Wednesday, August 26th 2020

Elon Musk to Show Working Neuralink Device This Friday

Elon Musk, via its Neuralink company, is set to reveal a working device this Friday. Neuralink Corporation was started back in 2016 with the mission to develop a BMI (Brain-Machine Interface), ultimately allowing for integration of a computer with the human mind. Work has gone on in relative secrecy until now, but the announcement from Elon Musk shows that the company has been diligently working behind closed doors - as one would expect for such a fundamental technology. The first step is for Neuralink to serve as a "treatment" of sorts for brain diseases and assorted conditions. The device works by implanting threads into the brain, for which Neuralink is developing a "sewing machine-like" device that can manipulate and insert 4 to 6 μm in width threads throughout a recipient's brain (note that patient wasn't the word used there).

The basis behind Neuralink's foundation, and its ultimate goal, is the belief for a need for human augmentation (sometimes referred to as transhumanism). This aims to keep up with the increasingly entrenched Dataist interpretation of humankind, and the advent of increasingly complex algorithms - and even AI - throughout the sphere of our lives. Apart from showing off a working Neuralink prototype, which will supposedly demonstrate the ability to "fire neurons in real time", the company is unveiling a second-generation robot for sewing the threads into the brain. The objective is to develop flexible threads that circumvent currently-employed rigid threads in BMI interfaces, which always run the risk of damaging the brain. Eventually, this surgery will be non-invasive - an objective example is the workings of LASIK eye surgery. Being a Musk-backed project, lofty claims and unrealistic deadlines are aplenty; the company first expected to start human trials by the end of this year. For now, no more information on that milestone has been shared.

In-between the brain disease treatment and the human augmentation starts and ends of the plans for this technology is the aim to allow Neuralink-implanted human beings to connect to a processing aide - be it a computer or a smartphone. Imagine offloading information to your chosen device - backing-up real-time inputs from your senses - or being able to run on-the-fly Google or database searches. Imagine perfect memory, or the ability to write TPU news articles only by thinking of the content, instead of having to find a comfortable computer to work on. Imagine the benefits - and dangers - of perfect recall for every memory you've ever had. What do you think? Scary, or inspiring?
Source: The Verge
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55 Comments on Elon Musk to Show Working Neuralink Device This Friday

#26
droopyRO
No, thanks. As much as i like technology, i like it separated from human beings. As the great Bill Burr said it, technology should have stopped at around 2010 level :)
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#27
bug
mak1skavCrying all day about how dangerous are all the AI projects from other companies and then wants to shows us that... hmmm gg Elon.
The real kicker is most AI branded things have little to nothing to do with AI. Best case scenario, the product is using a neural network that was trained using AI, but having no on-board AI whatsoever. Worst case scenario, the code uses if...then...else to make decisions. I have yet to see an AI-branded product actually learn anything.
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#28
jayseearr
So uhhhh, the potential to fix blindless and paralysis amongst thousands of other things within the brain is what elon was claiming not too long ago...I am skeptical but it is a very exciting thought to entertain
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#29
Chomiq
I'm all in if this can be used for treatment of Alzheimer of Parkinson and not to feed you ads.
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#30
windwhirl
Chomiqand not to feed you ads.
windwhirlThough I definitely want three things running on this: Anti-malware software, firewall and ad-blockers
:D :laugh:
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#31
jayseearr
^agreed I'm sure this will be something only the richest could afford to even think about, but even if it somehow only helps a select small amount of people with brain injuries or disabilities who would have otherwise had 0 options...that really would be something incredible.
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#32
Steevo
People with perfect recall often have very troubled relationships due to their ability to remember exactly what happened without the ability to temper thoughts against their own immaturity at the time.

They will need more than perfect memory to make a better human, and I forsee a lot of failure while they try.
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#33
jayseearr
I don't even think making the "perfect human" is on anyone's agenda that is just fantasy sci fi stigma b.s that would naturally get attracted to things like this. In reality it's just a tool...no different than the tool a surgeon would use to cut you open...is there a chance for failure? Sure, one would assume so...but should fear of failure necessarily be a reason not to try and innovate? I know I wouldn't be the first one to put my name on the list but somewhere, somebody will inevitably find themself in a situation where maybe it's worth it
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#34
Lucas_
i m waiting when he is going to announce " I m Iron Man " and built the suit .
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#35
PowerPC
SteevoPeople with perfect recall often have very troubled relationships due to their ability to remember exactly what happened without the ability to temper thoughts against their own immaturity at the time.

They will need more than perfect memory to make a better human, and I forsee a lot of failure while they try.
How about an AI powered judgement assistant that runs on those memories and evaluates which ones you should reevaluate?

I don't believe all people with such naturally good memories have troubled relationships. I think people like that only have good memory for certain negative moments in their relationships, which this technology could actually help to balance out by also helping you to remember more of the good parts as well.

Actually, I admit I'm one of those people. I can remember every moment someone else f'd up in detail but I can barely remember the nice situations or words that have been exchanged. I could use that kind of reminder from time to time. As Musk says, you could even relive the best situations and memories in your life like you're really there again with this technology. That could actually be amazing for people just to not forget these things and be more grounded in reality. It's the things that we remember, voluntarily or not, that form our world view. Many times it's not what you choose to remember but what you are conditioned to remember, and that is often negative for multiple reasons (neglect and abuse as a child comes to mind that leads to only bad memories and focusing on the bad side of things). So having the choice to remember more good memories even thought you would forget them without help, sounds really cool to me.
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#36
Caring1
jayseearr^agreed I'm sure this will be something only the richest could afford to even think about, but even if it somehow only helps a select small amount of people with brain injuries or disabilities who would have otherwise had 0 options...that really would be something incredible.
Who wants to volunteer to try the AliExpress version when they appear? ;)
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#38
chodaboy19
As long as Musk doesn't use a steel ball to test it, it should all go smoothly...
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#39
jayseearr
sorry to post an external link but i stumbled across this video and i thought it was interesting and worth sharing as well as on-topic.


the joe rogan podcast was interesting but this guy did a much better job of asking pertinent questions and actually extracting some thought provoking information from elon rather than lighting up a joint and just joking around the whole time.:pimp:
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#40
Caring1
Elon isn't the first to try this, DARPA has been on this too in conjunction with Melbourne University, it also reminds me of the movie Upgrade, which I found to be quite good.
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#41
Space Lynx
Astronaut
It's important to keep in mind Elon did state the first major goal of neuralink will be medical field related. There is massive money/investment in that kind of stuff, even if he can only help reduce symptoms of certain diseases this will probably be financially very successful. It's a smart move. and spacex will be supported financially from its subsidiary - Starlink internet subs.

Boring company supported by governments in need of fixing gridlock

Gigafactories getting massive funding from successful stunts like when Australia needed backup power fast and Elon delivered not only fast but with the highest quality in the world.
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#42
Caring1
lynx29Gigafactories getting massive funding from successful stunts like when Australia needed backup power fast and Elon delivered not only fast but with the highest quality in the world.
Hmm, I don't recall that happening, it's not like we don't have an abundance of power suppliers or sources already.
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#43
Prima.Vera
I want that device from "Horizon ZD" which gets powered by the human body only.
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#44
Space Lynx
Astronaut
Caring1Hmm, I don't recall that happening, it's not like we don't have an abundance of power suppliers or sources already.
No I meant, such acts generate trust in a organization, further increasing contracts/sales, etc

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-28/two-years-on-musk-s-big-battery-bet-is-paying-off-in-australia

Batteries smooth out power flows which can threaten network stability when they become volatile. The Tesla battery can respond to these frequency events much more quickly than coal or gas-fired generators, which have traditionally performed the role in Australia, and at a much lower cost, said Garth Heron, Neoen’s head of development in Australia.
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#45
Octopuss
Caring1So is that Neura-link, or Neural-ink?
Musk needs to hire a new guy in charge of spelling.
Advancements in the tattooing technology? Where do I sign up?
Fuck wires in the brain.
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#46
AusWolf
Has anyone watched the film "Upgrade"? Sounds awfully similar.
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#47
bug
AusWolfHas anyone watched the film "Upgrade"? Sounds awfully similar.
Have you seen Nebula? She turned out just fine in the end, so no worries :P
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#48
R-T-B
droopyRONo, thanks. As much as i like technology, i like it separated from human beings. As the great Bill Burr said it, technology should have stopped at around 2010 level :)
I don't see any reason to stop it at 2010. I do generally draw the line at my brain as of now, though. It'd be a hard sell to convince me otherwise.
AusWolfHas anyone watched the film "Upgrade"? Sounds awfully similar.
Yep. Hollywood is not a science reference, but at the same time some of it's warnings do strike home.
ChomiqI'm all in if this can be used for treatment of Alzheimer of Parkinson and not to feed you ads.
That I agree with.
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#49
Caring1
AusWolfHas anyone watched the film "Upgrade"? Sounds awfully similar.
I see you didn't read the thread, as I mentioned that film earlier already.
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#50
Xzibit
Caring1I see you didn't read the thread, as I mentioned that film earlier already.
:eek:

So is Elon causing these injuries to begin with ?...
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