Uplink10Hardware decoding/encoding sucks because it is depended on the hardware and sometimes some frames are decoded/encoded wrong. Comparing hardware decoding to software decoding is like comparing XBOX/PS to PC. It will work for some time but when manufacturer drops support you lose support for new standard (e.g. h.265 on XBOX 360) whereas on PC that won't happen.

Xbox 360 and H.265,.......

Perhaps maybe you are thinking of H.264 on the 360 and not H.265,.......????

SetsunaFZerowell 128bit GDDR5 go the fu* yourself nvidia. this card probably has nativ 3GB or 3GB with 1GB as slow as fu*

For a card that it has a 5 in it's name it is OK to be 128bit. All Nvidia x5x/x5xx cards where 128bits. The real joke was having a 128bit data bus on the 960.

Vayra86This will probably be a much better buy than the 960, which is a rather shitty card that is starved for bandwidth (128bit on that gpu is taking things too far, evidenced by a worse performance than expected, ending up below a 770 in demanding games).

128 bit with a cutdown of the 960 seems way more balanced.

I understand that Maxwell's delta color compression technology is only awesome and not perfect, and sometimes a 192bit wide memory bus would make things better, but...
1, Nvidia had to protect its 970. The 960 with a 192 wide bus would be almost as fast, and probably that's the main reason why there is still no 960ti. (but I really hope they will do one, it would be a decent 3GB gaming card imo),
2, How did you came to the conclusion that the 960 is a "rather shitty card", is simply beyond me. It's a full featured Maxwell 2 GPU, and it can run games quite well in 1080p.

rtwjunkieThat slower memory portion was a poor design decision for one card and one card only.

When you look at it, it was actually a really good design decision. It was just put into a bad light because they weren't clear how it worked from the beginning.

IkarugaI understand that Maxwell's delta color compression technology is only awesome and not perfect, and sometimes a 192bit wide memory bus would make things better, but...
1, Nvidia had to protect its 970. The 960 with a 192 wide bus would be almost as fast, and probably that's the main reason why there is still no 960ti. (but I really hope they will do one, it would be a decent 3GB gaming card imo),
2, How did you came to the conclusion that the 960 is a "rather shitty card", is simply beyond me. It's a full featured Maxwell 2 GPU, and it can run games quite well in 1080p.

1. Absolutely, but I look at this from a customer's perspective, which, after all, I am.
2. Price point vs performance vs Price/perf of the Kepler equivalent. We generally see cards 'jump down' a single product tier with each new generation, and hardly ever less than that and more often more than this (970 is a good example). So in general, the GTX 680 > 770 of past gen >> GTX 960. But 960 doesn't quite get there even though the price point is similar to that of the 770 when the 960 came out. The card is overpriced for its performance, and grossly overpriced for the silicon you get for your money.

So, Does 960 Ti 3GB 192bits become very possible?

Vayra86So in general, the GTX 680 > 770 of past gen >> GTX 960. But 960 doesn't quite get there even though the price point is similar to that of the 770 when the 960 came out. The card is overpriced for its performance, and grossly overpriced for the silicon you get for your money.

There are always great deals at the end of a generation. Look at the price of R9 290s before they were replaced with the 300 series. The 770 came in at $400, a completely different class of card. The 760 was $250, 25% more than the 960's $200.

If you look at price/performance ratios right now, the GTX 960 is the best 1080p nVidia offering followed closely by the GTX 970:



I have this card and a 4k display, it's a terrible pairing. At 2160p it's useless (except for Heroes of the Storm, WoW, stuff like that), at 1440p it's still bandwidth starved. But at 1080p, for almost every game available right now, it's a champ. That's something I never thought I'd say about a card with a 128bit memory bus, major kudos nVidia.

AnzakThere are always great deals at the end of a generation. Look at the price of R9 290s before they were replaced with the 300 series. The 770 came in at $400, a completely different class of card. The 760 was $250, 25% more than the 960's $200.

If you look at price/performance ratios right now, the GTX 960 is the best 1080p nVidia offering followed closely by the GTX 970:



I have this card and a 4k display, it's a terrible pairing. At 2160p it's useless (except for Heroes of the Storm, WoW, stuff like that), at 1440p it's still bandwidth starved. But at 1080p, for almost every game available right now, it's a champ. That's something I never thought I'd say about a card with a 128bit memory bus, major kudos nVidia.

Indeed, the 960 was intended purely for 1080p, nothing more, but does a great job at it.

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Dalai BrahmaSo, Does 960 Ti 3GB 192bits become very possible?

There's a remote possibility of GM204-based GTX 960 Ti (1408 SP, 256-bit, 2GB/4GB) to counter R9 380.

btarunrThere's a remote possibility of GM204-based GTX 960 Ti (1408 SP, 256-bit, 2GB/4GB) to counter R9 380.

I thought the GTX 960 was a maxed chip SPU wise

a_umpI thought the GTX 960 was a maxed chip SPU wise

Maybe read full sentences.

Vayra861. Absolutely, but I look at this from a customer's perspective, which, after all, I am.
2. Price point vs performance vs Price/perf of the Kepler equivalent. We generally see cards 'jump down' a single product tier with each new generation, and hardly ever less than that and more often more than this (970 is a good example). So in general, the GTX 680 > 770 of past gen >> GTX 960. But 960 doesn't quite get there even though the price point is similar to that of the 770 when the 960 came out. The card is overpriced for its performance, and grossly overpriced for the silicon you get for your money.

I agree that there is a huge gap between the 960 and the 970, but I think it's still a great card and not a "shitty" one, simply because Maxwell 2 is great. I fully respect W1zzard's tests and obviously understand why he needs to test every card with the same settings, but the 960 wasn't intended to play games in "very high" and "ultra settings", and indeed it can't because of its 128 bit wide bus. If you test the card with "high" settings as you should with a mid-range card, you can see that it easily delivers the fluid FPS numbers what gamers are looking for in the mid-range segment. The card was not intended for high-end gamers and Nvidia asks for the most possible money he can from the mid-range enthusiast segment.

a_umpI thought the GTX 960 was a maxed chip SPU wise

The GTX-960 is indeed a "maxed" chip, but it's GM206 based and Btarunr was speaking about a a gm204 based card. I also think that a gm206 with a 192bit bus and 3GB memory would be the sweet post, but perhaps Nvidia thinks otherwise.

looniami was just going to pick up a 750ti for physX to replace a 570. . . . yes i like/play those games - so worth it to me.

Just curious, which games are you playing with PhysX ?

OctaveanXbox 360 and H.265,.......

Perhaps maybe you are thinking of H.264 on the 360 and not H.265,.......????

I am not interested much in consoles but I know XBOX 360 won't support h.265 and h.264 is supported on XBOX 360 but with a lot of restrictions.

Not sure the reason for this either. I'm on an extreme fixed income, and even I'd pony up for a 960 over this. Or just save another month or 2 and get a 970.....

btarunrThere's a remote possibility of GM204-based GTX 960 Ti (1408 SP, 256-bit, 2GB/4GB) to counter R9 380.

I live in Brazil. I have an EVGA GTX760 (I could sell it for ~ € 150) and will have opportunity to buy a graphics card in Munich. My options:

1 - Zotac / EVGA gtx960 2GB - € 189.90 to 199.90 - saving $$, 10% better performance and less consumption.

2 - EVGA gtx 970 4GB - € 349 - expensive for me , better performance / $$

3 - Wait and bet 960 Ti will be launched (estimated performance ?? Price ??)

I think the 960 Ti (GM-204 GM-206 256bit or 192bit) would be very close to the gtx 970 and would be ideal for my $$.
On the other hand, betting on it, I may lose the opportunity to buy a good graphics card, I could not buy in Brazil...

Let me kknow what you think about...

IkarugaI agree that there is a huge gap between the 960 and the 970, ...

... I also think that a gm206 with a 192bit bus and 3GB memory would be the sweet post, but perhaps Nvidia thinks otherwise.

So do I. It would be perfect for me ... especially if it costs less than € 300 ($ 280).

Prima.VeraJust curious, which games are you playing with PhysX ?

metro 2033 and BL2

imo, just BL2 is worth it. i am looking at mertoLL soon. though the batman series does really grab me atm.

Well it seems pretty late but heres to the next replacement to the GTX 750ti. The only thing I would be curious about is if they allowed SLI on this card this time as with the low power it will probably sit on would make it a cool card (Especially if you have something in the sff, would at least be interesting).

Cannot wait to see it!

Dalai BrahmaI live in Brazil. I have an EVGA GTX760 (I could sell it for ~ € 150) and will have opportunity to buy a graphics card in Munich. My options:

1 - Zotac / EVGA gtx960 2GB - € 189.90 to 199.90 - saving $$, 10% better performance and less consumption.

2 - EVGA gtx 970 4GB - € 349 - expensive for me , better performance / $$

3 - Wait and bet 960 Ti will be launched (estimated performance ?? Price ??)

I think the 960 Ti (GM-204 GM-206 256bit or 192bit) would be very close to the gtx 970 and would be ideal for my $$.
On the other hand, betting on it, I may lose the opportunity to buy a good graphics card, I could not buy in Brazil...

Let me kknow what you think about...



So do I. It would be perfect for me ... especially if it costs less than € 300 ($ 280).

If there is a GTX 960 Ti, I expect NVIDIA to price it around $240. I still recommend that to buy GTX 970 for the AA performance headroom it gives you.

it Sound is smart move from Nvidia because Right now markets need some (low price - good performance) class of Cards.

btarunrIf there is a GTX 960 Ti, I expect NVIDIA to price it around $240. I still recommend that to buy GTX 970 for the AA performance headroom it gives you.

And anything beats the R9 300 ... real disappointment.
Even 960 Ti becomes GM-204, with 256bits, for $240 it would be a great card, peformance / price.
GTX970 is expensive... I'll spend more time thinking about. Maybe If I did not buy anything more...
GTX960, only if I sell my gtx760 for €150+. So, I would spend ~ €40 extra
Thank you for your response.