btarunrThe Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition will be NVIDIA's bid to compete with the GTX 680

radrokI'm sorry but August is too late for the 7990 and will probably be very close to next gen GPUs.

XzibitI don't know how it can be too late when your competitor hasnt even finished releasing their product line.

We've yet to hear about the 650, 660, 660 Ti.

We wont be hearing about Sea Island until the Q4'-Q1'13 so I dont see the time constrant.

XzibitWe wont be hearing about Sea Island until the Q4'-Q1'13 so I don't see the time constraint.

btarunrApart from a few Radeon HD 7970 "X2" dual-GPU graphics cards, and a few non-reference design HD 7970, we didn't hear much about new Radeon SKUs, at Computex. AMD or its partners never even talked about the Radeon HD 7990. It appears now, that the company is working on three new SKUs that will likely replace existing ones, in a bid to replenish the competitiveness of its "Southern Islands" GPU family. The three new SKUs include the Radeon HD 7990, of which we've been hearing for a greater part of this year; the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, which we knew was taking shape for some time now; and the new Radeon HD 7930.

Launch of the Radeon HD 7990 has been facing quite a few delays. We can't imagine technical hurdles with regard to board design, but the performance yield, and performance-per-Watt figures the SKU will have to produce, to ever make it to the market. The HD 7990 has the tough task of performing within an acceptable range of the GeForce GTX 690, on both these fronts.

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The Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition will be NVIDIA's bid to compete with the GTX 680, if merely lowering prices won't cut it for the HD 7970. AMD will raise the reference clock speeds for the HD 7970. Lastly, we're hearing of a new SKU, called HD 7930, codenamed "Tahiti LE". This SKU was first spotted when keen observers were poking around with driver information files. It's likely to be a cut-down 28 nm "Tahiti" GPU. It will be interesting to see how AMD prices it, seeing as how it's a tight squeeze between the HD 7870 GHz Edition and HD 7950.

According to a fresh 3DCenter.org report, launch of the HD 7990 is pushed all the way back to August (mid-Summer). The HD 7970 GHz Edition, if real, should be just around the corner, with a June launch predicted. The HD 7930, on the other hand, could be out after June, if the competition gets tough following launch of upper-mainstream NVIDIA SKUs.

Source: 3DCenter.org

alwaysstsSeptember/Oct both make sense, and seems doable considering the size one would expect it to be (similar to gk104).

BenetanegiaWith a smaller die on the same process, much faster performance is definitely not going to happen and they would expose themselves to Nvidia releasing a 400 mm^2 chip which is more balanced than GK104 on it's resources (look at the GTX670) and as such much faster. Not to mention the GK110.

T4C Fantasyeveryone just be happy amd is doing something.. amd still has more SKUs than nvidia.. nvidia is the lazy ones not amd.

XzibitNvidia has never released a bigger die-size then its flagship after going to a new fab process for its current line

Nvidia themselves already established that the GK110 is Tesla only this time around and wont be seen until Q4.

alwaysstsI think as soon as 660ti and 660 launch AMD will be on the true defensive, as those parts will assuredly be both clocked and priced competitively with Pitcairn (7800). As soon as that becomes a less viable cash-cow, which really is all they care about at this point, the obvious choice would be to refresh the lineup with a chip clocked to perform better than a stock 680/670 and reap the rewards.

BenetanegiaAnd that's good? Having choices is good, but having 1 card every $10-20 increase in price is terribly bad for us. I'm not talking solely about AMD, both AMD and Nvidia do it. Historically 3 segments with 1 or 2 cards was enough. When there was a gap it would be naturally taken by the next faster card, by pure force of market reality and demand. i.e. no demand for $300 card, only for $250 card, hence $300 card drops to $250. That's basic capìtalism. Now they release dozens of cards every $10, so that the price points are not affected and many of those filling cards are more limited in quantity and defnitely marketing (HDxx30, Nvidia's SE cards). It's the equivalent of banks buying shares which they manage at high prices so that the price does not plummet (Facebook).

T4C Fantasyreally are you serious every 10$? its every 100 dollars for the high range models, this is retaila price NOT current price

HD7970 $549
HD7950 $449
HD7870 $349
HD7850 $249
HD7770 $159
HD7750 $109

remeber ON Day Release prices! now its

HD7970 $449
HD7950 $359
HD7870 $319
HD7850 $239
HD7770 $129
HD7750 $109

thank this post even if you dont agree with its context... im informing people prices for each model lol this is neweggs lowest price for each model listed

BenetanegiaFirst of all, it was an obvious hyperbole.

Secondly, the fact that they inflated so much the prices this round and thus my $10-20 comment is no longer anywhere close to accurate, that does not change the fact that I'm right anyway. And I'm not going to thank your post because it lacks half the lineup, probably because it would prove my point. :p

T4C Fantasyhalf the lineup.. they are not sold on newegg :P HD7670 and below are OEM sold only.... aka no real price for them in the retail market.. aka your wrong...and! when you choose an HD7670 from an oem its like paying for an HD7870 because thats how much they add in their customization button lol

T4C FantasyHAVE to expect a price drop ^^

but as for gpus.... its not going to happen.

BenetanegiaAnd that means nothing. I can also say that Nvidia has never released a flagship chip smaller than 400 mm^2 and now they did (and didn't actually since GK104 is not the flagship). If you think Nvidia will not release a larger chip, either in the form of GK110 or something else in this 28nm process that is so much better than previous ones (despite supply constrains) and where they have so much room left... well you are crazier than I thought.

BenetanegiaLink? All I've seen said is that for the time being and until AMD has something to combat them, it's not on their plan to do so. But the chip will ship and in good quantities (for a chip that class) as Tesla and Quadro. Any real threat from AMD in Q4 and only 2.5-3 months (waffer order) separates Nvidia from their GK110 based GeForce card. That's a lot more than enough unless AMD does not market their New product at all and use CIA/KGB tactics to mantain everybody silent.

benetanegiaagain the fact that they are selling shoulda be low end chips at higher price points, does not make you right. It doesn't make you right the fact that they don't currently sell half the hd7000 lineup on newegg. They do sell the hd6xxx cards which are actually the same cards, so you are wonrg! Or were you suggesting that amd does not have retail lineup below $110??



And when that happens, and both nvidia and amd cards come down to the price at which they should have been released to being with, my point will be fully true, even the hyperbole will be true for a good chunk of cards. The rest (higher end) will be separated by $30-50 max and non-ref oc versions of cards will overlap in price with faster cards, which is completely ridiculous.

Remember prices drop, less with this tactic i mentioned, but they drop, but skus stay. 4 months from now and you'll see my point being fully true. Or far worse and prices will remain the same (well it already happened with hd6000, gtx500 but we can only hope), ironically making my point true also. :laugh:

XzibitMy comment was based on Nvidia history based on facts.

BenetanegiaAgain the fact that they are selling shoulda be low end chips at higher price points, does not make you right. It doesn't make you right the fact that they don't currently sell half the HD7000 lineup on Newegg. They DO sell the HD6xxx cards which are actually the same cards, so you are wonrg! Or were you suggesting that AMD does not have retail lineup below $110??



And when that happens, and both Nvidia and AMD cards come down to the price at which they should have been released to being with, my point will be fully true, even the hyperbole will be true for a good chunk of cards. The rest (higher end) will be separated by $30-50 max and non-ref OC versions of cards will overlap in price with faster cards, which is completely ridiculous.

Remember prices drop, less with this tactic I mentioned, but they drop, but SKUs stay. 4 months from now and you'll see my point being fully true. OR far worse and prices will remain the same (well it already happened with HD6000, GTX500 but we can only hope), ironically making my point true also. :laugh:



It's happened before: HD4000, HD5000, HD6000. 8800/9800, GTX400, GTX500... and will happen again. This generation they are both just selling shoulda be $300 cards for $500 and so it looks like it's not happening, but IS happening already (HD7930 announced).