Monday, March 20th 2017
AMD May Have Ryzen 16-Core Version and New Chipset in the Works for June
AMD may be preparing a true silicon monster to compete directly with Intel's HEDT line, a dual octo-core-die based 16 core, 32 thread processor under the Ryzen branding, if a leak from ChipHell is to be believed.
According to the leak (and my rough google translate interpretation of both it and a German version kindly provided by Heise.de) the processor will not use the current dual channel AM4 socket. Rather, it will use a cut down version of the Naples based server SP3 socket called SP3r2. SP3r2 and the new chip would be quad channel, putting it in direct memory bandwidth competition with Intel's HEDT lineup.
It's also worth noting this would be a LGA-based socket; that is, rather than pins on the processor, the processor will have copper pads for small metal points in the socket to make pressure contact with, like what Intel has been doing for some time. Naples already uses such a config, but AMD has not ever used this configuration in a consumer socket.
As well as this exciting chip, the leak indicates AMD has a new chipset planned exclusively for it, named X399. The chip and chipset are expected to be announced sometime in June, with an unknown date of actual retail availability. Also, unknown as of now is the Chip's clock, TDP, or pretty much any other specification information.
Sources:
heise.de, ChipHell
According to the leak (and my rough google translate interpretation of both it and a German version kindly provided by Heise.de) the processor will not use the current dual channel AM4 socket. Rather, it will use a cut down version of the Naples based server SP3 socket called SP3r2. SP3r2 and the new chip would be quad channel, putting it in direct memory bandwidth competition with Intel's HEDT lineup.
As well as this exciting chip, the leak indicates AMD has a new chipset planned exclusively for it, named X399. The chip and chipset are expected to be announced sometime in June, with an unknown date of actual retail availability. Also, unknown as of now is the Chip's clock, TDP, or pretty much any other specification information.
69 Comments on AMD May Have Ryzen 16-Core Version and New Chipset in the Works for June
Honestly, assuming this is going to a special HEDT platform (which AMD almost never does,) is kind of wishful thinking. I would be very surprised if they did this.
More ZEN HYPE :banghead:
Do we need 16 cores? No, but wouldn't you prefer to have the option? Personally, because the chip is split into CCX units, the usual mhz scaling problems that affect higher core count chips have the potential to not be a problem. So thats rather exciting IMO.
DDR4 has already hit 3400mhz in testing. You also ignore that AMD's memory subsystem is unified, so simply 'cranking' memory speed is a more involved process.
XFR is limited to that boost as AMD is at the top of its manufacturing process. Its somewhat unfortunate, but Samsungs 14nm LPP node, whilst fricking amazing in the right envelope (1700 8 Core for 65w anyone? amazing efficiency all things considered), AMD's having to reach into the top end of it to deliver performance in consumer lines. AMD probably needs a different node for high end desktop and GPU, but alas thats a degree of cost that I don't think AMD could bare (and misses the fact that AMD is clearly targeting mobility, professional and server markets over consumers). That being said, I know of no one who would have any real reason to complain about an octocore at 4Ghz.
Edit: I finally found it again:
www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-7-1800X-CPU-265804/Tests/Test-Review-1222033/
As you can see, 4+0 is a lot better than 2+2 - but Ryzen 1400+1500X will be 2+2 nonetheless.
They are completely different Architectures. Where ZEN can gain tremendous performance while not Clocking up the CPU Frequency is from DDR4 Ram Speed. Because of Infinity Fabric being tied to that speed. Any memory speed increase should theoretically boost Ryzen performance quite a bit. Hopefully AMD updates Ryzen for faster Ram speeds.AMD is coming out with a RAM speed update sometime in May that will ensure DDR4 3200 speeds with 4 DIMMs occupied. And DDR4 3400 to 4000 for 2 DIMMs occupied.
ZEN is a cleverly designed CPU Architecture, that caters to Mobile, Server & Desktop market. AMD is not Intel, where they can waste a Billion here and a Billion there. This is why AMD needed to be Smart about its CPU Design decisions. Reading up on ZEN, shows how smart AMD is. ZEN was designed by Jim Keller's team. That alone speaks 1,000 words.
ZEN is new, and is slowly being updated via motherboard bios updates and Windows updates, so give it some time. FYI, the last thing AMD needs is to follow into Intel's design footsteps. Absolutely No Thank You. ZEN will do just fine. It does Very Well in PC Gaming, and everything else you throw at it. Just because the i7 wins in 1080p with 10-20 FPS more over Ryzen, doesn't make the Ryzen unplayable lol.
16 Core CPU. Bring it on, because people rather have CHOICE versus the forced Stagnation Intel has caused for 5 years now.
Not to divert from the main idea here, I guess they had to make something with defective Naples dies so, here you go. I think they will release a 16 core version with close to 3.0Ghz frequency, one 12 core and the 8 core is with question mark because I don't see the point of it. Just like the 4 core CPU that you can buy for X99. Wattage will probably be in the same ballpark as Intels 10 core part ~140W, but with such a good energy management that we saw in 1800X, probably the idle and low utilization consumption will be very good.
In the end, they need to make sure this new platform is released without the issues that Ryzen 7 had and I think the future looks bright for them.
lolz!
How are they going to fix dual memory limitations, when the controller is in the CPU?
Alright if you have deep pockets.
www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/msi_release_a-xmp_for_better_ryzen_memory_compatibility/1
Also, MSI's update is likely this update that AMD released to their partners not long ago : www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_has_reportedly_released_new_agesa_microcode_for_ryzen/1
So before you accuse someone of not reading, maybe you should do a little yourself as well, eh?