Well 8 GB still enough for the low end model, otherwise it’s nice to see bumps, 32 GB is irrelevant though unless you do work with the 5090 that involves heavy vram usage. Apparently they still needed to go to 512 bit despite using GDDR7, which is way faster than G6X. GTX 280 says hello, that was the last time Nvidia used a 512 bit bus, completely different times.

AcEWell 8 GB still enough for the low end model, otherwise it’s nice to see bumps, 32 GB is irrelevant though unless you do work with the 5090 that involves heavy vram usage. Apparently they still needed to go to 512 bit despite using GDDR7, which is way faster than G6X. GTX 280 says hello, that was the last time Nvidia used a 512 bit bus, completely different times.

By low end if you mean a sub $200 then yes 8GB might be "enough" otherwise its a manufactured eWaste(like the Radeon 6400 and 6500) and waste of silicon and energy.

ChaitanyaBy low end if you mean a sub $200 then yes 8GB might be "enough" otherwise its a manufactured eWaste(like the Radeon 6400 and 6500) and waste of silicon and energy.

Saying something polemic and highly exaggerated doesn’t make your argument technically true. We already had this 8 GB discussion days ago, the critics like yourself, couldn’t present arguments why 8 GB is bad, while the reviewer here with over 20 years professional experience always recently said 8 GB isn’t a problem. Maybe read the reviews here more carefully. It wont be a waste of silicon and energy as the 4060 and 7600 weren’t current gen. As the last gen isn’t.

AcESaying something polemic and highly exaggerated doesn’t make your argument technically true. We already had this 8 GB discussion days ago, the critics like yourself, couldn’t present arguments why 8 GB is bad, while the reviewer here with over 20 years professional experience always recently said 8 GB isn’t a problem. Maybe read the reviews here more carefully.

It isn't exaggerated at all, Nvidia has stagnated on 8GB of VRAM for way too long, there are plenty of videos explaining why 8GB isn't enough even at 1080P if you don't care to read the reasons why.
I also don't expect many reviewers to say 8GB is a problem when Nvidia often gets excuses for things like not enough VRAM on the low and mid range.

My kid loves gaming on his 8GB card. These are not AMD GPU's lol.. NV does things differently.

freeagentMy kid loves gaming on his 8GB card. These are not AMD GPU's lol.. NV does things differently.

My kid loves playing games on Intel integrated graphics ;)

What was the price. 5999.00

Hecate91It isn't exaggerated at all, Nvidia has stagnated on 8GB of VRAM for way too long, there are plenty of videos explaining why 8GB isn't enough even at 1080P if you don't care to read the reasons why.
I also don't expect many reviewers to say 8GB is a problem when Nvidia often gets excuses for things like not enough VRAM on the low and mid range.

Ain’t a problem with 8 GB video cards unless you’re a YouTuber phishing for clickz in edge cases with edge settings. ;)

freeagentMy kid loves gaming on his 8GB card. These are not AMD GPU's lol.. NV does things differently.

Not even with AMD cards, but the 7600 XT with doubled vram has better RT performance (RT on a 7600 :laugh: ).

nguyenMy kid loves playing games on Intel integrated graphics ;)

My kids love playing outside.

AcEAin’t a problem with 8 GB video cards unless you’re a YouTuber phishing for clickz in edge cases with edge settings. ;)

Not even with AMD cards, but the 7600 XT with doubled vram has better RT performance (RT on a 7600 :laugh: ).

Unless you want to count running high settings on a $300 card as edge cases, then no. And before anyone says thats unrealistic for a low end card, a $300 GPU should be capable of 1080P high settings without upscaling or fake frames. If you're fine with an 8GB card then thats fine, but there isn't any need to defend a company for continuing to release new cards with an inadequate amount of VRAM, even Intel is putting 12 gigs on a card with a $249 MSRP.

A 8GB card is probably fine for kids playing minecraft or roblox.
Though saying Nvidia does thing differently to use it as a defense for a favorite brand is an interesting way to put it for sure. I remember people saying anything more than 10GB was a "waste" but were proven wrong when those cards started to hit a VRAM limit.

Speaking of Zotac, is the brand any good? I never tried them before.

AcESaying something polemic and highly exaggerated doesn’t make your argument technically true. We already had this 8 GB discussion days ago, the critics like yourself, couldn’t present arguments why 8 GB is bad, while the reviewer here with over 20 years professional experience always recently said 8 GB isn’t a problem. Maybe read the reviews here more carefully. It wont be a waste of silicon and energy as the 4060 and 7600 weren’t current gen. As the last gen isn’t.

8GB of VRAM is not enough even on budget cards, you want constant stuttering with muddy textures & Vaseline TAA @ 1080p currently & in the coming years, enjoy.

None of this matters to gamers.

Prices will be twice as high as with Ada Lovelace, because those won't be gaming cards but "AI accelerators" that could be used to generate income, not just used to waste time. And they will be scarce, since Nvidia will clearly focus on making AI server accelerators - not even the new high prices of "home AI accelerators" could compete with revenue there.

After using a 3060 12G in my streaming+ mocap rig if the 50 series doesn't have a cost efficient 12gb gpu I'll just snag a 4070 and call it a day. Unless there is no nvenc improvement I really don't have a reason to upgrade that rig.


On the other hand, my 3080 10G needs a desperate upgrade lol

Unfortunately this isn't shocking. The 4060 was slower than a 3060Ti, I wouldn't be surprised if the 5060 barely matches or is even slightly slower than a 2 generation old 3070 which was technically an 8GB card

while I still think 8GB GPU's are viable and should at least be supported to run without issues in modern games (yes, you should expect to run low/lowered texture settings) given the sheer amount that are already out in the wild, 8GB will be insulting for a brand new GPU purchase of anything beyond entry level. It should be the amount on at best an RTX5050, or even 5030 if they were to exist, not a 5060 that will be $299+ USD.

The names will absolutely cause chaos among the vocal, but really it's the price that matters most, where 8GB should be relegated to $199 or less now, maybe even $179 or less.

Hecate91Unless you want to count running high settings on a $300 card as edge cases, then no.

All games run on those 8 GB video cards, this isn't about pricing, it's a technical discussion whether 8 GB is enough or not, and so far you have brought 0 evidence, 0 practical arguments why 8 GB isn't. Go read the numerous game reviews here, W1zzard always says that 8 GB was still enough, he never says otherwise. And he uses Ultra.

And then, if you found your rare edge case, someone who bought a low end card (yes 4060 is "low end", since there's nothing lower now) can not expect to always use Ultra settings, Ultra settings are wasteful, and with other settings the game will work 100% flawlessly and still look great. You got no point. Simply spoken, Nvidia is of the same opinion as me, so is AMD, they still think 8 GB is enough for a low end card, otherwise they wouldn't risk it. Now you will 100% call "capitalism" here, but that's not how the world works. The world of technology, with at least good companies, is a mix between practicality and capitalism, so it's a practical decision before it is capitalistic one to save chip size, PCB and RAM.

Lionheart8GB of VRAM is not enough even on budget cards, you want constant stuttering with muddy textures & Vaseline TAA @ 1080p currently & in the coming years, enjoy.

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Saying something polemic and highly exaggerated doesn’t make your argument technically true. We already had this 8 GB discussion days ago, the critics like yourself, couldn’t present arguments why 8 GB is bad, while the reviewer here with over 20 years professional experience always recently said 8 GB isn’t a problem. Maybe read the reviews here more carefully. It wont be a waste of silicon and energy as the 4060 and 7600 weren’t current gen. As the last gen isn’t.

AcEAin’t a problem with 8 GB video cards unless you’re a YouTuber phishing for clickz in edge cases with edge settings. ;)

Im not a Youtuber but i sensed a problem in a 2017 game in 2020 with my 8GB card. 1440p. Mostly max setting on that game but the 8GB card struggled on some scenes to load the textures. So i upgraded to an 11GB card at the beginning of 2021.
These days other people have started to notice it too in newer games at 1080p and not even max settings.

Legacy-ZASpeaking of Zotac, is the brand any good? I never tried them before.

They have had problems with fans on their cards. Mine started rattling. Many customer reviews say the same. Other than this issue i have not really heard anything else.

AcEAll games run on those 8 GB video cards, this isn't about pricing, it's a technical discussion whether 8 GB is enough or not, and so far you have brought 0 evidence, 0 practical arguments why 8 GB isn't. Go read the numerous game reviews here, W1zzard always says that 8 GB was still enough, he never says otherwise. And he uses Ultra.

Why are you using only one reviewer as an example? There are multiple reviewers saying the same thing.
Many have compared 4060 Ti 8GB vs 16GB and the 16GB card offers noticeably smoother performance.

AcEit's a practical decision before it is capitalistic one to save chip size, PCB and RAM.

But it isn't. 8GB on a 5060 is not there to keep costs down to sell it for cheaper. Especially if it uses GDDR7 that is more expensive than GDDR6.
If Nvidia already sold 4060 for 300+ then there zero chance 5060 will cost less than 300.

Yet Intel is giving buyers 12GB for 250. Even if this 12GB were 300 it would still be appropriate.
8GB in 2025 for 300+ is delusional and anyone defending such low amount of memory at this price point just looks silly, as you do here.

TomorrowIm not a Youtuber but i sensed a problem in a 2017 game in 2020 with my 8GB card. 1440p. Mostly max setting

Low end cards aren't for 1440p and are most certainly also not for max settings, seems like a "you"-problem here, but users who use wrong settings are very frequent, PC users seem to have the weird notion (at least those in tech forums), that Ultra is a given or a "must" - both is not the case and as I said, Ultra settings are very wasteful and simply not the smart choice with a low end card. If you're not using a low end card it's not part of the discussion btw, i'm only talking about recent gen 8 GB cards which are all low end beside the 4060 Ti.

TomorrowWhy are you using only one reviewer as an example? There are multiple reviewers saying the same thing.
Many have compared 4060 Ti 8GB vs 16GB and the 16GB card offers noticeably smoother performance.

Bring practical arguments and links. No I'm not watching videos. Text.

TomorrowBut it isn't.

100% it is. Nvidia or AMD would not "risk" 8 GB on low end cards if it weren't enough. Were is the shit storm with thousands of unhappy 4060 and 4060 Ti users and 7600 users that can't game on their 8 GB cards and have "problems"? Oh there is no shit storm, nothing happened? Okay. This is all just made up by drama queens in Youtube to generate clickz and wildly overstated.

TomorrowYet Intel is giving buyers 12GB for 250.

Intel isn't "giving" anything, Intel is technically 2 generations behind that's why they *need* to use a 192 bit bus to feed their big low end GPU, and the minimum Vram amount there is 12 GB, basically Intel needs 300mm² chips and 192 bit bus for the same performance Nvidia and AMD suffice with 128 bit and way smaller, less complicated chips. Intel is honestly a running joke in the GPU compartment, this never changed, people just ignored what is happening for some time. -> 0% market share.

AcEAll games run on those 8 GB video cards, this isn't about pricing, it's a technical discussion whether 8 GB is enough or not, and so far you have brought 0 evidence, 0 practical arguments why 8 GB isn't. Go read the numerous game reviews here, W1zzard always says that 8 GB was still enough, he never says otherwise. And he uses Ultra.

And then, if you found your rare edge case, someone who bought a low end card (yes 4060 is "low end", since there's nothing lower now) can not expect to always use Ultra settings, Ultra settings are wasteful, and with other settings the game will work 100% flawlessly and still look great. You got no point. Simply spoken, Nvidia is of the same opinion as me, so is AMD, they still think 8 GB is enough for a low end card, otherwise they wouldn't risk it. Now you will 100% call "capitalism" here, but that's not how the world works. The world of technology, with at least good companies, is a mix between practicality and capitalism, so it's a practical decision before it is capitalistic one to save chip size, PCB and RAM.

Every game has to run on 8GB cards because its what people are buying, gamers chose cards such as the 3060 8GB and 4060Ti 8GB over alternatives with more VRAM.
I don't understand why you keep bringing up only one reviewer, there are a lot of examples of reviewers saying more VRAM results in better performance without stuttering like what happens when 8GB isn't enough, Hardware Unboxed has some good comparisons with VRAM for example. If you think low quality textures with smeared looking details look great, to each their own, however a card selling for at least $300 should have 12GB mininum, anything less is rediculous and defending Nvidia for it at this point makes you look rediculous.
It isn't about cost, and if it was because of cost Nvidia would be using GDDR6 modules and an 8 pin power connector.

Hecate91Every game has to run on 8GB cards because its what people are buying, gamers chose 8GB cards like the 3060 and 4060 over alternatives with more VRAM.
I don't understand why you keep bringing up only one reviewer, there are a lot of examples of reviewers saying more VRAM results in better performance without stuttering like what happens when 8GB isn't enough, Hardware Unboxed has some good comparisons with VRAM for example. If you think low quality textures with smeared looking details look great, to each their own, however a card selling for at least $300 aboslutely should have 12GB mininum, anything less is rediculous and defending Nvidia for it at this point makes you look rediculous too.
It isn't about cost, and if it was because of cost Nvidia would be using GDDR6 modules and an 8 pin power connector.

A lot of hearsay. 1) I use 1 reviewer because I trust 1 reviewer and he's enough for me 2) you're still just making hear-say, where is the technical evidence? I can just easily say everything you say is overstated and false, I 100% bet "low" settings are never needed for 4060 users, they will use Ultra, High, Medium or a mix thereof, the game will 100% still look fine. They can also use Ultra + DLSS Quality, still looks great. Bring practical arguments for a change. You're just talking so far.

3) there is also some issue on the game dev and their broken game when 8 GB vram (which is not a low amount, if you are technically versed) isn't enough *or* makes the game look like garbage. This discussion isn't as simple as people think it is, it seems. Next we all have 12 GB vram everywhere the game devs will be lazy again and then suddenly the 12 GB vram isn't enough either, 100% this will happen if you just ignore their agency and just play blame game with 8 GB video cards, which technically still makes no sense. There are big, beautiful games who work great with 8 GB vram, as long as this is the case, the other games who can't work well with 8 GB vram are the problem, not the video cards.

AcE; as a previous 3070Ti owner, I can tell you, 8GB VRAM is not enough for High/Ultra textures, the GPU itself is capable, but the VRAM ceiling, when you hit it, performance tanks, and fast. It's simply not acceptable today. nGreedia promotes these(did) cards as high-end, when it's in fact, mid-range/entry at best.

They have confused themselves with their own lies/product stack so much over the years, they can't even keep track anymore and they want their customers to swallow their bs.

Legacy-ZAAcE; as a previous 3070Ti owner, I can tell you, 8GB VRAM is not enough for High/Ultra textures, the GPU itself is capable, but the VRAM ceiling, when you hit it, performance tanks, and fast. It's simply not acceptable today.

Activate DLSS and it is, however, as I said this discussion is about 5060, 4060 and 7600 (low end cards), not 3070 Ti, which is like a rat case of its own and I never said 3070 Ti is fine. :) 3070 / 3070 Ti are not fine, why did you buy it? RX 6800 ~ same price, way better card. Here we can start blaming the users who bought a bad video card, tbh.

AcELow end cards aren't for 1440p and are most certainly also not for max settings, seems like a "you"-problem here, but users who use wrong settings are very frequent, PC users seem to have the weird notion (at least those in tech forums), that Ultra is a given or a "must" - both is not the case and as I said, Ultra settings are very wasteful and simply not the smart choice with a low end card. If you're not using a low end card it's not part of the discussion btw, i'm only talking about recent gen 8 GB cards which are all low end beside the 4060 Ti.

I only gave my example from years ago. I was ahead of the curve noticing that 8GB was not enough. Now everyone else is simply catching on.
Well except people like you who think it's normal to sell 8GB for 300+ and argue against progress.

This has happened may times before. It happened with 2GB, 4GB and 6GB cards too.
For some reason i no longer see anyone arguing today that 4GB is enough if you lower enough settings.
Windows and apps by itself can take up to 2GB without a single 3D rendering game/program running.

AcEBring practical arguments and links. No I'm not watching videos. Text.

That's your problem. You refuse to watch videos and then claim i have no practical arguments or links. How lazy can a person be.
Im not going to re-type every reviewers word to you by hand. This just shows me that you ignore evidence that contradicts your statements and therefore you ignore it because it is in the "wrong format".

AcE100% it is. Nvidia or AMD would not "risk" 8 GB on low end cards if it weren't enough. Were is the shit storm with thousands of unhappy 4060 and 4060 Ti users and 7600 users that can't game on their 8 GB cards and have "problems"? Oh there is no shit storm, nothing happened? Okay. This is all just made up by drama queens in Youtube to generate clickz and wildly overstated.

These cards were released years ago when 8GB was not such an issue. Every year that goes by the issue gets worse.
And what do you mean by "shit storm"?
What are these people supposed to complain about years later? That their 8GB card cant receive OTA update to 12GB?

AcEIntel isn't "giving" anything, Intel is technically 2 generations behind that's why they *need* to use a 192 bit bus to feed their big low end GPU, and the minimum Vram amount there is 12 GB, basically Intel needs 300mm² chips and 192 bit bus for the same performance Nvidia and AMD suffice with 128 bit and way smaller, less complicated chips. Intel is honestly a running joke in the GPU compartment, this never changed, people just ignored what is happening for some time. -> 0% market share.

Complain and nitpick on their chip as much as you do but every 8GB card released from now on will be compared to B580 and im pretty sure it will a an unfavorable comparison because Nvidia will never lower their prices and AMD likely wont lower their prices by enough.

AcELow end cards aren't for 1440p and are most certainly also not for max settings, seems like a "you"-problem here, but users who use wrong settings are very frequent, PC users seem to have the weird notion (at least those in tech forums), that Ultra is a given or a "must" - both is not the case and as I said, Ultra settings are very wasteful and simply not the smart choice with a low end card. If you're not using a low end card it's not part of the discussion btw, i'm only talking about recent gen 8 GB cards which are all low end beside the 4060 Ti.

Except low end cards should be capable of 1440p now, as 1440p monitors are very affordable.
I had a 3070Ti 8GB and not having enough VRAM definitely was a problem, even with some older titles, 8GB is a stupid limitation on new cards and at this point Nvidia is punishing the average gamers for not spending more on the x70 tier. Telling users to lower settings just doesn't work as an excuse any more when the prices keep going up, yet the value price/performance goes down.

AcEBring practical arguments and links. No I'm not watching videos. Text.

Honestly good luck with that, I like to have written content as an option, but if you want to compare how games look and perform with an analytical comparison you need to see it in a video.

AcE100% it is. Nvidia or AMD would not "risk" 8 GB on low end cards if it weren't enough. Were is the shit storm with thousands of unhappy 4060 and 4060 Ti users and 7600 users that can't game on their 8 GB cards and have "problems"? Oh there is no shit storm, nothing happened? Okay. This is all just made up by drama queens in Youtube to generate clickz and wildly overstated.

There was criticism from users and reviewers when AMD released 8GB cards, that same criticism doesn't happen with Nvidia cards, for several reasons. And I think people are expecting the x60 card to be mediocre after the 4060 was slower than a 3060Ti.

AcEIntel isn't "giving" anything, Intel is technically 2 generations behind that's why they *need* to use a 192 bit bus to feed their big low end GPU, and the minimum Vram amount there is 12 GB, basically Intel needs 300mm² chips and 192 bit bus for the same performance Nvidia and AMD suffice with 128 bit and way smaller, less complicated chips. Intel is honestly a running joke in the GPU compartment, this never changed, people just ignored what is happening for some time. -> 0% market share.

A majority of reviews and comments from users have been positive on the Intel B580, anyone being so negative over having more competition is probably going to be buying from Nvidia though. The B580 according to TPU is 10% faster in relative performance at 1440p over the 4060 8GB, at $250 it is an excellent value, and if Nvidia isn't just going ride on their arrogance they'll probably rush out a 16GB version of the 5060.