Sunday, May 13th 2018

Intel Z390 Express Chipset Detailed

Intel released a product brief of its premium mainstream-desktop (MSDT) chipset, the Z390 Express. Positioned above the Z370 Express, the chipset has an exhaustive feature-set. It supports current 8th generation Core "Coffee Lake" processors, and is ready for the next-generation. Like all other 300-series chipsets, the Z390 interfaces with the LGA1151 processor over a DMI 3.0 chipset-bus. Much like the Z370, it features 24 downstream PCI-Express gen 3.0 lanes. Its storage setup remains unchanged from the Z370 - six SATA 6 Gbps ports with AHCI and RAID support; and up to three 32 Gbps M.2/U.2 connectors.

The differences begin with the chipset's integrated USB connectivity. The Z390 Express directly puts out six 10 Gbps USB 3.1 gen 2 ports, and ten 5 Gbps USB 3.1 gen 1 ports. If that's not a lot, it also puts out fourteen USB 2.0 ports (a total of 30 USB ports). Another major feature is Intel SmartSound technology, which the document specifies as an "audio/voice offload" DSP. This should, in theory, reduce the CPU's load in processing the audio stack. At the physical level it's still the company's "Azalia" HD audio bus wired to an audio CODEC with close to zero native signal processing. Perhaps some of that processing is done inside the chipset. The concept appears to be borrowed from edge-computing, and triggered by the rise in voice-command interface, so the chipset can natively process speech-to-text conversions.
With the Z390 Express, Intel is also updating the platform's networking feature-set. The chipset supports a 1 GbE MAC interface, and recommends motherboard manufacturers to include an Intel Wireless-AC 9560 card, with 802.11ac and Bluetooth 5. Almost every Z390 motherboard will feature wireless networking, and most of them will include Intel's recommended WLAN card pairing. No new CPU overclocking features are detailed in the document.
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50 Comments on Intel Z390 Express Chipset Detailed

#28
iO
But how many USB ports do you actually get with that "up to 6x/10x" non-sense?
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#29
TheLostSwede
News Editor
iOBut how many USB ports do you actually get with that "up to 6x/10x" non-sense?
It depends on the board maker and how many flexible I/O's they dedicate to USB over other things.
Here's an example of the flexible I/O architecture:


As you can see, out of the 10 USB 3.0 ports in this case, four are shared with PCI Express and two of those four are also shared with Gigabit Ethernet.
Obviously some of this can be software switchable, but I don't know of any motherboard that shares a PCIe slot with a USB 3.x port. However, many boards share SATA with M.2 for example.

What we don't know at this point is how many flexible I/O "ports" that the Z390 chipset will have and thus it's hard to say what the potential outcome of ports could be.
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#30
mat9v
What happened to Thunderbolt 3.0?
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#31
iO
TheLostSwedeIt depends on the board maker and how many flexible I/O's they dedicate to USB over other things.
Here's an example of the flexible I/O architecture:


As you can see, out of the 10 USB 3.0 ports in this case, four are shared with PCI Express and two of those four are also shared with Gigabit Ethernet.
Obviously some of this can be software switchable, but I don't know of any motherboard that shares a PCIe slot with a USB 3.x port. However, many boards share SATA with M.2 for example.

What we don't know at this point is how many flexible I/O "ports" that the Z390 chipset will have and thus it's hard to say what the potential outcome of ports could be.
Oh good info.
And looking at H370, which is the same silicon as Z390, the bandwidth seems to be enough for only a total of 4x Gen1 and 4x Gen2 ports. Plus all those 2.0 ports.
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#32
IceShroom
AssimilatorConsidering there are currently a grand total of zero motherboard chipsets that offer native USB 3.1 gen2 ports, so adding 6 is pretty impressive. Especially when each requires the equivalent of a PCIe 3.0 x2 link.
You are wrong about Native USB 3.1(G2) support.
AMD's 300 serise chipsets have native USB 3.1(G2).
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_1800X/3.html
Also X470 has native USB 3.1(G2).

Also Intel's new H/B 300 serise chipsets also have native USB 3.1(G2)
Get your fact check before sperading misinformation.
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#33
trparky
OctopussWhy do they still put USB 2 ports on motherboards? I don't get it.
Because a lot of wireless keyboards and mice don't play nice with USB 3.0.

See this Intel documentation PDF for details on this.
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#34
Fx
What the shit? WHO needs that much USB connectivity?!
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#35
Octopuss
What kind of devices actually use USB 3.1 (or even the gen2 something - this is seriously confusing).
Even my relatively new DSLR doesn't even support USB 3.0.
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#36
ExV6k
OctopussWhat kind of devices actually use USB 3.1 (or even the gen2 something - this is seriously confusing).
Even my relatively new DSLR doesn't even support USB 3.0.
My external Hard Drives does. It reaches 125MB/s sequential read speeds on a USB 3.0 port vs 26MB/s when plugged to a USB 2.0 port. And USB 3.1 G1 is basically the same as USB 3.0.
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#37
Assimilator
IceShroomYou are wrong about Native USB 3.1(G2) support.
AMD's 300 serise chipsets have native USB 3.1(G2).
www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_1800X/3.html
Also X470 has native USB 3.1(G2).

Also Intel's new H/B 300 serise chipsets also have native USB 3.1(G2)
Get your fact check before sperading misinformation.
The fact that I had no idea that AMD boards have native USB 3.1 gen2 tells us how well AMD is doing at marketing their chipsets.
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#38
JaymondoGB
Totally pointless release. If it had a PLX chip, or some more chipset lanes, that would be different.
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#39
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
Of course it's using DMI 3.0 which is the equivalent of a 4 lane PCIe 3.0 slot. One 4-lane NVMe card and you'll get real close to saturating it with a single device. :laugh:
JaymondoGBTotally pointless release. If it had a PLX chip, or some more chipset lanes, that would be different.
It essentially is a PCIe switch. The problem is that it's trying to switch all of that across essentially 4 PCIe 3.0 lanes. So if you even did get 16 lanes out of the PCH (which you can,) you're still limited by the 4 lanes worth of bandwidth available to the PCH. Honestly, Intel should double the bandwidth between the CPU and PCH if they really want it to be useful and for people to not always want to have NVMe cards wired directly to the PCIe lanes on the CPU.
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#40
R-T-B
OctopussI thought a port automatically works in USB 2 mode if you plug a mouse or something in it.
It does (usually, anyways). But in the case of addon chips, it doesn't give the bandwidth allocated to it via pcie lanes back either.
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#41
TheLostSwede
News Editor
iOOh good info.
And looking at H370, which is the same silicon as Z390, the bandwidth seems to be enough for only a total of 4x Gen1 and 4x Gen2 ports. Plus all those 2.0 ports.
Anandtech seems to suggest there will be 30 HSIO lanes, same as the Z/H370, although configured differently. www.anandtech.com/show/12750/intel-releases-z390-chipset-product-information
The USB 2.0 ports are not part of the HSIO, as USB 2.0 is not considered high speed any more.
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#42
Assimilator
TheLostSwedeAnandtech seems to suggest there will be 30 HSIO lanes, same as the Z/H370, although configured differently. www.anandtech.com/show/12750/intel-releases-z390-chipset-product-information
The USB 2.0 ports are not part of the HSIO, as USB 2.0 is not considered high speed any more.
If that's true, then it's pretty sad because it means that all Z390 adds over Z370 is the ability to allocate some of those HSIO lanes to USB 3g2. In other words, now motherboard manufacturers will be able to choose between two USB 3g1 ports or one USB 3g2... end result is that if they go for the latter, you end up with fewer ports in total. So ASMedia USB controllers are here to stay it would seem.
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#43
TheLostSwede
News Editor
AssimilatorIf that's true, then it's pretty sad because it means that all Z390 adds over Z370 is the ability to allocate some of those HSIO lanes to USB 3g2. In other words, now motherboard manufacturers will be able to choose between two USB 3g1 ports or one USB 3g2... end result is that if they go for the latter, you end up with fewer ports in total. So ASMedia USB controllers are here to stay it would seem.
Why do you assume that one 10Gbps port will use up two 5Gbps ports? We have yet to see the actual HSIO configuration of any of Intel's chipsets with 10Gbps USB, or at least I've been unable to find any specifics on it.
It makes sense from a logical standpoint of how we know things currently work, but maybe Intel made some changes to the flexible I/O.

Maybe Intel gimped it and limited to one PCIe 3.0 lane so we end up 8Gbps USB instead of 10Gbps. Would anyone really notice the difference? Even more so, if your current 10Gbps USB host controller is only connected to one PCIe 3.0 lane, you'd have the same limitation.

Looking at one of the few benchmarks I could find, it looks like this is exactly what they've done.

Source: www.kitguru.net/components/motherboard/ryan-martin/asus-rog-strix-h370-f-gaming-motherboard-review/10/
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#44
las
Yes, lets get another generation using Sky Lake arch (4th time)

5th release on 14nm ...

Cannon Lake 10nm w. AVX512 where are you?
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#45
Totally
TheLostSwedeYou prefer no USB ports, stupid sound and slow networking then? :p
Going by their last MacBook, Apple thinks people do.
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#46
Space Lynx
Astronaut
TheLostSwedeYou prefer no USB ports, stupid sound and slow networking then? :p
lol if you think intel is going to give you sound I feel bad for you

My audio setup: Schiit Lyr 3 tube amp - $565
headphone dac - modi multibit - $270
and my headphones, ZMF Blackwood Purpleheart wood - $750

thats good sound. ;p
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#47
las
So this was what Z370 should have been.
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#48
User !
Just wish the z370 can with the support for 8-cores
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#49
voltage
erockerThis is a little funny. Intel's been sandbagging the USB ports!
oh how i missed the phrase "sandbagging"

lol

Thanks for the laugh!
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#50
Octopuss
What's that? I only know teabagging.
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