Time to update the motherboards layout!

[pavle]

That's false. My own case has a fan on top and the top back side wall is always warm or warmer/hot...

That is correct, however you _can make a hole there and put another exhaust fan there. I did that in one of my boxes way back when Duron (ThoroughbredB) was a thing.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

@ARF give a look at the Nexus Caterpillar case, 180° flipped rotated MB layout, mod the panel for a view if that's your fancy.


"PC", more like PC components on a box and up against the wall type of a case. CPU passive water cooled, if passive does not count the coolant pump.

 

[Bill_Bright]

That's false. My own case has a fan on top and the top back side wall is always warm or warmer/hot.

No, it is not false. You just showed that the entire inside of your case gets warm - which is perfectly normal. Or it shows YOU HAVE FAILED to properly set up case cooling - which would not be a surprise, based on your response. Your response, where you believe because something happens as illustrated by your little anecdotal example in your own tiny universe, that it must, therefore, apply to everyone everywhere and anyone who says different is wrong. Yeah right.

@ARF
if your case gets hot, you dont have enough airflow to remove the heat

Exactly!

 

[droopyRO]

I follow a simple rule, if the GPU and/or CPU gets better temps with the side panel off, then there is a case cooling problem. If the case gets warm but the components are fine, i don't care.

 

[AusWolf]

That's also not true. The GPU is the hottest PC part, there is basically nothing else beside the CPU that generates even remotely close quantities of heat.
When you move the GPU on top and put it in its own cage, you will effectively isolate it from the other PC parts and make everything much cooler, quieter, and GPU itself much smaller because it won't require so large heatsinks!

That's exactly what I said.

 

[DaemonForce]

I've had AMD chipsets that get hotter than my RX 580 and 7900 XT among others. I've also had a Pentium 4 and ICH5R chipset compete for hottest component on record and still found them completely insufferable even with water blocks strapped to them. The only way a GPU is going to be the hottest component is when power delivery fails in some spectacular way (probably 12VHPWR) and cooks the PCI-E connector. I'm not a fan of chasing thermal records but almost none of them are the GPU.

 

[AusWolf]

I've had AMD chipsets that get hotter than my RX 580 and 7900 XT among others. I've also had a Pentium 4 and ICH5R chipset compete for hottest component on record and still found them completely insufferable even with water blocks strapped to them. The only way a GPU is going to be the hottest component is when power delivery fails in some spectacular way (probably 12VHPWR) and cooks the PCI-E connector. I'm not a fan of chasing thermal records but almost none of them are the GPU.

Let me correct myself: instead of the hottest component, let's call the graphics card the component with the highest heat output.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

BTW with graphic cards that big the manufacturers can easily return to the design when the graphic cards expelled all hot air directly out of the computer in the back. You can pass literally kilowatts of heat through the surface area that graphics cards occupy on the back wall of the computer (3 slots high).

I watched the video of the guy making the ducts in the case. The CPU cooler is so big that it is literally few centimetres away from the back fan that is usualy in the case and that will take care of all the hot air the CPU produced, and if the graphic card would be expelling all hot air in the back as well, all ducting would not be necessary.

 

[Waldorf]

@BoggledBeagle
true, but only if you like vacuum type noise once you go past midrange.
since arctic stopped making blower type fans for gpus, i haven't heard a single one
that isnt getting loud at operating temp u get with gaming.

 

[Carlyle2020hs]

@BoggledBeagle
true, but only if you like vacuum type noise once you go past midrange.
since arctic stopped making blower type fans for gpus, i haven't heard a single one
that isnt getting loud at operating temp u get with gaming.

You´re so right about the sound concerning blower style cards.

I have 2x FT02 cases made for 3x 2slot blower style cards and it took quiet the sounddampening and ducting to get them to normal soundlevels.

V1

rear exhaust for the upper outlet

V2

As far as i know this is the only case where 3x blower type of cards don´t blow:

V2 is currently waiting to find another user to claim it fo active duty, IF you can afford the shipping. One door alone is 18,52 pounds.

 

[damric]

The Cooler Master QUBE can be configured to run 5 different ways.

My wife has hers flipped 90 degrees so that the graphics card hangs from the top and the normally rear I/O ports are on top. It works nicely because she has a ton of I/O stuff constantly needing plugged and unplugged.

I have the same case but I flipped mine horizontal HAF XB style.

The little feet pop on and off and the side panels are modular so it's just a fun case to build.

As far as reconfiguring motherboards, I guess the first thing I would relocate is the front panel sound header. Why on earth do they put it as far away as possible in the lower left corner.

 

[freeagent]

Upside down SLi wooo

 

[arbiter]

Upside down SLi wooo

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that is exactly what i was saying all that need to do. build cases like this as it solves the problem the OP thinks needs a change, but it uses all current hardware designs without any changes. Win-Win

 

[Waldorf]

besides drawing the hooter air from top of the case, short of LC, which wont require redesign.
like me and many others said, change is welcome, but many options making this more or less an artificial problem.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I can't even imagine the amount of waste what a significant change like that would make since ATX has been the main standard since 1995.

1995?! We were still using AT in 1995 and 1996! A lot of systems still were SIMMs for RAM slots as well!

 

[Keullo-e]

1995?! We were still using AT in 1995 and 1996! A lot of systems still were SIMMs for RAM slots as well!

ATX - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"ATX (Advanced Technology Extended) is a motherboard and power supply configuration specification, patented by David Dent in 1995 at Intel,[1] to improve on previous de facto standards like the AT design."

And I've seen ATX boards with SIMM sockets so those coexisted

 

[freeagent]

I am totally ok with the way things are now, no need to change imo..

 

[Keullo-e]

I am totally ok with the way things are now, no need to change imo..

Though the new invention is interesting where there are cutouts in cases and the connectors are in the back of the motherboard.

 

[Waldorf]

@Keullo-e
patenting something doesnt mean i can buy it tmrw, especially almost 30y ago...

 

[Keullo-e]

@Keullo-e
patenting something doesnt mean i can buy it tmrw, especially almost 30y ago...

Could be from 1996.

Intel Advanced/ATX (Thor)

Intel Advanced/ATX (Thor) is a motherboard based on the Intel 430FX (PCIset FX Triton I) chipset. Get specs, BIOS, documentation and more!

theretroweb.com

 

[redeye]

that new motherboard design will need to have a redesigned case.

rotate a mini-ITX motherboard so the gpu faces up. (and newly designed case)
or use a riser cable to mount the GPU vertically.

or just WATERCOOL the GPU. not to hard to find a Case with a mesh front inlet, and can hold a Radiator in front…(lancool III) …

 

[AusWolf]

rotate a mini-ITX motherboard so the gpu faces up. (and newly designed case)

I have a Silverstone Milo ML-09B that does exactly that.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I

"ATX (Advanced Technology Extended) is a motherboard and power supply configuration specification, patented by David Dent in 1995 at Intel,[1] to improve on previous de facto standards like the AT design."

And I've seen ATX boards with SIMM sockets so those coexisted

I forget now, but I thought I saw AT-style plugs (the DC-out-plugs that plug in to the motherboard) on the Pentium 133 systems. (probably up to 166 MHz)

Now, would that be pre-ATX, if I see the CPU on the bottom-right? I saw that a lot with anything before Pentium II. ATX is usually top-left!

 

[Waldorf]

@redeye
then your still taking the hit on the cpu/case/parts temps.
rather get a bigger case/one with additional side opening,
as usually setting the rad to exhaust (directly) to outside, is the best option/higest gains for lowering temps.

 

[redeye]

@redeye
then your still taking the hit on the cpu/case/parts temps.
rather get a bigger case/one with additional side opening,
as usually setting the rad to exhaust (directly) to outside, is the best option/higest gains for lowering temps.

the top fans are intake from outside through a 240 radiator in top of the case.

should probably remove that top rad, not doing much.

the lancool III has side vents (mesh panel) both sides at the bottom, starting from the shelf above the PSU to the bottom of the case. the glass panel is from the that shelf to the top of the case. hard to see when both case
doors are open.