Oh i see, you can give your opinion and defend both Epic and Deep Silver, but i can give my opinion and defend Steam? yeah, i'm such a shill lol. I asked you a fair question, but you decided to get your feathers ruffled and wet your panties. Sorry, if you can't handle the internet then you should not be out here giving your opinion. People will think different to you and will question you at every move :laugh:

Why can't the damn thing be on both Stores or in all the others? should i not question this move of giving the finger to me and PC Gamers out there whom of which 95% of them are on Steam? Ohh geee how dare i! lolol

Get off the internet, you can't handle it. You're too much of fragile tissue:roll:

Don't reply by the way, just go on with your fragile life.

Nope, not going to install another launcher. Weird how many games have been from other stores rather than Steam recently.

etayoriusLOL!! nice debate. Which means you got nothing to debate but defend this dick move from both Epic and Deep Silver. In my eyes you're as much of a tool as you think i am for Steam. You're no better lolol

How is it a “dick move”? Businesses aren’t run for charity. If Deep Silver and 4A can pay less money from each sale to a storefront, well, that’s what you do. They are in business to make money. Period.

The fact that they have identified a product (a game) that people will pay them for is good for you and for them. It is a product for them to make money on.

Bad move? Threads like this often get littered with comments like "not installing another launcher", "not buying" etc. Clearly people don't want every launcher from every publisher installed to play games.

Markosz$49.99 in NA
59.95€ in the EU

What? That's 37% more converted to my local currency. Doesn't make sense, isn't it mixed up?

Wait, did I get this right?! Europeans have to pay $69.99 (at +- 1.14 exchange rate) for exactly the same game that costs North Americans 'only' $49.99 to buy? A *digital* release?

Either they got it the other way around or this is straight up robbery (and discrimination lol).

FluffmeisterHalf-Life 3 confirmed.

Of whos? Plutonium, Cesium, Polonium, Uranium...?

I can't tell you how many launchers I've had over the past decade+ where I've purchased games from. Guess how many are still around? Not many, and for good reason. All I see is another launcher that will be either dead or a ghost town populated mostly by indie games in 5-10 years.

Yes folks, it's big bad Steam's fault for users not researching games before making an informed buy. Not surprising since these people seem to think advertising and publicity are apparently free in the real world. In almost all corners of the world market, you pay a premium for leading the proverbial horse to the water. Yet 30% is apparently too steep of a charge for moving more product than any other digital distributor out there; considering Steam doesn't put out takedown orders on other digital distributors they aren't the bad guys here. Yet we get people who hail Epic when they force developers into restricting(albeit temporary) contracts...

Furthermore, the "product" is an intangible thing that can be replicated an infinite amount of times for the cost of the electricity it takes to run the servers.

INSTG8R

This guy gets it.



Hating success is the meta thing to do so I don't think I'm going to stop any virtue signalers from getting their daily dose of dopamine from shouting down a big bad evil corporation. So in the end it doesn't really matter, can't fix stupid.

Steam is as big as it is for a fuckin' reason, if you still can't figure it out then that's your problem.

Well, that another games I'm going to skip purchasing.
It's not because I have to install another launcher, but because steam always have regional pricing for people like me that stay in 3rd world countries.
On epic store launcher it's gonna be us$50. regardless on where your countries is. Before on steam if I preorder it's around $25, the reason I don't pre-order is because.... I just don't do pre-order games without reading the release review first.
Using USA standard pricing it's so expensive for us. (For comparison, minimum wage in USA is about $10/hour or so right ? well in my country it's more or less $250/MONTH !)

Guess I'm gonna buy it on steam next year... the price should comes down a lot after a year or so..... or maybe they release the goty version with all dlc included too next year

INSTG8R

I get why Steam is great for you. But for alot of people like me, it's just another store, since only 3 of those are things I use, and yet, I'm plenty ok already on other platforms that may or may not have those 3. For many like me, it's just a place to find the game I want.

Schrodinger's BodybagSteam is as big as it is for a fuckin' reason, if you still can't figure it out then that's your problem.

Steam came during a time when many of us were buying physical discs, which were inconvenient (swapping discs to play), prone to damage, and took up a lot of physical room in one's living space, not to mention physical resources to produce and the logistics (and resources involved with logistics) to physically move them. So, you could buy the disc, or you could create a Steam account, purchase it from the comfort of your own home, download the thing and play. And all you had to do to launch the game was select it from a list of your other games. There were no discs to occupy your physical space, swap around when you wanted to play game x, risk damaging, or spend resources to manufacture and ship, and there was no more hunting for updates, as Steam automatically keeps everything up to date.

In short, Steam offered a lot of convenience in a time when no one else did. They were the first to the market... and people were generally okay with installing Steam on their computer to get that convenience. Now, digital downloads are a standard... but everybody and their brother wants you to install their launcher (and no-one else's), mostly because of market share. Everyone wants a piece of the pie Steam created, and now, to the detriment of the end user, you have to have 10 launchers installed (and associated accounts to keep track of) if you're a serious gamer. Maybe you had Steam for years, but you don't want to miss out on the latest Battlefield or Assassin's Creed game... whoops, there's 3 launchers already! Maybe you really liked the Metro series, so now you need to add a fourth to enjoy the latest one. :banghead:

INSTG8R

you forgot 1 thing : REGIONAL PRICING !!!

Schrodinger's BodybagI can't tell you how many launchers I've had over the past decade+ where I've purchased games from. Guess how many are still around? Not many, and for good reason. All I see is another launcher that will be either dead or a ghost town populated mostly by indie games in 5-10 years.

Yes folks, it's big bad Steam's fault for users not researching games before making an informed buy. Not surprising since these people seem to think advertising and publicity are apparently free in the real world. In almost all corners of the world market, you pay a premium for leading the proverbial horse to the water. Yet 30% is apparently too steep of a charge for moving more product than any other digital distributor out there; considering Steam doesn't put out takedown orders on other digital distributors they aren't the bad guys here. Yet we get people who hail Epic when they force developers into restricting(albeit temporary) contracts...

Furthermore, the "product" is an intangible thing that can be replicated an infinite amount of times for the cost of the electricity it takes to run the servers.

This guy gets it.



Hating success is the meta thing to do so I don't think I'm going to stop any virtue signalers from getting their daily dose of dopamine from shouting down a big bad evil corporation. So in the end it doesn't really matter, can't fix stupid.

Steam is as big as it is for a fuckin' reason, if you still can't figure it out then that's your problem.

You are so ANGRY. Like I said, first world problems. I’m gonna guess you’ve never had real tests in your life, like pulling someone from a wrecked car, having live rounds fired at you while trying to keep your buddies alive, or seen the misery and starvation in countless numbers of down on their luck 3rd world countries, wonder how you were going to feed your family, or had 3 friends die within 6 months.

Just a few of the kinds of things people face in this world or have faced multiple counts of, that put your anger at....let me get this straight, another launcher; a company that merely offered a lower fee to a publisher and studio, who are going to then make more money (which is their JOB), in perspective.

First world problems. :shadedshu:

rtwjunkieYou are so ANGRY. Like I said, first world problems. I’m gonna guess you’ve never had real tests in your life, like pulling someone from a wrecked car, having live rounds fired at you while trying to keep your buddies alive, or seen the misery and starvation in countless numbers of down on their luck 3rd world countries, wonder how you were going to feed your family, or had 3 friends die within 6 months.

Of course there are bigger problems in the world... but this thread isn't about that. It's about a game being pulled from Steam so it can be exclusively on Epic's store (for a period of time). Some of us aren't going to like that.

rtwjunkieJust a few of the kinds of things people face in this world or have faced multiple counts of, that put your anger at....let me get this straight, another launcher; a company that merely offered a lower fee to a publisher and studio, who are going to then make more money (which is their JOB), in perspective.

Or, maybe not? By selling your product exclusively at the Epic store, you're effectively shutting out those who would buy it if it were also on Steam (but not exclusively at Epic). Those are lost sales. There's quite a few people who have said in this thread alone on our own little corner of the net, that they won't be buying it for that reason.

People bitching when there weren't enough games on the PC, people bitching when Valve introduced Steam, people bitching when there are too many games on Steam, people bitching about not enough competition to Steam, people bitching when there is too much competition to Steam. Will it ever end?!?! I guess our PCs just can't handle the extra space for an extra program shortcut.

hatOf course there are bigger problems in the world... but this thread isn't about that. It's about a game being pulled from Steam so it can be exclusively on Epic's store (for a period of time). Some of us aren't going to like that.

Exactly my point. This thread is about a news item. What I’m talking about is the anger some people are displaying over this inconsequential bit of news. It’s a tidbit in the course of life, and if that is the thing that stirs up anger compared to real misery then I truly feel sorry for those people. It shows how shallow and oblivious people can be.

LiNKiNPeople bitching when there weren't enough games on the PC, people bitching when Valve introduced Steam, people bitching when there are too many games on Steam, people bitching about not enough competition to Steam, people bitching when there is too much competition to Steam. Will it ever end?!?! I guess our PCs just can't handle the extra space for an extra program shortcut.

You can't please all of the people all of the time... only some of the people some of the time. ;) :nutkick:

rtwjunkieExactly my point. This thread is about a news item. What I’m talking about is the anger some people are displaying over this inconsequential bit of news. It’s a tidbit in the course of life, and if that is the thing that stirs up anger compared to real misery then I truly feel sorry for those people. It shows how shallow and oblivious people can be.

I dunno. Maybe you have a valid point. For me, I do have Steam and Origin (begrudgingly so) because there were games on it I was kinda interested in for stupid cheap. It's another account to keep track of. Sure, I can handle it, but I don't really want to... :laugh:

Dear DEVS;

GOG.com

Get on it!
(pun intended)

Thank You.

rtwjunkieYou completely missed my point. No one is “forcing” you to do anything. What you have are First-World problems that pale in comparison to just about anything. Everything you do with gaming is a luxury.

No you missed mine, I ignored that because you trivializing others opinions because you disagree doesn't change anything, if you want to play a game they have exclusive rights to you will have to go through them, there are reasons people dislike things, its not always just outrage for the sake of outrage.

The question is how much outrage should you feel over this, like you said this isn't the end of the world, but it is something people will have to deal with in their everyday lives, what we need is an agnostic platform that these stores can link to so you need only one login and one program, and the publishers can still control their products and run their own store.

Now personally I don't care to much about this, well not yet anyway, the only game that really affected me was The Walking Dead - The Final Season, I do have a passing interest in Metro Exodus, but if I did buy it, it would probably be next year anyway when it is on sale.

It took Origin like 6 years to be "Tolerable" and they are still missing a lot of features, also they don't even own 5% of the whole Digital Distribution Pie. Last i checked Steam still owned 95% of the big pie, so if Epic thinks people will abandon Steam and move to their store they are completely out of their mind, but they got every right to try lol. I can however see some people using both, but i seriously doubt people will be ditching Steam in masses. Steam biggest features are Regional prices, Seasonal Sales, Refund System (which Epic copy and pasted) a Massive Community, A humongous Library, Wishlist, Achievements, Gifting System and most importantly Curating, Rating and Commenting System. If i recall correctly, Epic does not want any sort of community and even less a rating system for titles in their store. They are effectively trying to silence users from Boycotting or negatively affecting the sales of their games. This should be in everyones interest as consumers.

I'm totally cool with people moving to Epic, at the end of the day i don't even see them even taking away 5% of Steam user base. But why do some people get so upset when anyone voices their opinion of not buy it on Epic Store? I been reading comments in Deep Silver and Metro FB post, and even on articles by PC Gamer and some Videos by ReviewTechUS and The Quartering, and all i see is massive backlash toward Epic Store and Deep Silver. Some people are literally raging with anyone who disagrees with Metro moving exclusively to Epic . Why is it so important for them that Devs get a "fair" cut of the sales from Digital Distribution sales? what do these People (as consumers) get from commenting against other people opinions? I have seven a couple guys commenting on FB Deep Silver "Announcement" also in PC Gamer comments, and still raging for over several dozen comments... literally, scrolling down and seeing these guys for comments after comment going nuts.

Anyway, why can't the game be on both stores at the same time? i honestly don't think Deep Silver moved into Epic exclusivity for a couple bucks per sale, there's got a better deal under the table. I don't blame them for wanting to cash in all the extra $$$, but giving the finger to Steam user base after the game almost launches is really is a "D" move.

Why do i choose Steam over any of the others launchers out there? i been there since 2008, and no one gave a big stinking F about PC Gaming back then. It was all about the consoles... PC Gaming was dying and only Steam was there offering incredible value. Back in 2004-2006 i was totally against the idea of DRM and Steam too, i bash on them at every turn i could, but after i first got my free Steam from one of my friends in around 2008 i quickly started to like it. I remember Physical game copies going for over $1,000-1,200 MXN which i always thought it was excesively high... but i could get the same game on Steam without having to go outside and deal with traffic for only $150-200 MXN in one of those Flash Holiday Sales, they were so cheap that it changed my whole mentality toward Steam DRM. And then the Regional prices on top of the already low Steam prices, it was CRAZY! i quickly ramped up over 200 titles on steam by 2011. I now own exactly 426 Titles there in over 10 years and i honestly don't want another Launcher, GoG, Steam and Bethesda.launcher are already too much for me.

It's not like Steam is giving out pirated copies of games to their userbase or not keeping all the cash for themselves, also no one forced every Dev/Publisher to go to Steam, they did because it was a whole lot cheaper to release it on Steam than having to put a lot of cash into the Disc, Art, Cover, Manual and Shipping Physical copies, and there WAS NOTHING ELSE supporting PC Gaming back in the time. It was the same Devs/Publishers always giving consoles priority and ignoring PC. A decade later now every dev out there is crying about "unfair" cut. Heck i happily pay $60 USD over the $50 USD epic offers simply because 95% of my titles are on Steam, the rest 5% is on GoG, but they are mostly early 90's games i used to play back then. Also, if a publisher/dev does a shady move on Steam, i reserve the right to change my rating and literally let some steam go in the review of the game. As a modder, this Review TOOL is super important, it allowed ME as a consumer to Punch Rockstar in the face when they started banning Single Players modders. It also allowed other Modders and Users to punch Bethesda in the face when they tried to push Paid mods... i was actually for it because for once i might get something back out my Skyrim mods :/ But the majority had spoken, that's democracy.

The review system on Steam is a very powerful Tool for users to interact with Devs and Publishers. It can be abused? certainly, like EVERYTHING in life. But it's none the less an option on Steam, and IT WILL NOT ever be on Epic. They want you to silently buy games and F off if you don't like it. They even didn't had the same Refund until people started lashing out on them. I repeat, Epic does not want any sort of critique to their store or interaction between users and Devs/Publishers of such titles. And Steam is the bad guy huh? Steam with all their faults they are still the preffered platform by 90% of PC Gamers. And they have a lot of crap too, like shitty constant updates breaking features needing another update. Or the horrible support they offer, seriously it is horrible... luckily i had only requested support once when i lost my phone and could not access my account, it took a frigging week for them to reply. That's how bad it is... or was, i don't know because i don't need their support that much. Everything mostly works.

For those reasons i will remain on Steam as my main platform for the foreseeable future, you don't agree? you want to dump steam and move to Epic? it's your right and that's perfectly fine, you're not supposed to think like me, but i reserve the right to voice my opinion and choose where i buy and play my games. I take pride of being part of Steam super toxic community, and i think i speak at least for 70-80% of Steam user base, which you know... it recenlty just peaked at 50M users. Good luck to Epic trying to even get to 5M in the next 7 years, like EA with Origin. They are giving Fortnite kiddies too much credit.

are we talking about a singleplayer FPS game that you will finish in about 22 hours or "WOW 2 the second coming of Jezuz" or a looter shooter perhaps a space sim in which you will spend hundreds of hours ? What forums do you need, cloud save wasn't a feature when i was growing up and miraculously I survived. I still have a folder with saved games from 2007 on my external harddrive. Epic is aware of these shortcomings and all these features will be available but it will take some time. After you finish with Metro Exodus close it or unistall the launcher if that tingles your fetish revenge ideas. As I stressed earlier supporting the developer that care about games is more important than your single minded way of viewing things, not all developers have buckets of money. 4A games are the people who managed to finish Metro Last Light in their studios in Ukraine while it was invaded by "allegedly" Russian forces and separatist, power was out most of the time, plus the stress and panic. I recommend watching the interview online about the difficulties of finishing Metro LL. And here we sit bickering about a stupid launcher and our 1st world problems.

No!
Common, I was going to preorder this (yes yes, no preorders,). I DO NOT want even more launchers.
So yeah, they will get my money... one year later after it will be on a sale...
Fine, Steam might be too greedy, will not argue with that, but for as a gamer - end price does not change, but I get the obstacble of another launcher. Steam, GoG, Origin, uPlay, Epic Store, plus some more. Enooughhhhhhhh

Big fan of the Metro series, that being said; I will not buy it, I do not want 50 different clients on my machine. I like to consolidate.

INSTG8R

Don't really care any of those features. Only one I care is: can you back up your game on Epic Games Store?