Friday, June 19th 2015
Radeon R9 Fury X Faster Than GeForce GTX 980 Ti at 4K: AMD
AMD, in its press documents, claimed that its upcoming flagship single-GPU graphics card, the Radeon R9 Fury X, will be faster than NVIDIA's recently launched GeForce GTX 980 Ti, at 4K Ultra HD resolution. This puts to rest speculation that its 4 GB of video memory hampers performance against its competitor with 6 GB of memory. From the graph below, which was extracted from AMD's press material, the R9 Fury X will be faster than the GTX 980 Ti, in even the most memory-intensive games at 4K, including Far Cry 4, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, Crysis 3, Assassins Creed: Unity, and Battlefield 4. Bigger gains are shown in other games. In every single game tested, the R9 Fury X is offering frame-rates of at least 35 fps. The Radeon R9 Fury X will launch at $649.99 (the same price as the GTX 980 Ti), next week, with market availability within the following 3 weeks.
Source:
The TechReport
102 Comments on Radeon R9 Fury X Faster Than GeForce GTX 980 Ti at 4K: AMD
AMD RuleZ!!! ;)
It can't be for a support bracket as the card is too short to require one.
Then I found the user guide and fired the second barrel!
support.amd.com/Documents/amd-radeon-r9-fury-x.pdf
Im getting a 32Inch IPS 4k Samsung Freesync Monitor, and at first one Fury X, later on two when they add freesync driver for Crossfire X.
Why ? I always wanted a 32Inch 4k Monitor, IPS is better than TN, with the new target frame, i can keep all games at 60 fps in 4k with 2 GPUs, and most importantly of all i also got two HDMI inputs to use my Consoles, the allready owned PS4 and the future XBOX one.
With the G-Sync and the ASUS ROG Swift, it can only be used over the Display port, nad i was forced to use my 55 Samsung TV with the PS4, when staying on desktop because im using mouse and keyboard on console 3d shooters, and the TV is mounted above the monitor. Which is bad !
Now i see the Radeon Fury X with its 4gb of memory is enough for 4k (im not using AA), and it has 650 USD launch price.
As it is now i was going to need to spend 2200 EUR on two titan Xs and another 250 EUR on waterblocks.
Going AMD i am spending 1100 on monitor and 1300 EUR on GPUs, whereby i am selling my GSYNC monitor with about 600. So i am spending about 1800 EUR compared to 2500, and i get IPS, 4k, HDMI in and freesync, not to mention 32inch monitor.
Guess which one is the better option !
You got to use your brains for a minute boy, not just look at standards and compare 1.4 with 2.0
Theory is another, practice is something else entirely !
Is it possible to someone remove that.
Compare with new CORSAIR AIO systems and EVGA Hybrid look very bad.
But card itself look excellent. LED diodes and BIOS switch are very nice option for reference card.
These AMD models will not be available in my country only under brands as ASUS, MSI, Sapphire.
I am a long time lurker in this site but this comment was so stupid i had to create an accout to answer it. So congratulations on that.
There is a monitor which is ips and equal to the rog swift, acer xb270hu which has the same price, same specs so ips argument is invalid from the start. You can also buy it today as it was released at may 2015. Now for the 4k part, there are lots of monitors which are 4k, are ips has g sync and are set to launch this year so you can get any of these too. But g sync and free sync does not make sense at 60hz if you have 2 titanx's or furyx's anyway so 1440p ips 144hz g sync makes more sense. Even then, you wont need g or free sync with that powerful combination of graphics hardware for the foreseeable future since they will be able to output 144fps in most games anyway. Asus PG279Q(1440p, ips, 144hz, g-sync) and Asus PG27AQ(4k,ips,60hz,g-sync) both have hdmi and displayport inputs.
Lets see about the graphics cards. Who said you have to get 2 titan x's? You can easily get 2x 980 ti's which has the same performance and better oc headroom. Congratz, you just saved 700 dollars. See, your price argument already collapsed. Performance wise, it seems like fury x will be able just beat reference 980 ti's by the looks of it. But non ref 980 tis already have %15 better performance at 4k. They can also be overclocked another %15 with stock fan and stock voltage(check w1zards gigabyte 980 ti g1 gaming review). So with extra voltage that %30 performance increase should be attainable with almost all 980 ti's. Overclocking wise, water cooled 980 ti's with unlocked voltage will be on their own level.
As for water cooling argument, you said you need water blocks for titan's so you have a custom water cooling loop as i do. You will need water blocks for fury x's too since their blocks are not compatible with the fittings(there are no fittings they are closed loop) on the market. Even if you want to use them out of your loop which is very stupid since their pumps and blocks will definitely be worse compared to ones you can get at the market, you will need additional 2x 120mm fan spots which i assume you wont have since you already have other radiators. Amd probably wont include instructions, screws or tools to fit them in one slot.
So lets see, both cards need blocks and both have the same price. While this is a speculation fury x water cooled will not be even close to water cooled 980 ti's(see the second paragraph). So you will have better performance, better noise output, better power consumption for the same price with nvidia cards. Also as you said, you have to wait new drivers with amd cards whereas nvidia already has sli support with g sync. We all know how fast amd are with new drivers and everybody and their blind and deaf cousin knows sli is far superior to crossfire due to driver and scaling issues.
So there you have it.
First of all my comment is not stupid, its just my point of view. Everyone is entitled to their point of view and what makes sense for someone doesnt necessaraly mean it makes sense for you for we are all different a d think differently. However the truth is singular and uncheangeble. And the truth is:
1)The Asus RogSwift PG279q cannot be bought at this time 22.6 here in germany. The same can also be said for the other gsync asus monitor you listed.
2)apart from the 34inch predator acer monitor that has g sync and 3840x1440 i didnt knew there are other monitors out there with g sync and hdmi.
3)I have personally a problem against buying products based off incomplete chips, buying products which are basically broken from the factory, thats why for me the 980ti is a no go, thats why i have dual 2690v3 xeons on my rig, which leaves me with either 980 or titan x.
4)i want to get the top of the line card, since i never in my life have owned a top of the line card, and whant to see how it feels like it, even if it doesnt make sense from the expense point of view, so i would be stuck with titan x.
5)Using a waterblock on the titan x would in the end waste 2 extra slots in a double sli config, as it cannot be made single slot thanks to the dvi connector, which i wont use anyway.
6)The nature of the stuff mounted in my case wouldn't allow me install two 980 kingpins that could be made single slot through watercooling because they are too wide, so i need to find normal width graphic cards.
7)The fact that the fury x could be made single slot through water cooling would allow me to install 3 of them in crossfire if i would to make them single slot. Further on, the fact that the lenght of the card is shorter because of the hbm memory would allow me to use the built in usb 3.0 headers on the motherboard because the graphics card is not long enough to obstruct them, thus giving me the posibility to free another pci slot wich is occupied by a usb 3.0 pci express card with two 19pin headers, which in the end would allow me to install a fourth fury x.
8)In my eyes as you can clearly see the fury x is the better suited for my build, as i could install 4 as opposed to only two titan xs.
9)34 ich monitor doesnt fit my desktop, it will take a maximum of 32 inch, my deskop was build by me with a 32 inch maximum monitor size in mind. And the 32 inch samsung monitor is on market right now and can be bought allready here in germany.
10)The disadvantages of the furry x is something i could live without. The lack of hdmi 2.0 doesnt bother me. The only 4gb of memory seems to be enough for 4k (as the leaked benchmarks have so far showed, i said seema as we still need to see what actuall reviews will have to say about it), not to mention that if im lucky the memory could be addable with the advent of dx12.
11)You have probably figured it out by now that what you assume may not neccesarlly represent reality. This holds true also for the false assumption you made when you said that i would probably wont be able to install two fury x's because i would need 2 120 radiator slots, and since i have radiators mounted there is no way there would be enough space left. The situation in reality is far worse that you could have imagine it, and regardless i can still fit 2 more 120mm radistors. Here is why.
From top to bottom the whole 5.25 bays of my case are full with 5.25bay devices, all 17 of them. 3 of them dont have devices per se installed but a 120mm fan.
In total i got as radiators
a)one 140.1 double circuit radiator
b)one 140.2 double circuit radiator
c)one 140.2 single circuit radiator
d)two 140.3 radiators.
Aprox 30 fans and 4 pumps.
And i could still install 2 fury x with their radiators. Once i do, ill probably post a photo because the probability is very big that you wont believe me.
Probably now my stupid comment makes a lot more sense. And you have become a wiser man. That is what i wish for you.
Half the people on this site that shop for enthusiast graphics lost interest in that discussion when the GTX 480 arrived, and the other half haven't given a shit about perf/watt and thermals since the day AMD's GPUs outgrew their reference coolers. 95°C operation? No problem, it's designed for that ! (although Raja Koduri was rather more sanguine: " there are countries where people can live in 50 Celsius. 95 Celsius? I’m not sure anything would survive "...so I guess, the arrival of a watercooled Fury will again make it relevant again for the red team ;) )You know what, plenty of cards will beat Titan X. If history is any indicator, Titan X (and the Fury) will be mainstream level performance in 12-18 months. The difference between you and me is, that I want to see the absolute best wrung out of an architecture right here, right now, at the right price - and competition is a means to that end. Nvidia pushed AMD to produce the Fury X, and I am hoping that the Fury X pushes Nvidia to produce a stronger SKU, which just might, in turn lead to AMD offering an even faster/stronger alternative....etcetera etcetera.
Sorry if being a hardware enthusiast causes you to stroke out, but if bta gets that GPU site up and running, you can share an eWarmMilk and chat about the best method of removing cat hair from a velour la-z-boy
/jk............................................(maybe)
1-2) Both pg279q and pg27aq are set to feature hdmi along with displayport, but you are right, they are not available on the market. There is an ultra wide Acer Predator that does though. I would still get xb270hu among them since, again, with 2 furies there is no need for a freesync monitor at 60hz.
3-4)These again, for the lack of a better word, puzzling for me. Gtx 980 is an incomplete maxwell too, it is just designed with a smaller cast. Why do you have to get the full chip while the one that is almost half as cheap performs admirably compared to its bigger brother is beyond me. 12 gb ram is useless, at least for gaming purposes as of now, 6gb that 980 ti has is more than enough and performs cooler.
5)This might be a valid point, but i cannot argue since i dont know your configuration. But bear in mind, according this comments 11th point, you are planning to use furies with their stock closed loop cooling solution, which occupies 2 slots while 980 ti(or fury x for that matter) with another block like say ekwb will only occupy one slot. So you are either lying, which i find highly unlikely or you are confused whereas to use stock or custom water blocks with furies.
6)You have no reason to get any model of gtx 980's anyway.
7)First of all, there is absolutely no need to get 3rd or 4th graphics card since 3 way and 4 way sli-crossfire has only very slight advantage over dual card setup at best. At worst, they perform worse than 1 card. So while i am not one to decide what you get for your build, i suggest you to not get more than 2 cards at almost any circumstance. There is a reason to get more than 2 cards only if you are doing scientific computing, for which you should get another motherboard and quadro/firepro cards anyway. Now with that out of the way, if shorter length of fury x helps your build, you should probably choose it, since you cant go wrong with either fury x or 980 ti at this point. I just dont like it when you compare titan x with fury x and imply there are no cheaper alternatives from the green camp. 980 ti will probably wont fall behind furies, and with water cooling i am pretty sure it can outperform them. Even if it cannot, we will see a price decrease and possibly a new card from nvidia so it is a win-win situation for us.
By making the cards 1 slot you mean cutting the part which they connect to the chassis, i am pretty sure you can just cut it with the dvi headers same way you can do with the amd cards, you just wont cut any headers, only a metal plate with amd. Looking at my water cooled gtx 780 ti's, they occupy less than 1 slot and metal support with dvi connector looks like can be cutted easily wit a dremel, i dont get why you want to do that tho, if you have that many radiators you have a gigantic case and motherboard with plenty of slots which should provide enough space to dissuade you from such solutions.
8)Again you might be suprised to see 2 titan x's uotperform your furies but i am not one to decide.
9)Check 1-2. Asus pg27aq which is 27" is 4k and has g sync will probably suit you best but it probably wont be out until later this year so yeah, nor arguments from me here.
10)Yup, 4gb of hbm memory will be enough for 4k.
11)I believe you but i would like to see a photo of it anyway :). And you should really, really, really connect those furies to your loop rather than using their stock solution with inferior blocks, radiators and pumps.
GTX 980 is full chip, the GM204., as titan X is also the full chip.
1)If im selling my ASUS ROG swift, I am either going 4k, which for me means 32 inch, or the other way around 144hz ips 2560x1440. To be honest im still pondering between 2560x1440@144Hz and 4k@60Hz. I had no luck attaining 100+ fps constant with my 750ti on my gsync monitor, but i got a bit of g-sync taste to see whats it made of.
I mean gaming at 4k@60 fps cant be that bad, cant it ? To damn bad there arent any 4k@120hz monitors out there, allthough display port 1.3 is suppose to bring that, and if were lucky were going to get it this year.
Ill probably get only one fury x, and wait for the second version with 8gb to insert 4 of them in the case.
Photos here.
Only when 32 core CPUs are going to be mainstream like now a 8 core cpu is mainstream in desktop, will i even start considering an upgrade.
I believe its going to take a while...