Nephilim666It was clear from the get go that AMD was deliberately restricting it to 5000-series CPUs since 3000 series have the same I/O die. That it's just an implementation of a feature built into the interface spec is not surprising and it will be a coup if NVIDIA enable it for all SKUs and expose AMD's ruse.

Nephilim666It was clear from the get go that AMD was deliberately restricting it to 5000-series CPUs since 3000 series have the same I/O die. That it's just an implementation of a feature built into the interface spec is not surprising and it will be a coup if NVIDIA enable it for all SKUs and expose AMD's ruse.

Nephilim666It was clear from the get go that AMD was deliberately restricting it to 5000-series CPUs since 3000 series have the same I/O die. That it's just an implementation of a feature built into the interface spec is not surprising and it will be a coup if NVIDIA enable it for all SKUs and expose AMD's ruse.

ZoneDymoYeah, really dont understand the value in these practices, I mean, do the cpu's not sell well enough on their freaking fastest cpu's on the planet idea?
Do they really need people who just bought 3000 series to pay again for 5000? as if there isnt enough demand already…..

You want the ryzen 1000 - 2000 crowd and maybe some intel people, but you got those already purely on performance of the 5000 series....again really just dont get it.

Same with initially not allowing certain fidelity features on anything but RX5000 for no real reason, nobody with older cards is going to upgrade for that so just allow it on the established products right away….heck I would think that would give AMD hardware some extra value, that "fine whine" technology.

Nephilim666It was clear from the get go that AMD was deliberately restricting it to 5000-series CPUs since 3000 series have the same I/O die. That it's just an implementation of a feature built into the interface spec is not surprising and it will be a coup if NVIDIA enable it for all SKUs and expose AMD's ruse.

ZoneDymoYeah, really dont understand the value in these practices, I mean, do the cpu's not sell well enough on their freaking fastest cpu's on the planet idea?
Do they really need people who just bought 3000 series to pay again for 5000? as if there isnt enough demand already…..

You want the ryzen 1000 - 2000 crowd and maybe some intel people, but you got those already purely on performance of the 5000 series....again really just dont get it.

Same with initially not allowing certain fidelity features on anything but RX5000 for no real reason, nobody with older cards is going to upgrade for that so just allow it on the established products right away….heck I would think that would give AMD hardware some extra value, that "fine whine" technology.

AnarchoPrimitivOH get off of it, might I remind you that Nvidia has been doing this stuff for years, and the second AMD does it, they need to be "exposed"? Let's not forget that Nvidia has literally, ten times the financial resources that AMD does, and yet, nearly everyone seems to forget this an just has this expectation that AMD should NOT ONLY, be able to compete with Nvidia as a peer, but also to be morally puritanical as well, all while trying to overcome extreme disadvantages to their competition in both Nvidia and Intel, it's completely ridiculous.

The very fact that your complaining about not getting an extra theoretical 2%-10% of performance with a graphics card you don't even own is ridiculous. I never like to assume intentions, but I'm having a hard time believing someone to be this unreasonable, so it comes off as just a pretext.

AnarchoPrimitivDo you not know the history of Nvidia vs AMD? Especially in the late 2000s to early 2010s? Even when AMD had undisputable better cards at better prices, Nvidia STILL outsold AMD...that can't be explained by rational behavior and comparing reviews. What I'm saying is that AMD's GPU division has a huge uphill climb, and literally, based on all historical precedent, the fact that the 6000 series cards have the performance they need to compete, STILL DOES NOT GUARANTEE AMD DECENT SALES. This feature is not about selling CPUs, it's about selling GPUs primarily. Again, let me remind everyone that AMD is magnitudes smaller than both Nvidia and Intel and neither of them will go on much longer without answering AMD back, so it's essential that AMD makes hay while the sun is shinning so that when their competition does answer back, AMD's resurgence isn't quickly snuffed out and we go back to CPU stagnation and GPU price gouging. I realize a lot of people are just thinking about what's immediately good for them, but try and think about what benefits the consumer in the long run... an AMD that has the financial resources to compete with much larger companies in 5 to 10 years.

I refuse to go back to the era of Intel operating with impunity and giving 5% performance uplifts for high prices,... And just the glimpse we received of the RTX 2000 series price hikes should scare everyone about what would happen if AMD stops competing above midrange with GPUs. I'm not saying any of this as an AMD fan, but a self interested consumer who has greatly enjoyed the last three years and is terrified of it ceasing to exist

SIGSEGVThe magical black leather jacket just works.

z1n0xSo people give AMD shit for restricting it to Ryzen 5000, but a pass to Nvidia for only enabling it on Ampere, even though it been part of the PCIe spec. for a long time.
Don't you just love them double standards, always good for laughs.