Wednesday, December 15th 2021

Intel Core i5-12400 Early Review Dubs it a Game Changer

The upcoming Intel Core i5-12400 processor could be a game changer in the mid-range, according to an early gaming performance review by Igor's Lab, which landed simulated the chip by disabling the E-cores, and setting the right clock speeds and power values. Based on the smaller H0 silicon of "Alder Lake-S," which physically only features six "Golden Cove" CPU cores, and no "Gracemont" E-core clusters, the i5-12400 ticks at 2.50 GHz, and 4.40 GHz boost frequency, with 65 W base power, and 117 W maximum turbo power (MTP).

Testing reveals that this MTP value lends the processor some stellar energy-efficiency numbers, and the chip strikes a performance/Watt sweetspot. Igor's Lab, however, recommends that for the best efficiency, the i5-12400 should be paired with DDR4 memory. In its testing, DDR4-3733 (with Gear 1) was used. Gaming benchmarks put out by Igor's Lab shows that the Core i5-12400 trades blows with the AMD Ryzen 5 5600X "Zen 3" in a number of games, beating it in several of them by virtue of higher IPC of the "Golden Cove" cores, and beating the i7-11700K "Rocket Lake" 8-core/16-thread processor at a fraction of its power-draw. A word of caution, though, is that the i5-12400 was simulated on a C0 silicon, possibly the i9-12900K, and the real i5-12400 die may not have the same refinements or electrical characteristics. Even with the E-core cluster disabled, the L3 cache size isn't the same (30 MB vs. 18 MB). Catch the review in the source link below.
Source: Igor's Lab
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66 Comments on Intel Core i5-12400 Early Review Dubs it a Game Changer

#51
Minus Infinity
Well I guess the title isn't as shameful as Wccftech's "Intel 12400 demolishes 5600X".

Honestly, looks good, but until they release budget to mid-range boards, who cares. Still you don't need DDR5, so only the Z690 board prices are stopping AL making sense at the moment.

Anyway, I'm waiting for RL, and looking forward to more E-cores, some of us don't just game. i7 13700K with 8 P cores, 8 E-cores. Also looking forward to Zen 4, 6800X.
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#52
igorsLAB
I prevent me before leaking too much details, but the original CPU was a small tick faster. The smaller cache doesn't play a big (or any) role in this case.
lost in translation
Yeah... difficult thing.

For example the German idiom "blue miracle/wonder". The more or less exact translation must be "You will be shocked" or "to experience a surprise".

It came from an interesting, historical building, the "Lockwitz bridge" in Dresden (Germany). At the time of its construction, the bridge was one of the first of this span made of metal that did not require any piers in the river it spanned (in this case, the Elbe) - among other reasons, this is why it was called a miracle or wonder. The name "Blaues Wunder", in turn, is also due to the bridge's light blue paint, which is already mentioned in publications from the time of its construction in 1893. :D
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#53
igorsLAB
#metoo :D

Back to topic:
What leaves me a bit in the dark about Alder Lake is Intel's strategy: One overpowers a really efficient CPU and just about achieves fictitious performance crowns, but unfortunately forgets that a significantly higher efficiency with comparable performance is much more valuable in the current time. However, this logic is of course difficult to comprehend for a company in a country where electricity flows cheaply and without limits from the socket. :D
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#54
95Viper
Stay on topic
If you wish to discuss other topics... create a thread in the appropriate forum section.
The topic in this thread is "Intel Core i5-12400 Early Review Dubs it a Game Changer"

Thank You, and, have a good day.
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#55
Unregistered
bugThey're coming Q1'22. Remember X570 was the only option for Zen for about a year.
igorsLABRemember... The first X570 boards were around 200 Euros, same game. B550 came later. Same with Intels B and H boards.

BTW: The numbers are not optimistic. The i5-12600K has 20 MB of cache (not 30, nobody used the 12900K, this news is wrong not my review!), the i5-12400 18 MB. If you have a look at the cache structure, you will understand, that the missing cache is connected to the e-cores. So you won't miss the cache, if the e-cores were deactivated ;)

Of course, what I'm saying is so called reviewers shouldn't recommend Alder Lake till those boards are available, exactly like with the x570.
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#56
Selaya
That's not really a good comparison, you were able to put Matisse Ryzens into B450s, and they were a dime a dozen. Then again, the 12400's not yet launched and the B660s are scheduled to launch alongside, so
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#57
Caring1
On topic, what games is it going to change? :p
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#58
Why_Me
Caring1On topic, what games is it going to change? :p
With the expected price point it means even more Aussie Intel builds.
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#59
lexluthermiester
Caring1On topic, what games is it going to change? :p
The value/price sector game. Intel currently out values AMD(which hasn't happened in a LONG time) and will do it again if these projected numbers bear out. A few years ago AMD brought the fight to Intel and kicked butt doing so. Today, Intel is bringing the fight back and they are doing it the same way, better performance for less money. The CPU market is currently very competitive, which is excellent for consumers on every level.
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#60
igorsLAB
I have no idea - allowed or not - but here is the Part 2 with Workstation. A little bit different picture but the trend against the Ryzen 5 5600 is clear.
Someone asked me via mail for i3-12100, but I have no existing QS to compare and fine-tune a simulated CPU and so it makes no sense. Sorry :(
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#61
InVasMani
The cache structure between both designs is something I see as playing a impact. The cache misses between both is going to be different for both for better or worse to each. The L3 on the AMD is a lot bigger while the L1+L2 on Intel is better and accessed more readily at the same time. When performance dives from a cache hit on the Intel chip though it'll probably be more pronounced than on the AMD chip that's more fat and wide on the L3 cache and a larger combined cache structure as a whole on the CPU. I think in the case of compression/decompression at certain allocation unit sizes the AMD chip could be stronger as a whole. The Intel will run out of cache available sooner and memory is slower and a bigger penalty.

The ramdisk performance at 4096 unit allocation size with NTFS compression enabled between both chips is something comparing would be nice to see. I use NTFS compression all the time personally on SSD's you get more I/O and disk space. On a ramdisk you eliminate more of the disk storage bottleneck so you can really compare the CPU cache speed more readily combined with the compression. I like to use CompactGUI as well a bit to compress even further with some of the more CPU taxing compression techniques. I think with direct storage these compression scenario's will become a bit more relevant to discussion though to what extent I'm not so sure similar to Primo Cache I have to imagine.


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#62
bug
Caring1On topic, what games is it going to change? :p
Going by the tests, the perf/W game. Possibly the perf/$ game as well.
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#63
R0H1T
bugGoing by the tests, the perf/W game
Not by much.
bugPossibly the perf/$ game as well.
Maybe, but again take DDR5 & overall platform costs into account with this!

You can't claim ADL is super efficient yet conveniently ignore the super premium DDR5 commands, without DDR5 I'm guessing perf/W gains would be middling at best.
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