Xeon Owners Club

[Socket2011]

I suppose anything short of an "all in one" AMD render farm is "obsolete".
Amazon rainforest is also obsolete. Burn it down and turn it into Chinese fast food ... HA!
I looked at the newer Xeon gold 5218. AVX 512 instruction , more pci-e lanes and 6 memory channels,. Intel just refined Broadwell slightly.
4 years , one more feature ... passmark- 20K to 22K . Xeon gold is also "Obsolete". 16 cores of the 5218 must have no better IPC than the Broadwell.
AMD blasted so far ahead of Intel after 2019 with cores and cache that Intel itself is almost obsolete.
I'm being facetious , but AMD fanboys should not call what runs 78% of the net "obsolete".

 

[Toothless]

It's not an AMD vs Intel thing. It's a personal opinion, and sometimes that can cause issues if worded wrongly.

 

[Socket2011]

Funny , I just read that Intel is making fun of AMD's chiplet architecture , saying that epyc is "glued together junk".
That's all they can do being 2 processes behind and "obsolete" !!

It's not an AMD vs Intel thing. It's a personal opinion, and sometimes that can cause issues if worded wrongly.

A personal opinion not based on fact , as technically all " lake" CPU's are enhanced Broadwell's , Intel playing around with the same ol' 14nm process
and refining the Finfet for more speed . I was able to get my broadwell NOW , as you were right ... half of the broadwell servers are being retired (E-waste).
The other half are still in service. Broadwell's and the "lakes" (gold/platinum) run most of the "poorer" parts of the world.

 

[Toothless]

Funny , I just read that Intel is making fun of AMD's chiplet architecture , saying that epyc is "glued together junk".
That's all they can do being 2 processes behind and "obsolete" !!


A personal opinion not based on fact , as technically all " lake" CPU's are enhanced Broadwell's , Intel playing around with the same ol' 14nm process
and refining the Finfet for more speed . I was able to get my broadwell NOW , as you were right ... half of the broadwell servers are being retired (E-waste).
The other half are still in service. Broadwell's and the "lakes" (gold/platinum) run most of the "poorer" parts of the world.

Pretty sure 12th gen isn't Broadwell at all.

Also just because they use the same 14nm (used to) doesn't mean it's the same chip. If you want to get nit-picky, then just say "all 'Lake' CPUs are Skylake."

Server side has been different since V2 for the most part minus the 16xx line that was unlocked. Sure you can do those clock speed hacks or whatever but that's not the same.

Xeon is made for server and sometimes workstation. That's about final. They don't always need per thread power, but more threads and cache. That means much more power, and dropped clocks to keep power in check.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I suppose anything short of an "all in one" AMD render farm is "obsolete".
Amazon rainforest is also obsolete. Burn it down and turn it into Chinese fast food ... HA!
I looked at the newer Xeon gold 5218. AVX 512 instruction , more pci-e lanes and 6 memory channels,. Intel just refined Broadwell slightly.
4 years , one more feature ... passmark- 20K to 22K . Xeon gold is also "Obsolete". 16 cores of the 5218 must have no better IPC than the Broadwell.
AMD blasted so far ahead of Intel after 2019 with cores and cache that Intel itself is almost obsolete.
I'm being facetious , but AMD fanboys should not call what runs 78% of the net "obsolete".

Skylake-SP and Broadwell-EP have pretty much nothing in common. Ring bus was replaced by mesh, core architecture is different, etc.

and who is an AMD fanboy?

 

[Socket2011]

yeah , lets get along and help each other ... I need to know how to get my broadwell to fall back to MFM (LPM) mode . It is listed as a valid mode (800mhz) , but
as my W10 does not see my system as a laptop ... all it does is fall back to 1200mhz (LFM). i have used registry entries to enable some normally hidden processor power features such
as the speedstep thresholds . I would love to have LPM sipping 2-3W. LFM is currently "sipping " 12W while watching TV and browsing. I'm sure it can be done , does anybody
have the answer ?? Most just want to overclock , hard to find info on enhanced power savings.

 

[Dr. Dro]

yeah , lets get along and help each other ... I need to know how to get my broadwell to fall back to MFM (LPM) mode . It is listed as a valid mode (800mhz) , but
as my W10 does not see my system as a laptop ... all it does is fall back to 1200mhz (LFM). i have used registry entries to enable some normally hidden processor power features such
as the speedstep thresholds . I would love to have LPM sipping 2-3W. LFM is currently "sipping " 12W while watching TV and browsing. I'm sure it can be done , does anybody
have the answer ?? Most just want to overclock , hard to find info on enhanced power savings.

That is by design. I don't think that 800 MHz mode is actually intended to be used. At that point, you're consuming so little energy that you're already in the power supply conversion loss range, possibly even with an 80+ Titanium PSU that has >90% efficiency at 10% load. I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

You can always try ThrottleStop, but i'm not sure it will be useful for that.

 

[Socket2011]

Yeah , I read about "mesh". Still little IPC gain. Son's comet lake still is nothing awesome 2/3 gens later than than my broadwell.

That is by design. I don't think that 800 MHz mode is actually intended to be used. At that point, you're consuming so little energy that you're already in the power supply conversion loss range, possibly even with an 80+ Titanium PSU that has >90% efficiency at 10% load. I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

You can always try ThrottleStop, but i'm not sure it will be useful for that.

Thank you , throttlestop does not install any persistent driver ... just tweaks registry entries. But again you are right , PS conversion losses would counteract
any CPU savings. I'm already running 36C/1200rpm fan while browsing+ TV. As I said - HTPC "heaven"...
I also updated my old 550ti video's BIOS. Low fan speed and it is underclocked. This is what us HTPC users go for - silence (but still overkill for HTPC).
My 3200 movies are all standard 1080P. I've seen 4K ... impressive but I don't lose sleep over it.

 

[Toothless]

Yeah , I read about "mesh". Still little IPC gain. Son's comet lake still is nothing awesome 2/3 gens later than than my broadwell.


Thank you , throttlestop does not install any persistent driver ... just tweaks registry entries. But again you are right , PS conversion losses would counteract
any CPU savings. I'm already running 36C/1200rpm fan while browsing+ TV. As I said - HTPC "heaven"...
I also updated my old 550ti video's BIOS. Low fan speed and it is underclocked. This is what us HTPC users go for - silence (but still overkill for HTPC).
My 3200 movies are all standard 1080P. I've seen 4K ... impressive but I don't lose sleep over it.

Do single core benchmarks and you'll see a difference.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Folks, this is the "Xeon Owners Club".. just throwing it out there.

 

[Socket2011]

Do single core benchmarks and you'll see a difference.

Yes , a 2021 RyZen is double single core to any pre 2018 intel. Intel barely pushes 2300 with their new 8380 platinum.
This is cool , as there will be many that will just consider Intel "obsolete" , I might get the next gen platinum's and gold as dirt cheap
e-waste. cool ... Thank U , AMD. Wow , what ripoff - 8500usd for 40 cores of "obsolete". Shit ,V4 was 2K single thread. platinum , my arse.
Still , more "obsolete" E-waste for me , as the world moves to EPYC.

I like my Xeon.

 

[Ruru]

I like my Xeon.

So do I, on my HTPC, X5675 @ 4.6 is still fine.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So do I, on my HTPC, X5675 @ 4.6 is still fine.

Hell, that would be good as a daily driver.

 

[Ruru]

Hell, that would be good as a daily driver.

Hey, nothing to complain, even its 290X runs games

 

[Socket2011]

Oh , one of those "strange" 3 channel beasts. I thought about passing through that family , went right to quad channel V1-v4 systems.
You overclock ,I stay stock (or underclock).

 

[Dr. Dro]

So do I, on my HTPC, X5675 @ 4.6 is still fine.

And I like my 4669 v3, too. I'm actually going to give that build some love after I get my new graphics card, a new case and heatsink ought to make it lovely for some time to come

 

[Ruru]

And I like my 4669 v3, too. I'm actually going to give that build some love after I get my new graphics card, a new case and heatsink ought to make it lovely for some time to come

Sounds hella fine.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Oh , one of those "strange" 3 channel beasts. I thought about passing through that family , went right to quad channel V1-v4 systems.
You overclock ,I stay stock (or underclock).

1366 was an excellent platform for it's day. It's still holding up, even though it's getting dated..

 

[Socket2011]

1366 was an excellent platform for it's day. It's still holding up, even though it's getting dated..

I went to the quad channel , as my VST emulated synths really benefited from 50-60gb memory speed. I noticed 64 voice mini-moogs just "flew" with V1.
I using them now , V4 ... I can run all 3 of my synths 64 voice at once with 30% usage. 70 % left over for serving the house. Effortless V4.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I went to the quad channel , as my VST emulated synths really benefited from 50-60gb memory speed. I noticed 64 voice mini-moogs just "flew" with V1.
I using them now , V4 ... I can run all 3 of my synths 64 voice at once with 30% usage. 70 % left over for serving the house. Effortless V4.

Nice. That is a use-case-scenario where memory bandwidth is key!

 

[Ruru]

1366 was an excellent platform for it's day. It's still holding up, even though it's getting dated..

Agree, even tho its DDR3 and PCIe 2.0, it still has its potential.

 

[Socket2011]

I just (ha ha )get 58gb/s with used /cheap ddr4 2133 quad. Only 32$ for 4 X 2400 ddr4 , would 65gb/s+ be worth it ?
Can't wait for those xeon gold's (to become "obsolete")with 6 X DDR4 2667 + , they do 100gb/s+.
What sucks is having a system that so outclasses the local ISP . capital of NYS , 150mb 3'rd world cable bandwidth. no alternatives.
No fiber in NYS's capital , just Spectrum monopoly.

Nice. That is a use-case-scenario where memory bandwidth is key!

Just raw processor power , as well. I'm sure a Ryzen would just "floor" this software. but the V4 , I even added my "spark" drum VST .. it just still flew with the V4.
I suppose I would need to render the next Pixar movie to need a Threadripper. yeah ! Burn a rainforest down , while I'm at it.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Agree, even tho its DDR3 and PCIe 2.0, it still has its potential.

Only problem with X58 is missing AVX instruction so some newer games are unable to be played on this platform...other than that is still totally fine for a daily driver.....

 

[lexluthermiester]

Only problem with X58 is missing AVX instruction so some newer games are unable to be played on this platform...other than that is still totally fine for a daily driver.....

True, and that's why it's getting dated. It not for a lack of performance because the higher clocked quad and hex core models do just fine.

 

[Toothless]

I just (ha ha )get 58gb/s with used /cheap ddr4 2133 quad. Only 32$ for 4 X 2400 ddr4 , would 65gb/s+ be worth it ?
Can't wait for those xeon gold's (to become "obsolete")with 6 X DDR4 2667 + , they do 100gb/s+.
What sucks is having a system that so outclasses the local ISP . capital of NYS , 150mb 3'rd world cable bandwidth. no alternatives.
No fiber in NYS's capital , just Spectrum monopoly.


Just raw processor power , as well. I'm sure a Ryzen would just "floor" this software. but the V4 , I even added my "spark" drum VST .. it just still flew with the V4.
I suppose I would need to render the next Pixar movie to need a Threadripper. yeah ! Burn a rainforest down , while I'm at it.

If everything you do is heavily multi-threaded and memory bound, then yeah dual socket Xeons are the way to go. I nabbed these for you as a comparison.

Maybe, for the sake of saving money, dual socket would be a good thing for ya. Could go for the medium core count/higher clocked Scalable chips and keep the six channels/chip going for probably 200GB/s (if your numbers are right) for your, applications.