Ti?

I'm pretty sure that means Texas Insturments, but I couldn't find the press release on their site, so we'll have to keep searching :).

zekrahminatorI'm pretty sure that means Texas Insturments, but I couldn't find the press release on their site, so we'll have to keep searching :).

Because it isn't and never will be a press release. :laugh:

zekrahminatorI'm pretty sure that means Texas Insturments, but I couldn't find the press release on their site, so we'll have to keep searching :).

So you posted new without even knowing what it was about? :roll:

Lol, but I must admit there isn't actually any real new to post at the weekend anyway...

lol no one will update to vista till that update ince a week or month or whatever shit has been solved
hey i wonder if ketxxx got killed by windows for helping get dx10 on xp?

Jimmy 2004So you posted new without even knowing what it was about? :roll:

Lol, but I must admit there isn't actually any real new to post at the weekend anyway...

Its....... almost news, depending on what you really keep track of.

This really, is just a sign saying vista is far from mass deployment.

Trust me, TI isn't the only company skipping windows Vista for now.

I can name 3 others, that I have CONFIRMED... big ones too..

I'm talking 5500+ computers each.

Wow....Texas Instruments, I should have figured. And Wow to the fact that 3 other companies dont want Vista....I havent ever tried the betas....are they that bad?

They're not bad, more like expensive, new (meaning have to retrain IT/users), and potentially unstable. XP works now for a lot less, so why not stick with it for a few years? Until there's a real need, a lot of people will react to Vista just like that. PS- Jimmy, I was A) posting a general response to Vista and B)That wasn't an actual press release, so I didn't need to know the company ;).

HISTORY.

Large firms will take at least a year to test and get the enterprise bugs out before upgrading an OS. I work at a 5k+ person firm, and it was over a year after release before the IT department officially supported XP (before it was 2000, and NT4.0 before that).

We've got our eyes glued - especially on the interface, but I don't see any supported installs till mid/late 2007, and expermental at that. The news is no surprise, no matter the source - they'd be stupid to jump off a perfectly working ship just hop onto a new ship that may or may not work.

SasquiHISTORY.

Large firms will take at least a year to test and get the enterprise bugs out before upgrading an OS. I work at a 5k+ person firm, and it was over a year after release before the IT department officially supported XP (before it was 2000, and NT4.0 before that).

nooo no no no... I dont doubt that you work at a firm with a situation like that, but the reasoning is WAY off!!!

Working in the it dept helps ;)

We are in preperations of upgrading all of our hardware to new dells, of which come with XP.

As a large corporation, its IMPOSSIBLE to say "oh lets upgrade to vista"... It takes roughly what? and hour to upgrade? then you can reinstall things, make syure its bug free, etc.

Its not feasable when you have to support 500+ computers, WHILE upgrading them. We arent gonna just walk around and upgrade just because "it came out".. Just like why we wont build our own systems.. different configs mean different setups, more incompatibilities. This way, we can have one master image.

Chances are, most firms wont upgrade even to Vista. Not until they put out a whole new set of hardware. We skipped windows ME, and 2k and went straight from 98->xp.

It doesn't matter to them, as long as its behaving like it should, and WORKS.

IE7 alone, breaks a TON of applications made that companys use. WHich is why we've banned IE7 and even have systems in place to PREVENT install.

That, piled on top of VB6 programs that will never be ported to .net until its forced, and the fact the IT teams haven't even had a chance to play with it and torture it....

Not gonna happen :laugh:

How is this different than any large company on the planet. We still have some machines running 2000 that haven't made it through our machine upgrade schedule.

i think this is fantastic news, the longer business hold out to vista is the longer xp will be supported, M$haft are very unlikely to stop supporting XP if the majority of the licences they have are still using it. I honestly hope Windows Vista is the New M$haft windows millenium.

Once i build my new comp next year i'll b upgrading 2 vista (mainly coz of the support for "Crysis"!) but will certainly b keeping a separate partition with XP pro SP2 on it.
don't wanna lose my 3 years of saved up crap like that... seeing as there's 2 much 2 backup onto DVD's.

hopefully by the time i finish my comp vista will b a bit safer/stable to use.
(new pc will use duel/quad core AMD, 2x x1950xtx (or watevers better by then), atleast 4GB RAM, watercooling+TEC's on CPU & GPU's & a 24" widescreen LCD)

ms will drop support for xp whenever they feel like it, we will not see an sp3, its been put off till 2008 or later, this is the same crap they did with 2k, once the new os is out they say they will keep supporting the old one and put out at least 1 more sp, then they DONT.

ms is going to try and force everybody possable to move to vista, the thing is that large companys arent gonna get vista on their new gateway/dell systems even when its offered, they will go with xp because its cheaper AND because its what they are already using, i deal with a few large companys, ones a sub company of intel, they dont plan to move to vista till 09 or 2010, they stuck with 2k and infact still use 2k on about 23% of their computers, they could update them to xp or winflp but why when 2k is running perfectly fine?
these firms have tested vista on current hardware and it runs poorly, has alot of bugs and would force them to upgrade ram from 256/512 to 1+gb.

i wont use vista till somebody cracks the bitch so i dont gotta let it talk to ms every 20min, even then i will probbly just keep using 2003 server since its fast and reliable :)

my advice, if you want to move off xp to something newer windows 2003 server, you can get web edition licences for around the same price as buying xp pro and it takes minutes to conver to workstation/game box :D

Wow!!! I can't believe Texas Instruments is even using Windows XP! I thought the entire company was still on Windows 3.1 considering the fact that my TI-83 Graphing calculator is the size of a brick, has a 96x64 black and white resolution screen, and an extremely slow processor. On top of that, it costs ninety flippin' dollars. A company that doesn't innovate their products, does not need up-to-date software. My Cricket cell-phone was free and it is much more powerful than that hunk of junk.

mout12Wow!!! I can't believe Texas Instruments is even using Windows XP! I thought the entire company was still on Windows 3.1 considering the fact that my TI-83 Graphing calculator is the size of a brick, has a 96x64 black and white resolution screen, and an extremely slow processor. On top of that, it costs ninety flippin' dollars. A company that doesn't innovate their products, does not need up-to-date software. My Cricket cell-phone was free and it is much more powerful than that hunk of junk.

You're drunk if you think Texas Instruments is not an innovative company.

mout12Wow!!! I can't believe Texas Instruments is even using Windows XP! I thought the entire company was still on Windows 3.1 considering the fact that my TI-83 Graphing calculator is the size of a brick, has a 96x64 black and white resolution screen, and an extremely slow processor. On top of that, it costs ninety flippin' dollars. A company that doesn't innovate their products, does not need up-to-date software. My Cricket cell-phone was free and it is much more powerful than that hunk of junk.

Yeah, because the Ti-83 is such a modern design and their flagship product :rolleyes:

Ti-83 sucks. get atleast the +. And I love my 83+. Granted the price sucks but damn is it a nice calculator. Sturdiest electronic piece I've EVER seen.

They make a LOT more things thann just that tho ;)

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DippyskoodlezYeah, because the Ti-83 is such a modern design and their flagship product :rolleyes:

Ti-83 sucks. get atleast the +. And I love my 83+. Granted the price sucks but damn is it a nice calculator. Sturdiest electronic piece I've EVER seen.

They make a LOT more things thann just that tho ;)

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Exactly, there are TI components in just about EVERYTHING. DLP projectors,tv's anyone? DSP processors? They have endless amounts of components.

And they'd be really stupid to update (not upGRADE) to Vista which has so many documented problems they can't list them all.

I can & have seen "slower" moves to new OS in corporate environs being the norm... & it makes a LOT of sense to go about it cautiously...

In corporate LAN/WAN environs, there's just more machines to concern themselves w/ + the fact they have to setup "test boxes" first, to see if the new OS meshes FULLY w/ their environments + custom apps they build.

Moving from Windows 2000 to primarily Windows XP rigs on nodes @ least? Took time in most places I have been to & worked in/around... @ the client level alone.

Server Level? Even MORE time.

Takes time... plus, like myself, they probably are more likely to wait to see what NEW 'bugs' appear & take time for fixes to come out for them.

APK

And my #1 argument, if it's not broke, why do we need to fix it. XP is just fine for the corporate environment. People get their work done, it's compatible with just about anything, rarely if ever crashes - what is Vista going to offer the corporate user over XP besides a new interface? I can see the potential for the home gaming user, but cmon let's be real here. Even Win2000 works perfectly fine just about every corporate environment.

overcastAnd my #1 argument, if it's not broke, why do we need to fix it. XP is just fine for the corporate environment. People get their work done, it's compatible with just about anything, rarely if ever crashes

And, that is one HELL of a good argument, for holding off... & the exact reasoning why it's done, plus the fact, lol, it costs for the new OS licenses & time to put on tech's schedules (typically hourly labor if in house techs, &/or contract time on external support techs, if used - not every place keeps a regular IT staff fulltime)!

overcast- what is Vista going to offer the corporate user over XP besides a new interface?

Better security for one, it IS more INHERENTLY secure than any of their previous OS' are, & at many a level, due to redesign or settings used (IE for example in Windows Server 2003, is in a "secure mode" by default, from install onwards unless you reset it manually being 1 example thereof - & the fact VISTA is built off Windows 2003 server, which is done better on many levels than 2000/XP were/are)...

More features too & not just "pretty" or "useability" ones, but actually useful ones, & at a networking level (to name a few, as to specifics? Whew... there are quite a few, but offhand I can't list them).

Still, there's going to be 'bugs' that come out, or ones MS knows they cannot ever completely counter for... take a read:

As Microsoft looks ahead, will Vista be the end of an era?

business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13129-2494732,00.html

"Vista’s vulnerability to phishing attacks, hackers, viruses and other malicious software will increase quickly."

What I've noted @ least? Is that whatever gets built into Windows OS' to improve security for/on, the hacker/cracker community pretty fairly quickly either counters, or comes up w/ DIFF. methods to do this stuff with.

overcastI can see the potential for the home gaming user, but cmon let's be real here. Even Win2000 works perfectly fine just about every corporate environment.

True that... & most patches come out regularly & fairly fast (tomorrow's "patch tuesday" guys, by the way)...

APK

Dippyskoodleznooo no no no... I dont doubt that you work at a firm with a situation like that, but the reasoning is WAY off!!!

Working in the it dept helps ;)

We are in preperations of upgrading all of our hardware to new dells, of which come with XP.

As a large corporation, its IMPOSSIBLE to say "oh lets upgrade to vista"... It takes roughly what? and hour to upgrade? then you can reinstall things, make syure its bug free, etc.

Its not feasable when you have to support 500+ computers, WHILE upgrading them. We arent gonna just walk around and upgrade just because "it came out".. Just like why we wont build our own systems.. different configs mean different setups, more incompatibilities. This way, we can have one master image.

Chances are, most firms wont upgrade even to Vista. Not until they put out a whole new set of hardware. We skipped windows ME, and 2k and went straight from 98->xp.

It doesn't matter to them, as long as its behaving like it should, and WORKS.

IE7 alone, breaks a TON of applications made that companys use. WHich is why we've banned IE7 and even have systems in place to PREVENT install.

That, piled on top of VB6 programs that will never be ported to .net until its forced, and the fact the IT teams haven't even had a chance to play with it and torture it....

Not gonna happen :laugh:

There are loads of people who slam MS because they don't come out with a new OS every 6 months like their idol, Macintosh.... Pay attention people, this is why.

bornfreeAnd they'd be really stupid to update (not upGRADE) to Vista which has so many documented problems they can't list them all.

If you hate MS so much, why don't you go buy a Mac?

mout12If you hate MS so much, why don't you go buy a Mac?

Ah, he's just our "resident Microsoft hater"... every forum has one!

(And, every forums should - because guys like he are first to point out flaws MS has, probably before most "Pro-MS" stuff know about them even!)

:)

* He's not so bad, & only usually when it comes to putting down MS, which he IS entitled to doing, after all, it is his opinion.

APK