Legacy-ZAI agree with you on the overclocking side just not being worth it for the extra $$, I do find, however, that the OC editions come with better cooling, VRM and usually, Dual BIOS, which is a plus to me, that being said, still too expensive for what you get, my two cents.

Yes, that's a real thing: OC versions are rarely built around bottom-of-the-barrel components.

bugYes, that's a real thing: OC versions are rarely built around bottom-of-the-barrel components.

And once upon a time, with the OC editions, we used to have some additional VRAM.

The fan on the backside will share airflow with CPU if used for intake, if used for outake it will warm the cpu better.
Can't see from that picture the fan blades direction. But for sure we will need 8+3 pci slots cases or dual chambers split cases.

takaThe fan on the backside will share airflow with CPU if used for intake, if used for outake it will warm the cpu better.
Can't see from that picture the fan blades direction. But for sure we will need 8+3 pci slots cases or dual chambers split cases.

I think Tony Stark lost his reactor... :roll:

If the rumors are true (@ 2x 3090 performance) and the price is $1500, I may EVGA step up to one from the 3080ti I just bought.
The only reason is for VR. 2D screen performance is fine for what I have but the high end VR sets out there are way beyond display capability of what the 3000 series is rendering, at full resolution. Since getting the 3080ti I'm getting back into VR again and am thoroughly enjoying it ... but I'm going to upgrade my headset too.

I think that design looks groove. It looks like a 2 bricker for sure might need a couple of support brackets.

FlankerAt what stage do we stop bothering to air cool these high end cards and make water cooled cards the reference? Like slap a single slot water block on them and say you gotta have a custom loop if you want to use these mofos

Most already do this, but still offer air-cooled versions just to maximize sales coverage.

I'd be more interested in seeing GPUs like these just offered "barebones"; no cooler at all, just the board, with cooling purchased separately. Let someone slap on a Raijintek GPU cooler and some Noctuas, or buy a WB kit and throw it on them. Sell them directly from the manufacturer, with blatant warnings about needing to purchase their own cooling solution for them and a limited warranty.

That being said, I'd like for some AIB partners to look into AIO GPUs again; preferably using expandable AIOs from the likes of EK and Alphacool to allow for a ready-to-use solution that also allows for expandability and upgradability. For the rest, there's Asetek's GPU AIO that still takes up 4 slots, but runs more quietly (relative to an air cooled solution or a piddly 120 radiator AIO solution), in addition to the more conventional long-tube AIO options that lets users slap a 240 or 360 rad to the roof, front, or bottom of larger cases.

"I don't like the look of that."

-Kormac The Templar D3

Legacy-ZAAnd once upon a time, with the OC editions, we used to have some additional VRAM.

Not always as advantage. Back in FX500/ Radeon 8-9000 series days, more VRAM came with relaxed latency. So you'd win when more VRAM was actually in use, but lose in every other scenario. The graphics cards were never dull. At least since S3 thought of adding hardware acceleration for some primitives.

I guess next time when our cards become unusable, we can take out the heatsink made of metal and sell it for a good price. And in winter, sit behind our case where the heat comes out, and we won't be cold anymore.

It's looklike all custom 4090 will be huge and hot..

Great for winter

DeathtoGnomesI dont see the problem, its expected. Adapt or dont buy one.


No not really.

Pointing out how stupid the card design is IS adapting. Criticism is helpful to keep the market from sucking up its own farts.

BwazeConsidering that even AIB partners and stores, resellers were "scalping" (or basic supply and demand pricing by some) in the end, they could just circumvent the scalpers, "hodl" the cards and trickle them at extreme prices to those wealthy buyers.



Yeah, or they could sell just the cards without coolers, and we buy our own? I mean, I have a brand new 3080 triple slot cooler in a box that was used perhaps for two weeks, until the water cooling block arrived and I found the time to install it.

"Reference design" is a good idea now, most of the cards are covered now by just a single spec cooler. And non reference cards, while advertising greater overclockability, offered very little extra, considering the markup.

Except then you are limited in both cooler and PCB design. We tried the whole third party air cooler thing, and you may have missed it, but they were BIGGER, and HEAVIER, then any OEM design. Because they had to be "universal" and thus couldnt be designed around any specific design or component.

DeathtoGnomesI dont see the problem, its expected. Adapt or dont buy one.


No not really.

It's customers who dictate trends, not companies. Enough people decide there are enough reasons not to buy one, chance are there will be a course correction.

I wonder what AMD decision will be regarding TDP for the flagship.
With only 21% of the market I don't think the big three (ASUS/MSI/GB) will make a custom entry design (ASUS TUF, GB Gaming etc) much different from Nvidia's option, so AMD probably must choose at what PCB/cooling cost it will bind their "reference spec compliant flagship" cards from the existing Ada/Ampere ones.
So there is a possibility for reference to be as low as 350W.
If we suppose AMD advertise +65% performance/Watt for Navi31 flagship and the TPU testbed measure it around +53.5% like in 6900XT/5700XT case if we compare TBPs (even less if we compare actual power consumption) then in a pessimistic scenario it can be at 4K something like "only" +52% faster than 3090Ti at 350W TBP.
Still, even this case is preferable vs a 450W monster imo.
The problem I have with this scenario is that AMD will be leaving money on the table since it can target higher TDP achieving great performance and price it much higher consequently based on competition's price/performance level.

Looks like those bootleg mouse on ebay design.

DeathtoGnomesNo not really.

Yes, we did.

I needed it. Was impatient.

CyberCTIf the rumors are true (@ 2x 3090 performance) and the price is $1500, I may EVGA step up to one from the 3080ti I just bought.
The only reason is for VR. 2D screen performance is fine for what I have but the high end VR sets out there are way beyond display capability of what the 3000 series is rendering, at full resolution. Since getting the 3080ti I'm getting back into VR again and am thoroughly enjoying it ... but I'm going to upgrade my headset too.

News flash: EVGA shutdown it's GPU business for good. No 4000 cards from them.

Dirt ChipNews flash: EVGA shutdown it's GPU business for good. No 4000 cards from them.

I've yet to see that from any official source. It could be true but I'm waiting for it from the horses mouth not techtubers.

EDIT: didn't take long, it's official now.

Need fans also on the sides of the cards LUL

Needs heavy cooling it seems.

Rahmat SofyanIt's looklike all custom 4090 will be huge and hot..

Great for winter

Power is cheap in Indonesia, still?

Being effectively a 4 slot wasn't THICC enough so they added a fan shroud to the back.

PerfectWaveNeed fans also on the sides of the cards LUL

Fans everywhere! As long as the die is cool, the GPU can run, screw the rest of the box right

O my.

ZoneDymoidk I feel the rest of the world's design is more going back to the 80s

History always repeats, keep the people dumb as possible so less realize haha.