Xeon Owners Club

[bobbybluz]

My last two 1680 V2's cost me $150 each on Ebay. I made offers and the sellers accepted them. Of course there were others I made the same offer on that were rejected. It's like fishing: Sooner or later you're going to get a bite on the hook.

 

[lexluthermiester]

$150 each on Ebay

Each? Damn..

EDIT;
Just looked, and yeah, those prices are bonkers!

 

[Dinnercore]

My last two 1680 V2's cost me $150 each on Ebay. I made offers and the sellers accepted them. Of course there were others I made the same offer on that were rejected. It's like fishing: Sooner or later you're going to get a bite on the hook.

That is a solid price, I can't find those cheaper then 250€ (~280$) here. They go all the way up to 400€ each on some sellers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That is a solid price, I can't find those cheaper then 250€ (~280$) here. They go all the way up to 400€ each on some sellers.

Yeah, but you can get a Ryzen CPU that kicks the crap out of that Xeon for a similar price. Those prices make no logical sense.

Intel Xeon E5-1680 v2 @ 3.00GHz vs AMD Ryzen 7 1800X vs AMD Ryzen 7 1700X [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

Xeon 1680V2 on ebay(best current price = $180 shipped);

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Ryzen 7 1800X on ebay(best current price = $179 shipped);

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Ryzen 7 1700X on ebay(best current price = $210 shipped);

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Yeah, I know this is the club and all, but common sense must prevail. For those prices, I'll take an 1800X over a much slower 1680V2 all day long.

 

[bobbybluz]

Each? Damn..

As a long time Ebay buyer (and seller) I've learned to look for a seller with several of what you want to buy for sale. Make a reasonable offer and they'll usually take it. Even better if you've done business with them before. Also, keep an eye on items that have been reposted a few times. Send the seller a message you're interested but only at whatever price you think it's worth to you. You may get a message back asking why you think that's a fair price. Tell them the lowest prices you've seen that item selling for. It does work more than half the time. Remember most sellers are there to move merchandise as quickly as possible.

On the flip side of that as a seller you have to make a buyer want to purchase what you have for sale. Most recently I had a binned 4960X from a Falcon Northwest gaming rig up for bidding or a buy it now price of $279. I got some ridiculous lowball offers and ignored them. I had to relist it three times before I got a serious bid of $250. I countered with $262.50, explained what the CPU was and why my price was fair and it sold plus the buyer gave me a glowing review. Considering I only had $50 in that CPU I did well. Buyers who only have a few purchases are far more likely to pay higher prices than those who are only there to flip hardware.

At 4.7GHz both of my 1680 V2's broke 21,000 on Passmark, one was only 400 points short of my 5960X at the same speed (64GB DDR3 2100 for the Xeon, 64GB DDR4 2600 for the 5960X). The other Xeon is running 64GB DDR3 1866 and barely broke 21,000 but did it at the lowest core voltage of all three.

 

[lexluthermiester]

At 4.7GHz both of my 1680 V2's broke 21,000 on Passmark, one was only 400 points short of my 5960X at the same speed (64GB DDR3 2100 for the Xeon, 64GB DDR4 2600 for the 5960X). The other Xeon is running 64GB DDR3 1866 and barely broke 21,000 but did it at the lowest core voltage of all three.

While that's impressive, I never consider overclocking in direct comparisons because it depends greatly on silicon lottery. Overclocking is a bonus in my eyes. However, an OC'd 1800X will easily exceed that 21000 score, so it's still an uneven match. Then you compare heat and costs for supporting parts like motherboard, RAM and cooling. Right now, the bang for buck choice is not in favor of the 1680V2.

 

[bobbybluz]

In my case already having everything but the CPU's on hand was a huge plus. After I got the first 1680 V2 I pulled the 4960X out of the X79 Sabertooth for it then scored another X79 Sabertooth for $135 to put the 4960X in. The second X79 Sabertooth had been on Ebay for months listed with non-functioning onboard audio. That didn't matter to me because I have a stash of Asus Xonar D2X audio cards. I made a lowball offer and the buyer took it. I made the $150 offer on the second 1680 V2 and the seller accepted. That left me with the 4960X to sell I mentioned above. The horse trading is part of the game for me but I doubt I'll be playing again for the foreseeable future at this point. I've liquidated or used nearly all of my once huge parts inventory and that makes my wife very happy. She still asks why I need 8 PC's but accepts my "Because I do" answer. Thankfully she's not demanding I clear all of my band & recording studio gear out of the dining room, living room and sunroom as often as she used to.

 

[lexluthermiester]

In my case already having everything but the CPU's on hand was a huge plus.

That's where it becomes a decent deal at current prices, when you already have the supporting equipment.

 

[Edwired]

Seen the 1660 v2 brand new sealed going for €720 on ebay that insane

 

[lexluthermiester]

Seen the 1660 v2 brand new sealed going for €720 on ebay that insane

It really is for a 9 year old CPU.

 

[andrecody]

Hello, I own a Biostar Tpower X58 motherboard and would like to upgrade beyond its specifications! Would this device support the Intel Xeon X5690 processor and ECC server memories? Is there any test already performed? I would like to know what are the configurations that I can perform so that this device provides its maximum capacity?
Thank you in advance.
With the best lengths.
Andrew

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hey there, welcome to TPU and the Xeon Club!

Hello, I own a Biostar Tpower X58 motherboard and would like to upgrade beyond its specifications! Would this device support the Intel Xeon X5690 processor and ECC server memories? Is there any test already performed? I would like to know what are the configurations that I can perform so that this device provides its maximum capacity?
Thank you in advance.
With the best lengths.
Andrew

Do you have a model number for the board in question? Biostar made a few X58 boards and it will help to know which one we are talking about.

However, as general rule, as long as you have the latest bios revision for your board, it should have the microcode for the X5600 series of Xeon CPU's. As for ECC memory, that's a bit trickier a question to answer and will depend on the board configuration.

EDIT; Is it this one?

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[Gdublu]

Anyone have experience with gigabyte. Guerilla x58? Can't find much info on the killer line other then release hype.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Anyone have experience with gigabyte. Guerilla x58? Can't find much info on the killer line other then release hype.

What would you like to know?

 

[Edwired]

Can you find any model number or name on the motherboard and we try and help you out.

Is this the motherboard

G1.Guerrilla (rev. 1.0) Overview | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

Here the list of supported cpu on that board

G1.Guerrilla (rev. 1.0) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

Anyone noticed the cinebench have a new update as it r21.207 and i saw the r20 have updated to R20.0.6
@lexluthermiester

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[lexluthermiester]

Cinebench - Filecroco Cinebench is known as an excellent tool for evaluating the performances of CPU and video card for your computer. It is a real-world cross platform […]

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Potential update? But it might be a fake too. The file name says Cinema4D which is R21. Wondering if there's a mix up?

https://www.maxon.net/en-us/support/downloads/#collapse-74657

Maxon's own site still lists R20.

 

[Edwired]

Must be some sort of mistake as it reporting as cinebench when it cinema 4d

Just wondering about voltages and timings are these good
The cpu speed is 4.25ghz with turbo enabled with the ram at 1700mhz
Front Side Bus Properties
Bus Type Intel QPI
Real Clock 170 MHz
Effective Clock 170 MHz
QPI Clock 3060 MHz
Memory Bus Properties
Bus Type Triple DDR3 SDRAM
Bus Width 192-bit
DRAM:FSB Ratio 5:1
Real Clock 850 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 1700 MHz
Bandwidth 40800 MB/s

BIOS Settings (ATK)
CPU PLL 1.800 V
CPU Voltage 1.29375 V
ICH PCIE 1.500 V
ICH 1.200 V
IOH PCIE 1.500 V
IOH 1.300 V
QPI/DRAM Core Volt 1.33750 V
CHA CTRL 0.500 X
CHA DATA 0.500 X
CHB CTRL 0.500 X
CHB DATA 0.500 X
CHC CTRL 0.500 X
CHC DATA 0.500 X
BCLK Frequency 170.00 MHz
DRAM Bus Voltage 1.64V

Memory Timings
CAS Latency (CL) 10T
RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD) 10T
RAS Precharge (tRP) 10T
RAS Active Time (tRAS) 28T
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 110T
Command Rate (CR) 2T
RAS To RAS Delay (tRRD) 7T
Write Recovery Time (tWR) 12T
Read To Read Delay (tRTR) Same Rank: 4T, Different Rank: 6T, Different DIMM: 7T
Read To Write Delay (tRTW) Same Rank: 11T, Different Rank: 11T, Different DIMM: 11T
Write To Read Delay (tWTR) 6T, Same Rank: 18T, Different Rank: 5T, Different DIMM: 5T
Write To Write Delay (tWTW) Same Rank: 4T, Different Rank: 7T, Different DIMM: 7T
Read To Precharge Delay (tRTP) 6T

Write To Precharge Delay (tWTP) 24T
Four Activate Window Delay (tFAW) 34T
Write CAS Latency (tWCL) 8T
CKE Min. Pulse Width (tCKE) 4T
Refresh Period (tREF) 6112T
Round Trip Latency (tRTL) 67T
Burst Length (BL) 8

These are copied from aida64
Is there any way to reduce timings and/or voltages let me know
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[Gdublu]

What would you like to know?

Just wondering how far stable I will be able to push the 8phase vrm compared to the assassins 16 phase. I have opportunity to pick up the assassin and wondering if it is worth it before I complete the build.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Just wondering how far stable I will be able to push the 8phase vrm compared to the assassins 16 phase. I have opportunity to pick up the assassin and wondering if it is worth it before I complete the build.

Go for it. 8Phase power is solid and will provide the performance you need.

These are copied from aida64
Is there any way to reduce timings and/or voltages let me know

It depends on the RAM, but as a general rule, if you want to tighten up the timings and keep the voltage low, you need to drop the clock. For example, 1600mhz would likely render 9-9-9-27-96. 1333 would likely render 7-7-7-21-84.

 

[Gdublu]

Can you find any model number or name on the motherboard and we try and help you out.

Is this the motherboard

G1.Guerrilla (rev. 1.0) Overview | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

Yes thats it.

Here the list of supported cpu on that board

G1.Guerrilla (rev. 1.0) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

Anyone noticed the cinebench have a new update as it r21.207 and i saw the r20 have updated to R20.0.6
@lexluthermiester

Cinebench - FileCroco

Not sure how your CPU is performing? You can easily test its performance with Cinebench. This benchmarking application will put your CPU through various rigorous […]

www.filecroco.com

Cinebench

Cinebench is the perfect tool to compare CPU and graphics performance across various systems and platforms

www.techspot.com

Can you find any model number or name on the motherboard and we try and help you out.

Is this the motherboard

G1.Guerrilla (rev. 1.0) Overview | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

Yes thats it. I have W3680 and X5675 to try in it.

Here the list of supported cpu on that board

G1.Guerrilla (rev. 1.0) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

Anyone noticed the cinebench have a new update as it r21.207 and i saw the r20 have updated to R20.0.6
@lexluthermiester

Cinebench - FileCroco

Not sure how your CPU is performing? You can easily test its performance with Cinebench. This benchmarking application will put your CPU through various rigorous […]

www.filecroco.com

Cinebench

Cinebench is the perfect tool to compare CPU and graphics performance across various systems and platforms

www.techspot.com

Can you find any model number or name on the motherboard and we try and help you out.

Is this the motherboard

G1.Guerrilla (rev. 1.0) Overview | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

Here the list of supported cpu on that board

G1.Guerrilla (rev. 1.0) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ...

www.gigabyte.com

Anyone noticed the cinebench have a new update as it r21.207 and i saw the r20 have updated to R20.0.6
@lexluthermiester

Cinebench - FileCroco

Not sure how your CPU is performing? You can easily test its performance with Cinebench. This benchmarking application will put your CPU through various rigorous […]

www.filecroco.com

Cinebench

Cinebench is the perfect tool to compare CPU and graphics performance across various systems and platforms

www.techspot.com

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes thats it. I have W3680 and X5675 to try in it.

You'll be fine. As long as you update the BIOS to at least F2 ( https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/G1Guerrilla-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios ), that board will support either of those CPU's. I would recommend the W3680 as it's unlocked and will make for an easy multiplier based OC. You should be able to get 4ghz out of it easily.

 

[Gdublu]

You'll be fine. As long as you update the BIOS to at least F2 ( https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/G1Guerrilla-rev-10/support#support-dl-bios ), that board will support either of those CPU's. I would recommend the W3680 as it's unlocked and will make for an easy multiplier based OC. You should be able to get 4ghz out of it easily.

Appearently the o.c. button on the I/O panel will clock it to 4 so I might not have to do much of anything. We will see as Im hoping for closer to 4.5 to keep up with my sons on their ryzen 5 3600 builds. Im using 3x4 vengence 1600 blue so hoping to be able to boost those as well. The board just arrived and It is immaculate. Is this board rare?

 

[johnspack]

Heh, I think you guys drove up 1680 prices! I paid 120us for mine over a year ago on ebay. Mine seems to suck on the silicon lottery though, 4.2 max at under 1.35v. 1.45 doesn't seem to get me much
more. Oh well.

 

[Edwired]

Go for it. 8Phase power is solid and will provide the performance you need.


It depends on the RAM, but as a general rule, if you want to tighten up the timings and keep the voltage low, you need to drop the clock. For example, 1600mhz would likely render 9-9-9-27-96. 1333 would likely render 7-7-7-21-84.

I was looking to get abit more speed out of the ram to keep up with the CPU as one of the ram timings if it go above one click the whole system locks up can't remember which one. As for the 96 and 84 trfc the ram I have does 88 trfc but had to loosen it to 110 trfc due to having 6x 2gb

 

[lexluthermiester]

Appearently the o.c. button on the I/O panel will clock it to 4 so I might not have to do much of anything. We will see as Im hoping for closer to 4.5 to keep up with my sons on their ryzen 5 3600 builds. Im using 3x4 vengence 1600 blue so hoping to be able to boost those as well.

4.5ghz is really pushing the limits of what that silicon can do. If you can get 4.3ghz or 4.4ghz, call it good and be happy!

Is this board rare?

I wouldn't call it rare. Uncommon? Sure, but not rare.

4.2 max at under 1.35v.

That's still a damn decent OC for that CPU.