Musselshotrippr: Have you ever had to re-activate a legit MS OS? I've had to do it 5-6 times now, and i have had to spend 20 minutes convincing them it was a system upgrade due to hardware failure every time, they always believe you're trying to run the same OS on two PC's.

After reading that article on PCPER, I'm glad - i had hoped it was like upgrading on XP. Thanks for that news.

haha I never said they wouldnt ask about the system, as long as you say "no" when asked if you are running on more than one system you will be okay.

So retail is automatic. What about Retail Upgrade? Is it auto or like oem?

i think as long as they know its a real key you are using they dont really care,at least you've bought it and not ripped it off.

They are creating their own serial numbers? I dont believe it!

Man ,seems to me that this is Propaganda from mr Bill...what way would american people be buying more VISTA ? By showing theyr patriotism against the Iraquian enemy , witch is making fun with american stuff,like almost burning the flag...we Europeans are tired of seeing such marketing ways when it lunching new pictures ,for instance.I believe that,s a inside job from Micro$oft...They let everybody install a copie for experience Vista hoping that at the next SP (when it invalidates all pirate copies ) people had allready contact with Vista and wouldn´nt mynd paying for a upgrade.

This is great. Keygens... piracy... open source? No.

hotripprI agree this would be the best way to make people think twice about downloading or buying pirated stuff. I am gladly paying 70 bucks for the academic pricing of home premium. I could easily download it for free but I rather get something legit for a REASONABLE Price. If Vista was Reasonably priced for everyone it would fly off the shelves, you never know what u get with hacked sw, and I rather pay for the piece of mind...guess I feel a little safer knowing that MS is spying on me rather than some hacker from wherever.

Good points, & I remember DOS - it was CHEAP, did the job, & DID FLY OFF THE SHELVES, for years.

I too, would rather buy it, & feel @ least SOMEWHAT safe, that some nutty thing some cracker put into the code (not that easy to do, not to me @ least) w/ a disassembler would hose me somehow.

At the moment though? I would LOVE to buy VISTA, but it looks like my furnace is on its last legs here... time to buy a NEW one, ugh, puts HUGE dent into me money-wise, but have NO choice.

It's literally SUB-ZERO out there tonite, & my PC is keeping me warm (er, warmer) @ least, lol... looking, or trying to, @ the "bright-side" tonite, rather than how pessimistic I was earlier today (hey, my legs aren't broken, I don't have AIDS or HERPES thank God, so all is NOT lost!).

:)

hotripprAll of you with your gas guzzling SUVs shouldnt be pointing at people saying they support terrorism, you should be looking in the mirror for someone to blame.

Not I, said the fly!

:)

* I can't afford a gas guzzler... my latest car is a V-6, & not too bad on gas... not like V-8's can be!

(However, so you know? Many larger vehicles (like V-8 engine'd ones) DO have a 'gas guzzler tax' applied to them when you buy them now, to discourage that which you speak of... I know, I looked recently & bought recently, & saw what was what on that account).

APK

Alec§taar, lol perfect forsome 0v3rcL0(k1ng

DRDNAAlec§taar, lol perfect forsome 0v3rcL0(k1ng

LOL, you know, I thought that VERY THING also? LOL...

("Great Minds think Alike")

:)

* Ah man, if it was not so late now? I would run ScienceMark 2.0 again, & o/c my rig ALL THAT MUCH MORE (last time I did that test it was summer iirc, & far warmer, but a 'cold nite' (around 60 F temp when I ran it last iirc! Wow, "real cold" compared to what you & I are seeing up here in NY State now right w/ us being below zero eh?) did give me BETTER scores on it!)

APK

P.S.=> Heck, tonite? I'd set a record due to the temps... lol! Well, for this rig @ least, but sleep is on my itinerary now (nice meeting you by the way, nice to see I have some "internet neighbors" (almost))...

Good conversation in that other thread by the by! Helped me 'vent' & get rid of SOME negativity, & made me laff too!

G'nite for tonite folks, stay cool (not THAT cool though, it's WINTER!)... apk

vrdubluGLD if you ever get your head out of your ars long enough to hear yourself speak, maybe then you can enlighten us all with your wisdom, or perhaps you can be George W's marketing director for the war on terrorism, lol nub.

It's kind of hard for me to speak through my snorkel while my head is up my arse, but I'll give it a shot. You go ahead and buy/support/do business with the software pirates in the world. You then look to yourself for answers when the software you have bought turns out to have bad shite in it, or johnny law comes knocking at your door, or the pirates you have given your hard earned money to (assuming its earned) end up doing even worse shite them just ripping off the people that have worked hard to give us something worth buying.

If i buy a copy and someone else has generated my Key, i mill be majorly pissed off. Ive already had this problem with Steam where someones generated my Half-Life generations key and Valve refuse to do shit.

hmmmm...

there's enough fat on Vista that the usable parts may only be worth 8 bucks...

hehehe hawhaw :D

I just find it funny that it didnt take long to b cracked :p

i know wacha mean, it cracks me up too :D

it was cracked before it was released :laugh:

ROFL. I want one of these!

dont we all :p...well most of us with no souls/ethics :D

so basically were all pirates:p

its called TO SURVIVE , every man/woman for themselves , no one thinks of anyone else other than yourself these days, maybe its karama finally giving it to M_$ for stealing it from apple and monopolising peoples souls and PC's with it ............... but like everything else u take risks , and piracy is a risk , but for 8 bucks to be honest i can take that risk, LOL !

What MS should do is a free or very cheap basic edition. THe basic they have now isnt cheap enough.

$50USD for a vista that has no 3D interface, and doesnt have any of their bundled apps. No media player, a restricted IE or something... Something the general masses can use, while those of us who care can spend $100 and unlock the extra features online.

Pinchydont we all :p...well most of us with no souls/ethics :D

*raises hand* me me! :D

I am not sure why this is so popular all of a sudden. It's not like you can download it. From reading the report you have to get it from a brick/mortar or consession stand in that country.

GLDIt's kind of hard for me to speak through my snorkel while my head is up my arse, but I'll give it a shot. You go ahead and buy/support/do business with the software pirates in the world. You then look to yourself for answers when the software you have bought turns out to have bad shite in it, or johnny law comes knocking at your door, or the pirates you have given your hard earned money to (assuming its earned) end up doing even worse shite them just ripping off the people that have worked hard to give us something worth buying.

1. vista isnt worth buying, its crap, bloated buggy crap at that.

2. if u really think that the money from pirated copys of vista are going to go into terrisim i got a bridge i will sell you cheap.

3. i have yet to find a mainstream torrent for a version of any os or program that had any "bad shite" in it, i have seen some editions that have addware programs built in, but no malware or anything.

4. ms is just getting karmatic payback for how they treat paying costmers, for charging WAY TO FUCKING MUCH for an os and for theiving so many other companys work in the past(not talking about apple, im talking about stuff like stacker and the like where ms stole a program, changed the name on it and sold it as their own without paying the company who made it anything)

EastCoasthandleI am not sure why this is so popular all of a sudden. It's not like you can download it. From reading the report you have to get it from a brick/mortar or consession stand in that country.

as stated, its because ms tauts this as "uncrackable", they spend MILLIONS on making it uncrackable/unpiratable, then its cracked insainly fast, funny shit!!!.

i would rather give some iranian bastage 8bucks for vista then give ms 80 for vista ;)

by using cracked software tho'.it makes us as bad as the people who cracked it.

i have my own ethicical grounding.

i feel that those who screw me over deserve to get screwed over, be it a person or company.

as such i dont feel bad using cracked software from companys that screwed me over, on the other hand i OWN some apps like NERO because they never screwed me over.

MS,VUG,Atari and some other companys have earned my hate, the ammount of crap ms as put me thru as a pc owner and tech more then justifys my aquiering their software free(tho i can leigaly get any of it i like really) this is my ethics in acction.

however if you do me a solid, i will do you a solid, nero has sold 50+ ultra copys thanks to me telling people its the best burning app to get.

i am on 2 diffrent MSDN accounts for sure possably a 3rd one still as well, i have given a few friends "trial" copys of windows because they couldnt afford another pro copy for various reasions.

vug and atari on the other hand, i hate them, they screwed me and many of my friends on game after game, and as such, well they earned a special kind of HATE from me :)