Thursday, January 31st 2019
Mobile NVIDIA GeForce RTX GPUs Will Vary Wildly in Performance, Clocks Lowered Substantially
NVIDIA is in the process of rolling out the first implementations of its RTX 2000 series GPUs in mobile form, and if the going is as is being reported, it's going to be a little rough for users to actually extrapolate their performance from product to product. This is because manufacturers are apparently getting a whole lot of leeway in how to clock their products, according to their solution's thermal characteristics and design philosophy.
What this means is that NVIDIA's RTX 2080 Max-Q, for example, can be clocked as low as 735 MHz, which is a more than 50% downclock from its desktop counterpart (1,515 MHz). The non-Max-Q implementation of NVIDIA's RTX 2080, for now, seems to be clocked at around 1,380 MHz, which is still a close to 200 Mhz downclock. Of course, these lowered clocks are absolutely normal - and necessary - for these products, particularly on a huge chip such as the one powering the RTX 2080. The problem arises when manufacturers don't disclose clockspeeds of the GPU in their particular implementation - a user might buy, say, an MSI laptop and an ASUS one with the exact same apparent configuration, but GPUs operating at very different clockspeeds, with very different levels of performance. Users should do their due research when it comes to the point of choosing what mobile solution sporting one of these NVIDIA GPUs they should choose.
Sources:
TechSpot, Tweakers.net
What this means is that NVIDIA's RTX 2080 Max-Q, for example, can be clocked as low as 735 MHz, which is a more than 50% downclock from its desktop counterpart (1,515 MHz). The non-Max-Q implementation of NVIDIA's RTX 2080, for now, seems to be clocked at around 1,380 MHz, which is still a close to 200 Mhz downclock. Of course, these lowered clocks are absolutely normal - and necessary - for these products, particularly on a huge chip such as the one powering the RTX 2080. The problem arises when manufacturers don't disclose clockspeeds of the GPU in their particular implementation - a user might buy, say, an MSI laptop and an ASUS one with the exact same apparent configuration, but GPUs operating at very different clockspeeds, with very different levels of performance. Users should do their due research when it comes to the point of choosing what mobile solution sporting one of these NVIDIA GPUs they should choose.
100 Comments on Mobile NVIDIA GeForce RTX GPUs Will Vary Wildly in Performance, Clocks Lowered Substantially
You can ditch your comprehension, it doesn't help you one bit.
www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080-mobile.c3312
www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080-max-q.c3363
The 2070 replaces the 1080 and either matches it or beats it. And that's true for desktop and laptop. No arguing there.
But the 2070 max-q looses to the to the 1080 max-q in all the games tested on that site. Not to mention the fact that 1080m-q laptop had a weaker 7700HQ against a 8750H powerting the 2070m-q.
But while it's not apples to apples, it does show A picture.
Here, have a hint :
www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080-mobile.c3312
www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080-max-q.c3363
YOu state that the 2070 Max-Q loses to the 1080 Max-Q, but in this image, I see it beating it out except for whatever that overall performance score is...please note that these are all GRAPHICS scores in the benchmark, not overall so the CPU being one generation behind or a couple of cores/threads does not play a major role here.
Obviously synthetics don't give the most encompassing results, but we can see here it beats out the last gen by several %. Where did you see game benchmarks here? That site, to me, isn't easy to navigate.I'd say not. I have no idea what you are trying to say. :) If you need more out of the card, don't enable RT for the significant FPS drop. It has little (nothing?) to due with TDP but everything to do with the performance impact of RT.
EDIT,
its only BFV, sorry i thought it was more games.
Next lie?
RTX GPUs on desktop consume more power and run hotter than GTX 10-series GPUs did. That is established fact, even when not using RTX/DXR.
GTX 10-Series GPUs in laptops and mobile devices already had to be downclocked to avoid thermal and power consumption issues.
If the RTX chips are hotter and more power hungry, then the downclocking will have to be more aggressive assuming cooling stays the same, otherwise they will simply burn.
If the downclocking is more aggressive, then the performance gap between laptops and desktops will widen.
End of story. Done. Finished. That's that. The laws of physics dictate no less.
BF V (1080p/QHD/UHD) = 7/11/14% lead over 1080 MaxQ in that (ONE) gaming title. The CPU difference isn't much here considering the card gains more distance the higher the resolution goes.So do all laptop GPUs in most cases... in particular all Max-Qs do...
RTX 2070 175W vs GTX 1080 180W
RTX 2060 160W vs GTX 1070Ti 180WAssuming MaxQ means minimum possible spec (which it mostly does), RTX 2080 MaxQ is 80W, GTX 1080 MaxQ is 90W and Desktop GTX 1080 is 180W.
Power is the main limitation in mobile.
From the Shadow of Mordor graph, 9.5% better at 12% power limit deficit is not a bad result.
On the other hand, this is a slippery slope for NV. Get too many stupid people buying these expecting desktop performance and getting, well, laptop performance then they'll get a little unwanted negative publicity and negative performance reviews on forums.
And they also downclocked the hell out of it, it's slower than a 1070
By a lot :laugh:
Still, this is expected... I don't understand why (well, I do understand why...) this is 'whole nother level' when its normal, within a few %, to see this behavior...I agree that more clarity can come to this situation...
...however I do not agree with the toxicity levels and lack of reporting posts instead of replying (not you shur)... its the same people creating the same toxic environment here. I need to find my ignore button and stop worrying about the sinking ship since nobody else appears to.That is through performance not generational namesake.... Im not sure why some users are thinking this way. The next gen Honda accord is still an accord. Just because its as fast as an Acura TLX, doesn't suddenly turn a Honda into an Acura... bad analogy aside, let's think about that a little. :)
RTX 2080 at 215W vs GTX 1080 at 180W - 20% more power, ~40% more performance (from here)
RTX 2070 at 175W vs GTX 1070 at 150W - 17% more power, ~42% more performance
RTX 2060 at 160W vs GTX 1060 at 120W - 33% more power, ~60% more performance