as i said here:

www.techpowerup.com/192097/final-radeon-r9-290-series-specifications-leaked.html

"No ROPs spec. there, but i think will be in a good number :cool:"


;)

springs113Either way I don't want to be paying $800 for another 780, heres to the 4800 days from the red team.

In all honesty the 4800 days are still here and now is potentially even better than back then. Today you can get a 365mm^2 Tahiti (R9 280X) for $299. In the 4800 days you could only get a 256mm^2 RV770 (HD 4870) for $299, so you are actually getting more die for your money.

What's changed is that now AMD is offering even bigger dies for more money, an option that was not available in the 4800 days.

Even the HD 7990 is now comparable to the price of the HD 4870 X2; you can pick up a MSI 7990 for $549, same as the MSRP for the HD 4870 X2.

The Von MatricesIn all honesty the 4800 days are still here and now is potentially even better than back then. Today you can get a 365mm^2 Tahiti (R9 280X) for $299. In the 4800 days you could only get a 256mm^2 RV770 (HD 4870) for $299, so you are actually getting more die for your money.

What's changed is that now AMD is offering even bigger dies for more money, an option that was not available in the 4800 days.

Even the HD 7990 is now comparable to the price of the HD 4870 X2; you can pick up a MSI 7990 for $549, same as the MSRP for the HD 4870 X2.

I know but I(we) need a price war.

The Von MatricesEven the HD 7990 is now comparable to the price of the HD 4870 X2; you can pick up a MSI 7990 for $549, same as the MSRP for the HD 4870 X2.

Cheapest I can find is 600$ in US and 600Eu in the shitty full of taxes Europe. Can this mean that the 290x will have the same performance of a 7990?? I wonder...

Was just over newegg and saw this...

AMD Radeon™ R9 Series graphics. Built to play...

From what I'm hearing from my sources you'd need an overclocked (not sure how far) GTX780 to match a stock R9 290X. Everything's still under NDA, so everyone's still being coy about it. Can't wait for the 15th!

Cataclysm_ZAFrom what I'm hearing from my sources you'd need an overclocked (not sure how far) GTX780 to match a stock R9 290X. Everything's still under NDA, so everyone's still being coy about it. Can't wait for the 15th!

Haha nice one dude,

too bad we cant take your word for it:)

Mathraghtoo bad we cant take your word for it:)

Sadly, this will always be the case until I work my way up to the same level as guys like Wizzard. But even with all the speculations and rumors, on paper the card is pretty impressive. My opinion from what we've seen so far is that there will be a good bit of headroom to exploit for overclockers and average Joe who just moves the sliders in Catalyst.

I also wonder if AMD will ever do a half-cycle refresh and introducing higher-end version of the X-cards, giving us a R7 265X or R8 295X. If the next generation takes another two years to surface then I don't see why they wouldn't do it.

Cataclysm_ZASadly, this will always be the case until I work my way up to the same level as guys like Wizzard.

Once you work your way up to that level you will probably be required to sign NDA which limits your ability to post details about the card anyway :toast:

FourstaffOnce you work your way up to that level you will probably be required to sign NDA which limits your ability to post details about the card anyway :toast:

You have to burst my bubble, eh? :-P

Fair enough, though, I would have my tongue tied in that case. Although so many leakers are on GAF and other forums like GAF that it makes me wonder if companies hire people to do it intentionally.

Cataclysm_ZAYou have to burst my bubble, eh? :-P

Fair enough, though, I would have my tongue tied in that case. Although so many leakers are on GAF and other forums like GAF that it makes me wonder if companies hire people to do it intentionally.

Extremely plausible. Having people on forums drumming up hype is as old as the internet.

videocardz.com/46610/amd-hawaii-r9-290-series-gpu-diagram-leaks

This looks to be an epic release.

The Von MatricesI just don't understand the hype over some of the features AMD is touting when we have been down a similar path before.

For almost a decade NVidia (since the 8800 series) has been trying to force everyone into the belief that CUDA and PhysX as the greatest things on Earth. Since then it has only been a disappointment in the gaming world with very few games supporting these features and their benefits being minimal at best. Now we have AMD touting Mantle and TrueAudio with no games to demonstrate them, limited performance data, and only the promise that support will come in the future. This is NVidia circa the 8800 series, and I see no reason why this situation will turn out any differently.

Anyone who buys an graphics card (or any product) based upon what the manufacturer promises in the future is crazy. Buy a card based on what it supports now, not what the manufacturer claims it will support in the future.

No, you are wrong, it is a completely different situation. It is different because Mantle will be made available to developers for use in creating games for the Xbox One, the Playstation 4, AND the PC market. Never before has a single engine been the basis for the development of such an overwhelming share of the market for games.

Mantle changes everything, and never did nVidia come close to having a similar situation.

I think now would be a good time to buy AMD stock as a long term investment. :D

HorruxI think now would be a good time to buy AMD stock as a long term investment. :D

Sadly, history has shown us that AMD can easily turn a splendid opportunity into management disasters. :banghead: And, so far, I think execution has been lacking. For all the fanfare they threw you'd think Mantle would be ready in the next two-three months but it turns out it won't be until Q3 2014 that it will be generally available and the first test case (BF4 Mantle renderer) is two months away :shadedshu

If I were AMD I wouldn't even publicize it. Ship BF4, then the Mantle renderer as a patch and let reviewers figure out why BF4 suddenly got a BIG boost on AMD hardware. After news hit the mainstream present Mantle. This way they would have results to show and ANSWERS (something they don't have right now).

Is Mantle coming with speed improvements only, or also some quality ones too ??

Prima.VeraIs Mantle coming with speed improvements only, or also some quality ones too ??

I'm not sure if you can see those two unrelated to one another. Or do you mean more functions?

TRWOVSadly, history has shown us that AMD can easily turn a splendid opportunity into management disasters. :banghead: And, so far, I think execution has been lacking. For all the fanfare they threw you'd think Mantle would be ready in the next two-three months but it turns out it won't be until Q3 2014 that it will be generally available and the first test case (BF4 Mantle renderer) is two months away :shadedshu

If I were AMD I wouldn't even publicize it. Ship BF4, then the Mantle renderer as a patch and let reviewers figure out why BF4 suddenly got a BIG boost on AMD hardware. After news hit the mainstream present Mantle. This way they would have results to show and ANSWERS (something they don't have right now).

Amd is not telling us the answers because speculation and talk are worth money not because they dont know.
They have been working on this a while and its likely an aggregated piece of tech they already had parts of, they announced they are working on it with dice alone due to a PR first exclusive deal with dice just like crystal dynamics got with tressfx(others were/are incorporating it into there games)

IT IS NOT JUST AMD AND DICE WORKING ON MANTEL and mantel has nothing to do with 64 Rops on a gpu.:confused:

read between the lines of the many rumours and facts and more indirect links exist then there has bean announced ,I for one do not think a company asked to work on a driver for 5-6 different markets(pc-sony-micro$oft-nintendno-steam?-and mobile(temash) would not try and work on the ties.:D

to extend on that theory they all have cpu's though they are not all the same (interesting) all have gpu elements in built and, and all have special purpose dsp's something most ip companys are already very familiar with and everyone wants a language that will run on them all and do what we want in the most Optimised and efficient way.

Those 64ROPs will bring ~ 64Gpixel/s, finally!






Nvidia's response might be GK180 aka. full 15SMX GK110 chip with some minor improvements.

Speaking of GK110 with DP is IMO a joke,. I mean 7970 has the same DP power and because its AMD its not worth mentioning, but if its nvidia then this gpu is cream de la cream and justifies 800-1000$ price mark lol


I bet R9-290X will be at least 30-35% faster by min fps then "full GK110" with 14SMX and nv can :nutkick:

We won't know anything until midnight Monday.

I don't have a lot of confidence in either NVIDIA or AMD at the moment, but there's always hope.

From the slides above, it would seem that an increase in performance of 50% above the 7970 Ghz edition might be possible?

If they achieve such a thing, well, I'll be a happy shopper! :D

I'm just hoping it isn't all hype and it (290X) will really perform. I'm been saving up some money and I hope to scratch my upgrade itch when it becomes available. :)

adulaaminI'm just hoping it isn't all hype and it (290X) will really perform. I'm been saving up some money and I hope to scratch my upgrade itch when it becomes available. :)

I might be weaping Monday then , , still there's always next time.

theoneandonlymrkI might be weaping Monday then , , still there's always next time.

I don't know, sometimes I think AMD has used up all of their "next time"s and yet, they keep coming up with more... :confused:

whats the conclusion on these cards??

been away and missed it all!

(90+30+30+90+20+24+5)/7= 41.28%
I wonder if it will go there