X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[dalekdukesboy]

If you have the Arctic cooler why you don't have the included or at least optional backplate as well?

I don't see much use in it I like the gaming6G cooler more way higher quality bigger fans better style. I don't think the 980ti needs the over the top cooler of the Arctic but whatever your choice.

because the 480 CAME stock with the cooler, so the backplate I have on the 480 was only one I essentially got the cooler free it was on the card when I bought it, hence why I'm using it and yeah slightly smaller fans but also 1 more of them, it's a long cooler but fairly narrow so top to bottom it doesn't take up much room thankfully. I also still have the matching 480 around somewhere that has same cooler on it I bought them as a pair so no loss. I actually think this cooler looks better than the MSI one and it certainly will perform better. Anyway here is the latest picture of inside of case as it is atm....

Those are the three coolers side by side, top one is the cooler the card came with, second obviously is the gaming cooler from 980 and last is the accellero cooler. What you can't see here real well but slightly is how much thicker the radiator is on the accellero cooler, also it has 10 heatpipes versus 6 for gaming vs 4 for the armor x card. Hey I can always put coolers back on and swap etc, I didn't want to kill a card but I have to admit the learning I have gotten due to it and experience with swapping coolers and cards etc has been pretty fun.

 

[Kanan]

Didn't you read my post? I know that the Arctic is fat I just don't think it's "better" for various reasons some of them I already told you.

Also next time do proper pic of gpu with cooler I don't care about backside I know them anyway.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Didn't you read my post? I know that the Arctic is fat I just don't think it's "better" for various reasons some of them I already told you.

Also next time do proper pic of gpu with cooler I don't care about backside I know them anyway.

Hey easy dude, I read your post and I simply was referencing how the picture doesn't show the bulk of the cooler wasn't inferring what you did or didn't know whatsoever. Also backside of first cooler I know you don't know you've never seen it, 2nd again as I said earlier on another discussion we disagree and it's no big deal last thing I thought was that last post was somehow "personal" or inferred I didn't read your post or "dissed" you somehow lol. Anyway it was a last second decision to give the mammoth a try on the ti just because I could and it was part of the fun/learning process. No way is any of it a slight to you that's for sure. Anyway for space it certainly isn't better lengthwise it was already longer and how it fits on this particular card pushed it even further out into the case and it literally just fits and only when I put it in sideways to get past the hard drive cages lol. Also I did picture of back because that's the business end and where the cooling happens, the fans and the cooler shroud look nice granted but if anything I thought the fans were more a known quantity than the heatpipes etc.

 

[Kanan]

Yeah I just want to see proper images of the graphics card with new cooler on it.

 

[Ithanul]

Yeah, best to be careful with BIOS modding. Though, there is an awesome chap over in OCN who does request on Maxwell cards with BIOS editing. Or, find another person who has same card with an edited BIOS and just copy their values into your own card's BIOS. But it always best to backup your own card's BIOS before doing such.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yeah I just want to see proper images of the graphics card with new cooler on it.

If you look really close you can see it in the case that I took a screenshot of. You probably can even see on side of shroud that it says GALAXY gtx480 on it lol. If I take it out of the case again I'll take a pic, the ones I took were done quickly and mostly for me to take note of differences in coolers and educate myself on what to look for in build as far as getting a decent cooler. Next time I have it out for whatever reason I'll take a picture of it as it is.

Yeah, best to be careful with BIOS modding. Though, there is an awesome chap over in OCN who does request on Maxwell cards with BIOS editing. Or, find another person who has same card with an edited BIOS and just copy their values into your own card's BIOS. But it always best to backup your own card's BIOS before doing such.

Thanks! I did find various places where Nvidia card flashing help was offered, actually I used a relatively beginners' guide to flash my bios and worked swimmingly. First time the bios flash itself worked fine I just set some values in the bios that were not right...hence why after I picked the Msi Gaming card bios and figured this card should be close enough that it would work fine, and it does!

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I'm probably going to take out the card and apply good TIM on it, it has the same TIM that was left after it was taken off the 480 and it may not have been very good it was whatever Galaxy used and considering it was a massive cooler they could cheap out on the TIM and not even get much notice. so far I have it boosting to about 1468 in games, memory is mid 1900's but may be able to do better on both as expected it's not best chip MSI had or it would have gone to their higher card series but still even at that it clocks roughly identically to my old msi 980 so obviously getting a big performance jump over that. Now I just have to play a game that taxes it lol.

 

[Kanan]

From which brand is the memory?

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Hynix, I was going to type that from what I remember GPU-Z saying but just double checked to be sure. Not sure how good Hynix is but if I recall that's a decent clocking memory.

 

[Kanan]

Hynix is a low clocker with very good timings, I have the same - would just overclock from 1750 to 1925-1950 that's it. Samsung is the vram (or one of) for high clocks, because the timings aren't so edged out.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yeah I read up on it I was pretty sure Hynix was good but Samsung was highest clocking, and Elpida well, no one wants that lol.

 

[Ithanul]

Still boils down to silicon lottery.

My two 980Tis have Hynix and they clock pretty high. I just don't clock them high since folding don't get a huge benefit from it. Can't remember how high they go on the memory. I hardly bench as is so think last time I did was like when I first got them.

Though some peeps have luck with Elpida clocking high. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes not.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Ah, do you have the ti's in your x79 system? I don't see one listed but I swore you said you had one lol. Anyway what clocks do you get from your ti's for core? Mine is a bit finicky but so far memory goes up to at least 1978 mhz and seems stable, may even do 2000 haven't really fiddled with it enough to know top clocks...also it seems to be very finicky in that if you clock it beyond a certain point and run say furmark it runs for a few seconds and clocks down to "safe clocks" which are 595 mhz...Then you have to disable it and re-enable it to reset to 3d clocks or you have to restart windows. Kind of weird how it does that, yet other times it freezes and will fail altogether. So yeah definitely mine whines loudly if it gets pushed beyond what it feels like doing. So far max boost is anywhere from 1460-1490 depending on application, and again if you push it too far it does one of those two forementioned things.

 

[Kanan]

GM200 is known to have a hard wall on clocks, but depends somewhat on lottery and voltages. First wall is at about 1480, hardest wall is 1520-1550, after that "higher" cooling is needed.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yep, this card has a wall at 1480 or less, at least with what I've done and tried it's like a brick wall. I was hoping 1500 forget 1520 lol but doesn't appear it will do that so now I just have to dial in best combination of core and memory and see what I can do that is stable.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

whitrzac
Today at 9:31 am
Were you still looking for a 980ti with EKwb?


dalekdukesboy
Today at 1:14 pm
Good job on the 550 dollar 1080, heck of a deal! I actually have a corsair 280mm AIO for my CPU I just got so I can't watercool the GPU's only cpu atm. I'd only buy the card sans the waterblock and with stock cooler. I would consider it then but otherwise the extra money for the very good block you're throwing in is a waste for me atm unless price was something I couldn't refuse.

whitrzac
Today at 3:00 pm
I'm actually selling the 1080 now. It's only ~15% faster in all of the benchmarks I ran. I really can't justify the price even though the 1080 was a killer deal.

dalekdukesboy
Today at 7:47 pm
LOL, that's pretty funny. Makes me feel better in getting my gtx 980ti. I just snagged one for 300 bucks. You do have to realize you can overclock that 1080 a fair deal to widen that gap, of course the ti's tend to overclock at least as well if not proportionally better so yeah, 20 % or so is all you will get from 1080 vs the ti but you will use half the energy to do it, so way more efficient. So how much for the 1080 out of curiosity and which one is it?

whitrzac
Today at 8:50 pm
Both were OCed on stock voltage.
The 1080 did +135 on the core for ~2088
The 980ti did +50 for 1450ish.

http://forums.evga.com/MSI-GeForce-GTX-1080-SEA-HAWK-X-m2552082.aspx#2552173

This made me feel particularly good about my ti decision versus a 1070! This guy has a ti he was gonna sell it as you can see asked me about it due to me mentioning it in a forum and now he benchmarked his new 1080 and ti he already had and wasn't that much difference so he decided to sell the 1080 as you can see despite it being a good deal.

 

[Kanan]

But depends on game. Average is 20-30% faster than 980 Ti, so it's "somewhat" worth it over a 980 Ti but it's still a luxury to pay 30-50% more compared to a new 980 Ti, for only 20-30% more perf. Atm I like the 1070 and 980 Ti used or new, 1080 is for users that have too much money or can't handle it. Won't even speak about that Titan X.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yeah I considered 1070, but not worth it I got same and better performance with ti and cost me less. Granted over time the electric bill is higher but fairly underwhelmed by it, and once you overclock the TI tends to gain ground because compared to its' reference clocks it has a bit more latitude on average than the 1080/1070 especially with all the damn limits on the new Nvidia cards.

 

[Kanan]

Maybe so, but Pascal has new tech, aside from power consumption, "preemption" (nvidias wannabe asynchronous compute) and some VR tech. Plus Pascal will always have the better drivers compared to older gens. Doesn't change the fact though for 300 bucks the 980 Ti was a smart buy - you simply don't get a 1070 for that price.

One thing I don't like about the 1070 is that it's a very cut down chip, so you're basically buying trash for over 400 bucks, if you buy it.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yes, you just nailed it, one I can't buy a 1070 for 300 dollars, anywhere in anyway. #2 yes I'll always know it's a piece of a piece of technology, yeah lovely. And to top it all off my ti will most certainly outperform it in pretty much every scenario and in some it will as I said in an earlier post nip at the heels of a 1080. Just is what it is, the ti is a killer chip last gen or not, it's a brute. If you simply took that chip and put it on same die shrink as 1070/80 etc? Just imagine that, serious gains would be made on the clocks, transistor count, efficiency, and performance. Nvidia simply chose the 1000 series route for whatever reason, and I'm thinking much of it is pure economics. The 980 ti was very expensive it was a big-ass full chip and probably expensive to produce and many became 980's or less perhaps due to binning. I'm guessing this was easiest route for Nvidia and they hit home run on efficiency (yawn) and got performance with high end slightly above last gen (minus titan of course but yeah 1200 bucks!). So yeah overall once I realized how strong the 980 ti was in comparison to this new crop it really soured my opinion of it, and I see why most early reviews and many now even simply neglect to put the 980 ti in the charts...wonder why? Totally rhetorical question of course.

 

[Ithanul]

Ah, do you have the ti's in your x79 system? I don't see one listed but I swore you said you had one lol. Anyway what clocks do you get from your ti's for core? Mine is a bit finicky but so far memory goes up to at least 1978 mhz and seems stable, may even do 2000 haven't really fiddled with it enough to know top clocks...also it seems to be very finicky in that if you clock it beyond a certain point and run say furmark it runs for a few seconds and clocks down to "safe clocks" which are 595 mhz...Then you have to disable it and re-enable it to reset to 3d clocks or you have to restart windows. Kind of weird how it does that, yet other times it freezes and will fail altogether. So yeah definitely mine whines loudly if it gets pushed beyond what it feels like doing. So far max boost is anywhere from 1460-1490 depending on application, and again if you push it too far it does one of those two forementioned things.

The Tis are on a MSI Z87-GD65. Soon going to drop the 5960X/X99 into that rig.

I have a X79/3930K, just need to drop it into my folder rig.

I luck out on the two Tis I bought off a peep over in OCN. Came with full cover blocks and back plates. They will bench right up to 1570MHz on the core. That of course with the memory not clocked to the wall. If you want high speed on memeory you usually have to do a balancing act between core and memory depending on load.

I don't use furmark so can't tell you how it does on mine. I tend to use BOINC and folding for finding my stable 24/7 clocks. Depending on WU they will stay happy around 1509MHz or on light WUs they can hold up to 1532MHz.

Maybe so, but Pascal has new tech, aside from power consumption, "preemption" (nvidias wannabe asynchronous compute) and some VR tech. Plus Pascal will always have the better drivers compared to older gens. Doesn't change the fact though for 300 bucks the 980 Ti was a smart buy - you simply don't get a 1070 for that price.

One thing I don't like about the 1070 is that it's a very cut down chip, so you're basically buying trash for over 400 bucks, if you buy it.

Yeah, Pascal is pretty much a stop gap till they come out with Volta. Though, the all the peeps eating up Pascal even with higher prices. Nvidia will probably keep the prices at their new levels.

It is nuts that the 1070 cost as much as it does. Heck, the darn 1060s are expensive. The good ones easily cost over 300 or more.

 

[Kanan]

Yes, you just nailed it, one I can't buy a 1070 for 300 dollars, anywhere in anyway. #2 yes I'll always know it's a piece of a piece of technology, yeah lovely. And to top it all off my ti will most certainly outperform it in pretty much every scenario and in some it will as I said in an earlier post nip at the heels of a 1080. Just is what it is, the ti is a killer chip last gen or not, it's a brute. If you simply took that chip and put it on same die shrink as 1070/80 etc? Just imagine that, serious gains would be made on the clocks, transistor count, efficiency, and performance. Nvidia simply chose the 1000 series route for whatever reason, and I'm thinking much of it is pure economics. The 980 ti was very expensive it was a big-ass full chip and probably expensive to produce and many became 980's or less perhaps due to binning. I'm guessing this was easiest route for Nvidia and they hit home run on efficiency (yawn) and got performance with high end slightly above last gen (minus titan of course but yeah 1200 bucks!). So yeah overall once I realized how strong the 980 ti was in comparison to this new crop it really soured my opinion of it, and I see why most early reviews and many now even simply neglect to put the 980 ti in the charts...wonder why? Totally rhetorical question of course.

I think every good review has 980 Ti, 980, 970 maybe even 780 Ti in it + Fury X, Fury, 390(X) and RX 480/470.

I think 980 Ti will ultimately go the (sad) way of 780 Ti - it will be surpassed by 1070, it is even now, overclocks aside - they are ~similar. 970 was even slower than 780 Ti at release, 780 Ti was at the "heels" of 980. Now it's the opposite, 970 is faster and 980 is 20-30% away - I fear the same will happen to 980 Ti, just because of drivers.

Btw. GM200 (Titan X = 3072, 980 Ti = 2816 shaders) is that 601mm² chip, 980 is GM204, it's another chip with about ~380 mm² size, and all shaders activated (2048). 970 has 1664 shaders activated - actually I have one of the few "full GPUs" that are not a) the medium chip (eg 770/980/1080) and b) not a Titan Black or X and I really like the 780 Ti. It's so bad it only has 3072 Mb vram, will probably be limited by that sometime in the future soon. GF110 (GTX 580) is btw another example of a full activated big chip, which was not overly expensive at 500 bucks release.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I think every good review has 980 Ti, 980, 970 maybe even 780 Ti in it + Fury X, Fury, 390(X) and RX 480/470.

I think 980 Ti will ultimately go the (sad) way of 780 Ti - it will be surpassed by 1070, it is even now, overclocks aside - they are ~similar. 970 was even slower than 780 Ti at release, 780 Ti was at the "heels" of 980. Now it's the opposite, 970 is faster and 980 is 20-30% away - I fear the same will happen to 980 Ti, just because of drivers.

Btw. GM200 (Titan X = 3072, 980 Ti = 2816 shaders) is that 601mm² chip, 980 is GM204, it's another chip with about ~380 mm² size, and all shaders activated (2048). 970 has 1664 shaders activated - actually I have one of the few "full GPUs" that are not a) the medium chip (eg 770/980/1080) and b) not a Titan Black or X and I really like the 780 Ti. It's so bad it only has 3072 Mb vram, will probably be limited by that sometime in the future soon. GF110 (GTX 580) is btw another example of a full activated big chip, which was not overly expensive at 500 bucks release.

I thought of that after I said it, been a while since I looked at the 900 series chip for chip but I should have remembered totally different chip..does make me wonder what they do with the chips that are ti's that didn't make the cut...Must have had some productive use for them beside scrap lol. Yes that is why I feel comfortable with this chip (yes true the titan was the full chip but expensive and didn't clock well without really good cooling) because it has 6 gigs of ram on it so I know it won't be gimped in gaming soon by lack of memory. Part of the reason I didn't like my gtx 980 even with 4 gigs of memory a heavily modded Skyrim used up pretty much all of that, whereas 6 gig is pretty safe and if I needed more this chip probably wouldn't be enough for whatever game/app that would be anyway. I'll have to check out that BOINC, never heard of it, heard of folding of course but that's to get bitcoins which I'm not about to do.

 

[Ithanul]

I thought of that after I said it, been a while since I looked at the 900 series chip for chip but I should have remembered totally different chip..does make me wonder what they do with the chips that are ti's that didn't make the cut...Must have had some productive use for them beside scrap lol. Yes that is why I feel comfortable with this chip (yes true the titan was the full chip but expensive and didn't clock well without really good cooling) because it has 6 gigs of ram on it so I know it won't be gimped in gaming soon by lack of memory. Part of the reason I didn't like my gtx 980 even with 4 gigs of memory a heavily modded Skyrim used up pretty much all of that, whereas 6 gig is pretty safe and if I needed more this chip probably wouldn't be enough for whatever game/app that would be anyway. I'll have to check out that BOINC, never heard of it, heard of folding of course but that's to get bitcoins which I'm not about to do.

Uh, where the heck you getting bitcoin from that?

F@H and BOINC are about doing work units for research. Think the only one in the projects for BOINC that even mess around with crypto currency is Gridcoin.

F@H mostly focuses on research toward cancers, parkinson, etc.

BOINC has many projects under it. Ones ranging from work units that deal with space to cancer research to finding new materials for solar panels.

I do folding for OCN in the TC teams.

But I put a whole lot more hardware toward BOINC since I do WCG(World Community Grid), Universe, CSG(Citizen Science Grid), and Poem.
I occasional do PrimeGrid, Einstein, pogs, and LHC@home in BOINC as well.

This my current total points in BOINC.
I only been running Poem for a few days on and off. Just shows you how much two Tis can push out.

Poem, Einstein, PrimeGrid are the only GPU projects I currently run on and off.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

That's how little I know of F@H truthfully, I just looked up BOINC and I see it's similar to F@H. Never done it or mining so somehow at some point I got my wires crossed thought they were related. Oh well, I'm 0 fer tonight on a couple tech things, happens when you get older.

Wow that's a lot of different projects to be involved with, admittedly unless it was in my line of work I'd not have the time for that. Also I only have 1 real PC so that also would make it kinda hard lol.