ratirt3060Ti 108FPS
6700XT 119FPS

you need your reading glasses, 114 not 119.

Folks all talking about if MSRP prices and performance....

IF the 6700XT was MSRP ($480), the card is only (on average) 6% behind a 3070 and (on average) 6% faster than a 3060Ti.
IF 3060Ti at MSRP is $400
IF 3070 at MSRP is $500

I don't really see the problem with the pricing of the 6700XT at MSRP price points. Sure, it could maybe be $30 less and sit right at the middle point at $450 since the card seems to land right in the middle of the performance gap of the 3060Ti and 3070.

As it stands right now in the US, Nvidia is priced lower than AMD - if you can find them.
As to why AMD cards are priced higher here.....? I don't know. Maybe it's supply constraints. Maybe it's because AIB are screwing people over? Maybe it's because retailers are still riding the high price train?

Right now, as I said in my original post, at local Micro Center stores it is cheaper to snap up a 3060Ti over a 6700XT. It's even cheaper or at a similar cost to get a 3070 (if you're lucky enough to get one) over a 6700XT.

I still stand by my suggestion that if the 6700XT was more at MSRP ($500) and with it's current availability at Micro Center, I would have happily picked one up and been on my merry way.

I do also find it interesting that folks in other countries see the opposite that I see here in the States when it comes to pricing between Nvidia and AMD and also availability of the two brands.

Bomby569you need your reading glasses, 114 not 119.

Oh and that changes a lot right? Basically the world is turned around now :)

neatfeatguyFolks all talking about if MSRP prices and performance....

IF the 6700XT was MSRP ($480), the card is only (on average) 6% behind a 3070 and (on average) 6% faster than a 3060Ti.
IF 3060Ti at MSRP is $400
IF 3070 at MSRP is $500

I don't really see the problem with the pricing of the 6700XT at MSRP price points. Sure, it could maybe be $30 less and sit right at the middle point at $450 since the card seems to land right in the middle of the performance gap of the 3060Ti and 3070.

As it stands right now in the US, Nvidia is priced lower than AMD - if you can find them.
As to why AMD cards are priced higher here.....? I don't know. Maybe it's supply constraints. Maybe it's because AIB are screwing people over? Maybe it's because retailers are still riding the high price train?

Right now, as I said in my original post, at local Micro Center stores it is cheaper to snap up a 3060Ti over a 6700XT. It's even cheaper or at a similar cost to get a 3070 (if you're lucky enough to get one) over a 6700XT.

I still stand by my suggestion that if the 6700XT was more at MSRP ($500) and with it's current availability at Micro Center, I would have happily picked one up and been on my merry way.

I do also find it interesting that folks in other countries see the opposite that I see here in the States when it comes to pricing between Nvidia and AMD and also availability of the two brands.

Those 'IF'. I think the 6700 XT should be around $450 than I would have bought it as a replacement for my 5600XT in the other build but I guess I will skip it seeing current prices. Heh

ratirtOh and that changes a lot right? Basically the world is turned around now :)


Those 'IF'. I think the 6700 XT should be around $450 than I would have bought it as a replacement for my 5600XT in the other build but I guess I will skip it seeing current prices. Heh

Yeah it turned your USD/FPS of the 6700XT to 8.3 vs 3060Ti's 8.1, that makes the 6700XT overpriced by every metric. Sure it's negligible difference, but AMD has always been the cheaper alternative, not some premium GPU maker.
And I haven't said anything about RT or DLSS :roll:

nguyenYeah it turned your USD/FPS of the 6700XT to 8.3 vs 3060Ti's 8.1, that makes the 6700XT overpriced by every metric. Sure it's negligible difference, but AMD has always been the cheaper alternative, not some premium GPU maker.
And I haven't said anything about RT or DLSS :roll:

RT is a horrible thing to judge any performance by with this iteration of GPUs. AMD and Nvidia are both still poor with it. Give both sides two more generations before you can make claim that one does it better than the other. Look at Nvidia....they have dedicated cores to handle RT and without DLSS they still aren't that good at it. As to why anyone would want to use RT as a claim to fame for one company over the next....that's beyond me.

I can't really comment on DLSS. I have a 3060Ti, but I have zero games that I play that make use of it. I'm sure a lot of people are in the same boat, have the hardware, but don't have the software to utilize it. Right now it's just like Nvidia Physx...it's there, but it's not necessary to run games and not all games support it. It's hard to make an argument that DLSS is so great because it's got limited support out there.

neatfeatguyRT is a horrible thing to judge any performance by with this iteration of GPUs. AMD and Nvidia are both still poor with it. Give both sides two more generations before you can make claim that one does it better than the other. Look at Nvidia....they have dedicated cores to handle RT and without DLSS they still aren't that good at it. As to why anyone would want to use RT as a claim to fame for one company over the next....that's beyond me.

I can't really comment on DLSS. I have a 3060Ti, but I have zero games that I play that make use of it. I'm sure a lot of people are in the same boat, have the hardware, but don't have the software to utilize it. Right now it's just like Nvidia Physx...it's there, but it's not necessary to run games and not all games support it. It's hard to make an argument that DLSS is so great because it's got limited support out there.

Yeah sure just enjoy your 3060Ti, whatever do you with it, it still makes more sense than 6700XT :roll:

Guy's its just a GPU!! Don't get so uptight trying to be right, never worth it!! :D

Maybe it's just the currency?

Throughout the supposed GPU shortage & price scalping, there were no shortage of customers and the supply was still flowing, in spite of the shortage; it was more a market test, if you ask me?! First the COVID was faulted, then it was crypto-mining. Finally it was blamed on lack of fabs, followed by billion dollar fab expansion. Someone has to pay for the expansion and salary increases, as Asian cost has increased.

Furthermore, corporations have dug their claws into the global government causing major gov. mandates of all sorts, facilitating government spending excuses into the trillions, inviting massive inflation & more increases.

RocketlaketxThroughout the supposed GPU shortage & price scalping, there were no shortage of customers and the supply was still flowing, in spite of the shortage; it was more a market test, if you ask me?! First the COVID was faulted, then it was crypto-mining. Finally it was blamed on lack of fabs, followed by billion dollar fab expansion. Someone has to pay for the expansion and salary increases, as Asian cost has increased.

Furthermore, corporations have dug their claws into the global government causing major gov. mandates of all sorts, facilitating government spending excuses into the trillions, inviting massive inflation & more increases.

Covid was absolutely real, and to blame for it. So was crypto. I don't see how you can put things that way, like they were making stuff up.
Those new fabs will still take a long time until they produce a single waffer.

This post was just too "conspiracy theory" to me

The situation basically is that the supply stabilized enough that many cards are in stock on next day delivery like they normally would, but you need to pay like twice MSRP. The situation seems to be growing on people as well, at the beginning of the year I've had a few ask me to pick the parts for their PCs and they were quickly turned off by the prospect of overpaying so much for the GPU, but now they are kind of suggesting that they are willing to do it. This is probably the future, GPUs will be announced at fake MSRPs and then cost twice as much as soon as the hit the shelves and stay like that forever. This is not only for the GPUs, similar situation is for many different products and industries. And now that they have seen a way to artificially double or triple the price and still sell out of everything, I don't think there is going to be any incentive to go back to how things were.

As they say at this point in time Zero Effs given. I dismissed current gen cards at the beginning of the year as no go. I'll wait for Lovelace or RDNA3 and see if early 2023 brings us a sense of normality on pricing. Next gen will see double the performance at the higher end at least for both camps. 4070 will be easily 4K worthy for even AAA titles as would 7700XT. 4080/4090 would be 4K120 capable in most cases if all the leaks are true.

if you don't mine there is a chance you could exchange an old card for a new LHR for the same money and winning performance. I did it