How original...Another CM212....

Deepcool products are usually reasonable in terms of price and performance. So if the price is low, then I dont see an issue.

A blatant rip-off of the Hyper 212 with 2 6mm heat pipes instead of 4 4mm heat pipes. Better be 2/3 the price as well.

chimonowA blatant rip-off of the Hyper 212 with 2 6mm heat pipes instead of 4 4mm heat pipes. Better be 2/3 the price as well.

I see and the news piece states four 6-mm heatpipes.

I kinda get the feeling that most people (sometimes even myself) have nothing to add to the conversation so just bash the product in the news piece and move on.

Its true. TBH I don't mind if its a ripoff like some other people keep complaining about. In some countries find a Cooler Master for its MSRP is kinda rare and its cool to see people have other options other the the 212 EVO

Here my Deepcool Gamaxx GTE is around $30, while the CM Hyper 212 is around $40. So $10 off for the same perfo is kinda a win for me. I won't complain if I can get something that performs the same at a cheaper price :/

Is there a cooler which you guys don't call as a 212 ripoff? :D

Brings me back when every case with PSU on the bottom was a "Antec P180 clone". :rolleyes:

Chloe PriceIs there a cooler which you guys don't call as a 212 ripoff? :D

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NO !

Thats probably because the 212 was one of the earlier, well-performing, and well-made tower coolers of it's time that was also affordable... which back then was a rare commodity, and set the bar pretty high for most people who were looking for something other than the weak-ass, el-cheapo Intel crapo coolers of that era....

And just about every similar tower cooler since has used a near-identical design and configuration, so they were/are truly just a blatant rip-off of the 212 with someone else's branding slapped on it. So as you can see from this one, that trend has not slowed down at all, nor does it appear that it ever will, unless somebody, anybody, finds a way to actually build something that is not only different, but better designed and reasonably priced too..

As far as coolers go this one looks pretty generic. It does seem to be a little thicker than a 212 though.

chimonowA blatant rip-off of the Hyper 212 with 2 6mm heat pipes instead of 4 4mm heat pipes. Better be 2/3 the price as well.

you can clearly see 4 heatpipes on one of the images

I was about to say the same thing.

like another member said, overclocking is dead so how much does it really matter?

I have the older, standard Gammaxx 400 on an overclocked FX-8350 and I can vouch, it's a very capable and very affordable, well-made cooler. If you set this beside a CM212, you'd see a number of differences. Yes, many coolers in this category are very similar in size, shape, but blatant rip-offs? I don't think so. Just a design that is low-cost, simple and works well. Like so many other products on the market.

This is a nice looking cooler though that won't be expensive, I can say with confidence. They've done a decent job updating the Gammaxx 400 to give it a cleaner, more modern look.

chimonowA blatant rip-off of the Hyper 212 with 2 6mm heat pipes instead of 4 4mm heat pipes. Better be 2/3 the price as well.

Actually CM tends to be overpriced in lot of regions especially in Asia, when compared to Deepcool, and if you compare the installation of original Hyper 212 and Deepcool gamaxx 400 Deepcool was strides ahead.
Not saying it's not a copy, but they are priced better with few improvements of their own.

bonehead123Thats probably because the 212 was one of the earlier, well-performing, and well-made tower coolers of it's time that was also affordable... which back then was a rare commodity, and set the bar pretty high for most people who were looking for something other than the weak-ass, el-cheapo Intel crapo coolers of that era....

Why is price a reason for being called a rip-off or not? The Noctua NH-12 preceeded the Hyper 212 by 2 years as far as I can tell (Noctua introduced it in 2005 whereas the first mention/review of the Hyper 212 was in 2007 on Anandtech, unless Google is not showing me the right things today). It seems to be a pretty silly stance. Unless you also go around calling every car a Model-T rip-off and every plane a "no idea what the first plane was" rip-off.

I'm looking at the pictures and can't help but wonder how the two pipes in the back are getting any airflow at all.

freeagentI was about to say the same thing.

like another member said, overclocking is dead so how much does it really matter?

Plenty... it's not like they magically started using the old 'stock' power just because it's all boost now. The difference is all of the OC potential is used out of the box. Under load you still have the energy and heat rivaling that of past OCs to deal with. Maybe not as much as a more traditional all-core, but enough that most people still wouldn't use the stock cooler. They're still loud and often just barely adequate for mid to high end skus. And you gotta deal with it or boosts start to throttle down.

It'd be a different story if everybody was happily chugging along on those stock coolers. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Just look at the temps of your average Ryzen 3000. Especially as you go up in core count. My 3900x can hit 80c stock under a Dark Rock 4. This cooler wouldn't cut it. All without overclocking. Plenty of current CPUs still kick up more heat than a hockey puck can cool quietly or guarantee best performance.

So I don't buy it. Unless there's been some huge revolution in desktop CPU efficiency, you still kinda want a decent aftermarket cooler. At least for the higher end skus. Though it's also still not a bad idea for everything but maybe the very bottom 4c chips.

To be clear, this is not the kind of cooler I would buy, even for stock clocks. I wouldn’t reccomend any 212 type cooler to anyone. Don’t care how good people say they are. I’ve got one and I think it’s a bit on the junky side, especially when you compare them to my Thermalrights. And yes I said what difference does it make.. but if you are buying a 500 buck cpu, chances are you will not use a 30 buck cooler on it. And if you do.. you deserve to have a hot cpu lol, because you should know better. I have a friend who knows nothing of computers, as he runs Mac.. he built himself a nice 9700k setup for a hackintosh. He is using a drp4 cooler. Even he knows you need a good cooler because he can read.

freeagentTo be clear, this is not the kind of cooler I would buy, even for stock clocks. I wouldn’t reccomend any 212 type cooler to anyone. Don’t care how good people say they are. I’ve got one and I think it’s a bit on the junky side, especially when you compare them to my Thermalrights. And yes I said what difference does it make.. but if you are buying a 500 buck cpu, chances are you will not use a 30 buck cooler on it. And if you do.. you deserve to have a hot cpu lol, because you should know better. I have a friend who knows nothing of computers, as he runs Mac.. he built himself a nice 9700k setup for a hackintosh. He is using a drp4 cooler. Even he knows you need a good cooler because he can read.

It would be counter productive to use a $30 cooler on a $500 CPU.

On that we can all agree haha.

Wouldn’t your 3900x hit those temps anyways? Or would you see another 10c or more with a stock cooler? I thought Ryzen chips were pretty much strained silicon from the factory which would explain the heat.

freeagentWouldn’t your 3900x hit those temps anyways? Or would you see another 10c or more with a stock cooler? I thought Ryzen chips were pretty much strained silicon from the factory which would explain the heat.

I've actually been meaning to try. Given how the boost works it probably would, just not at the same clocks.

So now they just add RGB and suddenly its a NEW! sku item? :banghead:

freeagentTo be clear, this is not the kind of cooler I would buy, even for stock clocks. I wouldn’t reccomend any 212 type cooler to anyone. Don’t care how good people say they are. I’ve got one and I think it’s a bit on the junky side, especially when you compare them to my Thermalrights. And yes I said what difference does it make.. but if you are buying a 500 buck cpu, chances are you will not use a 30 buck cooler on it. And if you do.. you deserve to have a hot cpu lol, because you should know better. I have a friend who knows nothing of computers, as he runs Mac.. he built himself a nice 9700k setup for a hackintosh. He is using a drp4 cooler. Even he knows you need a good cooler because he can read.

So... you wouldn't recommend this to anyone because it's not a good fit for $500 CPUs? Are you sure about that?

DeathtoGnomesSo now they just add RGB and suddenly its a NEW! sku item? :banghead:

Not even that. They updated the RGB to ARGB.

btarunrNot even that. They updated the RGB to ARGB.

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference?

Edit: Nevermind, found it: A stands for addressable. Because apparently single color lighting is too bland.

bugSo... you wouldn't recommend this to anyone because it's not a good fit for $500 CPUs? Are you sure about that?

No, of course not, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying if it is a 212 clone, and performs like a 212, then keep your money and buy something else. I have a 212, and I cant say I'm a fan. Its better than a stock cooler, Ill give it that. But if you're in a pinch, and that's all you can get, or you're not into higher end overclocks than its better than a poke in the eye with a dull stick.