Sunday, August 18th 2013
HWBot No Longer Accepts Record Submissions from Windows 8
HWBot announced that it no longer accepts benchmark record submissions from PCs running Windows 8. It discovered that the way Windows 8 handles real-time clock (RTC), compromises the veracity of benchmark results. HWBot announced that is looking into possible solutions for the problem, and till such a time, it won't accept benchmark result submissions from Windows 8 PCs. This decision could affect leaderboards and records set using Windows 8 benches, and could greatly stunt adoption of the operating system among the professional overclocking community. A statement by HWBot reads;
As the result of weekend-time research, the HWBOT staff has decided to invalidate all benchmark records established with the Windows8 operating system. Due to severe validity problems with the Windows8 real time clock ("RTC"), benchmarks results achieved with Windows8 cannot be trusted. The main problem lies with the RTC being affected when over- or underclocking under the operating system. The operating system uses the RTC as reference clock, and benchmarks use it to reference (benchmark) time.
81 Comments on HWBot No Longer Accepts Record Submissions from Windows 8
Seriously though, this thread is about HWbot's problem with win8, not Linux vs Win8:)
It's not hwbot's problem. hwbot just revealed the problem ;)
Oh, and IE10/11 is one of the most secure browsers out there. The sandbox (or integrity levels as it's called in Windows) is more stringent and secure than the one Chrome uses. Chrome uses the Low_Level integrity level sandbox while IE10 and above uses the App_Locker integrity level sandbox which was what they introduced in Windows 8 to be one level even below Low_Level integrity.
My personal preference for browsers is Firefox, but if I had to pick the most secure browser to use in Windows, it would be IE10 (or 11, when it's released) without a second thought. People like you really need to educate themselves on the massive security improvements in Windows as you're all stuck in the 90's with your assumptions and bias of Windows and especially IE security. Everyone fellates Chrome and its security model when in fact it was IE that beat Chrome in both sandboxing and multi-process security.
The reason it boots faster is because it hibernates by default, instead of properly shutting down like you asked it to.
My laptop already goes into hibernate by default (usually 10-15 minutes after going into sleep, which happens when I close the lid on it). My desktop is on 24/7. When I go into the shutdown menu on either one, it's usually because I want a proper shutdown and cold boot, not a suspend-to-disk event and a resume shortly afterward.
This issue is caused by changing BCLK within Windows
So this is what happens:
1- "X" boots his PC at stock BCLK
2- W8 makes RTC calculations at boot time
3- "X" changes BCLK while in Windows.
4- W8 doesn't sync the RTC with the new BCLK value
5- "X" benches and sends dodgy result to HWBOT
AMD CPUs don't seem to be affected as Massman posted.
Who does this affect here? Like 10 people total that benchmark and post to Hwbot?? Though I suppose now that it was posted you may have some people benching it here in those scores... so, like Hwbot, just do not allow W8 to be used until it gets fixed. :toast:You would probably care if you were actually participating/competing there. Its cheating if used, plain and simple.
This was originally a problem in Windows 7. Linking the high performance timer directly to the BCLK was introduced as a new feature for Windows 7 to conform to ACPI. If you adjust the BCLK in Windows 7 or Windows 8, try the WinTimerTester program and post your results.
Here's some background info.
forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/568525-setfsb-game-timing-problem-g60jx-2.html#post7364805
Fast boot also known to cause possible damage.
Seriously, this isnt even a thread about windows 8, but still it feels like people come at it to bash win8 like flies are attracted to shi.. Poo!
I mean, its not a bad OS to use(seriously), it was actually really cheap(30 dollar/euro when it came out), and technically one of the most advanced OS-es ever made.
Noone comes to linux or old windows related threads to bash those OS-es because of their worse support or worse user friendliness now do they.
If you don't own windows 8, and didn't ever bother to properly test/use it for like a month of daily use, then imho you simply don't have a lot of right to say stuff about it.
So quit posting stuff about windows 8 already!
On topic: Has anyone heard anything about if this has been found on any platform besides Haswell yet? Looks to me atm that the problem is confined to users combining Haswell overclocking during the running of windows 8.