular air coolers. But nothing you can do about it aside from a undervolt, what I did as well with my 5800X3D.

 

[Bill_Bright]

A lot of Ryzen misinformation is from old timers or people who don't do their research.

Kinda sorta take offense to that.

"Old timers" is an unwarranted and perhaps disparaging stereotype - not to mention totally ambiguous. A 30 year old with 15 years of computer experience could easily be called an old timer - when it comes to computer experience and knowledge. But a 70 year old just learning to use his or her first computer might also be considered an old timer.

Simply saying "people who don't do their research" is much more correct without putting agism connotations to it.

Newer things are going to eat more power, run hotter, etc.

Ummm, that's an absolute blanket statement, and like all blanket statements, is not accurate (and yes, the irony in that is obvious and intentional).

There are many newer electronic devices that are considerably more "green". That is, they consume less power and/or are more efficient and therefore, waste less and generate less heat.

A quick look at today's power supplies illustrates that. A 650W supply made today is likely to be much more efficient. Therefore, to produce 300W of output, it likely will pull from the wall much less power than a 650W supply made 10 years ago, because much less power is wasted in the form of heat.

Yes, there are more powerful CPUs and GPUs today. But, when you average everything out, the "work" they perform is done more efficiently. That is, they can do more work in the same amount of time using less energy and generating less heat.

Are there exceptions? Of course! But exceptions don't make the rule and exceptions are why absolute blanket statements are wrong.

 

[eazen]

A 30 year old with 15 years of computer experience could easily be called an old timer - when it comes to computer experience and knowledge.

That’s true, in fact I saw a lot of 30-40 year olds talking nonsense about high temperatures, mostly in product reviews. People are simply used to monolithic CPUs and those have a lot of silicon that is way easier cooled than concentrated chiplets CPUs.

 

[Bill_Bright]

People are simply used to monolithic CPUs

It is not a matter of what they are used to. It is, as Toothless correctly noted, a matter of failing to do their homework to learn what the current state-of-the-art is before flapping their lips.

Too often we see folks assuming what was true 10, 15, even 20 years ago is still true today. Even here at TPU we see "old timers" give advice about Windows of today based on their experiences with XP. Contrary to what they believe, and often want everyone else to believe, Microsoft as not been sitting on their thumbs for the last 20 years. W11 is not XP.

Look at security. We used to need layers and layers of different security software to keep our systems secure. Not so today. And that is due much in part to Windows being inherently more secure out of the box and its ability to stay current, as well as the latest anti-malware solutions being much more capable as well. And to be fair, user education has come a long way too.

Same with hardware. Too often folks assume characteristics the hardware from the past exhibited still applies today. Not true. Hardware in general is more efficient these days. OEM coolers today are typically more than adequate at providing the necessary cooling for the CPUs they come with (at least at default clock and voltage settings). There are many more examples as for sure, the hardware makers have not been sitting on their thumbs either. Intel tried that and AMD leapfrogged right over them. Then it took nearly a decade for Intel to take the lead again.

And it is not just "old timer" enthusiasts - but we even see this in so called professional IT media sites - where the authors clearly have failed to keep up with the advances technologies. And then sadly, there are too many who read "one" of those articles and then believe everything they just read without even checking to see if the author really has any expertise or if there is any supporting evidence to what he claimed.

How many times have we seen some nit-wit say something in some obscure blog that then is picked up by another blogger, then 10 more bloggers, then 1000s more to the point it "appears" the universe is about to end - when in reality, it was just one nit-wit with one anecdotal story about him changing some setting he was clueless about that then gave him some unexpected result!

 

[eazen]

It is not a matter of what they are used to. It is, as Toothless correctly noted, a matter of failing to do their homework to learn what the current state-of-the-art is before flapping their lips.

They are in fact used to it, most people that complain about high temps are either used to Intel CPUs or at least Intel CPUs that are older and weren’t overclocked out of the box like 10th gen and later. That they didn’t do their homework is just another problem, a lot of people just assume they already know a lot and don’t care to learn anymore. It’s bad aging and ignorance basically.

And it is not just "old timer" enthusiasts - but we even see this in so called professional IT media sites - where the authors clearly have failed to keep up with the advances technologies. And then sadly, there are too many who read "one" of those articles and then believe everything they just read without even checking to see if the author really has any expertise or if there is any supporting evidence to what he claimed.

That would be a red flag for me to stop reading such a site, luckily didn’t happen with the sites I regularly read or visit.

 

[freeagent]

Ryzen only runs hot if your cooling is not up to par. I have had 3 Ryzen CPU’s and all of them were comparable to my Intel setups. Cool running. You don’t need a ton of fans or a bunch of powerful fans. Heatsink matters and so does caseflow.

 

[Jism]

Ive bin playing with Artic MX5 which is a totally different paste then what i'm used to. Basicly a RX580 with a 240mm AIO got lower temps for replacing the thermal pad. I'm talking sustained 250W power consumption in furmark and temps roughly 55 degrees. Normally ive only got 65 degrees out of it at best with at max but at this point i can run things super silent.

Problem is with chipsets if you replace a thermal pad your thermal paste might not apply enough contact. Ive had the same issue with VRM's on that Rx580. Solved it by doing a washer mod for a bit more pressure. Chipsets can run warm. It's just a pass through. No longer a north-bridge as with the AM3+ days.

 

[eazen]

Ryzen only runs hot if your cooling is not up to par. I have had 3 Ryzen CPU’s and all of them were comparable to my Intel setups. Cool running. You don’t need a ton of fans or a bunch of powerful fans. Heatsink matters and so does caseflow.

I don’t think monolithic CPUs are comparable to chiplets, the heat is way more concentrated and they are in fact hotter. And that’s compared to overclocked Intel CPUs of 10th gen and later. Compared to older Intel or AMD CPUs it’s a non contest, they were far cooler.

I saw countless people complaining about high temps in user reviews and they weren’t wrong, the 5800X for example has high voltages to sustain the high clocks, the problem just is, the voltages are too high. It does much better with a undervolt, which must be done by the user because AMD played it a little too conservative or save there. It’s not a problem with a AIO but with a air cooler, it kinda is. Most people run these CPUs at over 80°C under stress, I wouldn’t call that cool.

 

[Jism]

I don’t think monolithic CPUs are comparable to chiplets, the heat is way more concentrated and they are in fact hotter. And that’s compared to overclocked Intel CPUs of 10th gen and later. Compared to older Intel or AMD CPUs it’s a non contest, they were far cooler.

I saw countless people complaining about high temps in user reviews and they weren’t wrong, the 5800X for example has high voltages to sustain the high clocks, the problem just is, the voltages are too high. It does much better with a undervolt, which must be done by the user because AMD played it a little too conservative or save there. It’s not a problem with a AIO but with a air cooler, it kinda is. Most people run these CPUs at over 80°C under stress, I wouldn’t call that cool.

Thats PBO at work... It just ramps up clocks within thermal / power headroom(s).

If you lock the clocks at for example 4Ghz i'm 99.9% sure the temps stay very solid.

 

[eazen]

Thats PBO at work... It just ramps up clocks within thermal / power headroom(s).

If you lock the clocks at for example 4Ghz i'm 99.9% sure the temps stay very solid.

I didn’t talk about PBO, and most people don’t even use PBO, that’s stock 5800X. And what do I care about a extreme underclock? That’s not the topic or relevant in any sense.

 

[Bill_Bright]

They are in fact used to it

I never said they are not used to it. That was not my point. My point was - in spite of what they are used to - they should have but failed to do their homework to see if what they assume to be correct (or are used to) is still correct for today.

 

[eazen]

I never said they are not used to it. That was not my point. My point was - in spite of what they are used to - they should have but failed to do their homework to see if what they assume to be correct (or are used to) is still correct for today.

Well it’s easier to do nothing and just assume you already know everything.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Well it’s easier to do nothing and just assume you already know everything.

Sad, but true.

 

[Kapone33]

I didn’t talk about PBO, and most people don’t even use PBO, that’s stock 5800X. And what do I care about a extreme underclock? That’s not the topic or relevant in any sense.

You don't have to do anything to a 5000 series chip to have it boost to 1.5. Having said that OC Ryzen 5000 is 1 click in AMD software. Compared to anything before it Ryzen 5000 runs hot. My thought is that voltage is the key and nothing more. If you run a 5000 series chip at 3000 series voltage you won't see the auto boost clock at it's max. This reason is why the fastest 5000 series chip is the 5950X as it can run up to 5.2 ghz single core at 1.5 volts without any issue. The updated chips like the 5600G and 5700G seem to be able to reach high clocks at lower voltages. The 5600X does not count either as 65W CPUs can be easily cooled with a good budget air cooler. Just like the 12th Gen 7/9 series a 105W Ryzen CPU needs a 280/360 Rad to deal with the voltage spikes more than anything else. The MB also matters. MSI and Gigabyte like to boost voltages on their boards by default which will give you a Max speed of 5.2 in HWInfo64. If you use Asus or As Rock the boost clock will be in the range of 5.05 to 5.1. That makes almost no difference in anything you do though it can lead to higher temps. The OP has arguably the best X570S board (I have the same) and the chipset can be warmer than what you are used to vs the X570 with a fan but it is necessary to have some type of airflow over that part of the MB if you want to rival those.

 

[freeagent]

a 105W Ryzen CPU needs a 280/360 Rad to deal with the voltage spikes more than anything else.

Nope, just a nice Thermalright cooler. I see no temp spikes related to voltage at all. With an R9 on two different boards.. my air cooler will soak up the 215-235w without too much issue. Never mind 105w

Running PBO +200MHz for 5150. I routinely see 1.5v on the single.. obviously much less for all core..

 

[thesmokingman]

Thread jack completed... lol

 

[Toothless]

To be clear, I'm not saying old timers per age, just out of the times in terms of hardware knowledge. I didn't mean offense @Bill_Bright

 

[mama]

I didn’t talk about PBO, and most people don’t even use PBO, that’s stock 5800X. And what do I care about a extreme underclock? That’s not the topic or relevant in any sense.

PBO2 is marvellous for keeping a CPU cool in my opinion. Taking some time to manually undervolt individual cores reaps benefits which surprised me in cooling and performance. Plonking a good cooler on top also helps obviously.

 

[mclaren85]

PBO2 is marvellous for keeping a CPU cool in my opinion. Taking some time to manually undervolt individual cores reaps benefits which surprised me in cooling and performance. Plonking a good cooler on top also helps obviously.

Yes, disabling core performance boost and pbo has drastically reduced my Ryzen 3900x temperature.
Rather than manually adjusting the voltage, disabling these experimental services may have positively affect ill-designed Ryzen CPUs lifespan.

 

[Toothless]

Yes, disabling core performance boost and pbo has drastically reduced my Ryzen 3900x temperature.
Rather than manually adjusting the voltage, disabling these experimental services may have positively affect ill-designed Ryzen CPUs lifespan.

Dude, again, these features do not reduce the lifespan of your processor. They're there for the chip to push itself within safe limits a bit more than stock.

You're just going on the block list. I'm so done with your misinformation and pretending to know more than an engineer. Quit lying.

 

[eazen]

Yes, disabling core performance boost and pbo has drastically reduced my Ryzen 3900x temperature.
Rather than manually adjusting the voltage, disabling these experimental services may have positively affect ill-designed Ryzen CPUs lifespan.

PBO is perfectly safe, it’s not even a real overclock, it’s more like, more power for the CPU to boost better, that’s it. And it’s not experimental, it’s 5 years old. Does it lower CPU life? Yes, but not in the relevant usage time of a CPU, how long do you wanna keep a CPU, 20 years? I never even heard about a CPU that went bad from usage, they just degrade and lose frequency and that’s it, but before that happens they are mostly replaced anyway. You think Ryzen is “ill designed”? Why? There’s nothing better. It’s the most efficient x86 architecture.

 

[freeagent]

Yes, disabling core performance boost and pbo has drastically reduced my Ryzen 3900x temperature.
Rather than manually adjusting the voltage, disabling these experimental services may have positively affect ill-designed Ryzen CPUs lifespan.

Dude.. seriously, its been how long now? And you still cant get your CPU to work at stock settings? I'm telling you that H100 is the cause of all your problems. How is it I can run a 12 core CPU, and have it fully boost to its 5150MHz, absolute max performance with PBO, and I am doing it with a *gasp*

Air cooler.

I am not an engineer, but I sure like to exploit my CPU for all she's worth.

 

[tabascosauz]

I'm not having this devolve into another misinformation FUDfest about CPB. Thread has run its course, we've covered all there is to say about the PCH problem.