las34" Ultrawide 3440x1440 beats 32" 4K/UHD any day in both immersion and work if you ask me. 16:9 is mediocre for actual work. I use a 32 inch 4K IPS Black panel at work and I can easily go home and use 1440p. I prefer the higher refresh rate over more pixels, even for work. Luckily I am going 38" Ultrawide at work soon, 3840x1600.

32 inch 16:9 is too tall really, going wider using Ultrawide 34/38 inch is more helpful. Both for work and immersion in games. Can't wait for 2nd gen OLED panels so I can leave LCD behind.

First of all you forgot to preclude what you are saying with my opinion. Now 3440x1440 is sharper than 3840x2160? My weak LCD monitor is just fine for me with High contrast, 144 hz, Freesync and HDR. The Pixel Density according to AIDA 64 is 138. That sounds good to me and the over 350 reviews on Newegg for the FV43U. You can like what you want it does not make the rest useless. We are not talking about 60HZ 200 nit IPS panels from 2018 anymore. My thing with OLED (why I never bought a Plasma TV) is burn in and the low brightness.

phanbueyGood for you! Now go use your LCD monitors since you're not gonna buy any of the 1440P first gen OLEDs.

Same. Have fun using your monitor with low contrast and terrible local dimming. Rtings own words :roll: LCD is dying for a reason. Dated tech with tons of flaws and mediocre image quality. Pixel density don't matter when visuals are still crap.

Can't stop laughing about you thinking a 4K LCD panel with no local dimming + not HDR capable is considered "good" in 2023 :laugh: Literally no LCD panel is considered high-end. Cheap, sure, and thats about it.

kapone32First of all you forgot to preclude what you are saying with my opinion. Now 3440x1440 is sharper than 3840x2160? My weak LCD monitor is just fine for me with High contrast, 144 hz, Freesync and HDR. The Pixel Density according to AIDA 64 is 138. That sounds good to me and the over 350 reviews on Newegg for the FV43U. You can like what you want it does not make the rest useless. We are not talking about 60HZ 200 nit IPS panels from 2018 anymore. My thing with OLED (why I never bought a Plasma TV) is burn in and the low brightness.

I'd take 3440x1440 or 3840x1600 any day over 3840x2160 thats for sure, both for gaming and work. 4K/UHD alone brings nothing new, just more pixels and it does not really matter. Especially when contrast is crap and HDR is non-existent. 99% of 4K/UHD monitor users even use tons of scaling.

IPS panels have been able to do 350-400 nits and 144+ Hz for like 10 years. Nothing about this is new and nothing changed about the image quality because LCD has been maxed out for years. IPS can do 360 Hz at 1440p these days. LCD still have inferior contrast and no local dimming in monitors meaning image quality is mediocre compared to OLED.

There's zero hope for LCD going forward. In a few years, OLED will own the high-end monitor market, just like it owns the high-end TV market and have done for years. Even Samsung abandoned LCD :laugh:

Sadly PC monitors are 5 years - if not more - behind TV market in terms of image quality and HDR. Things will change fast now, since both Samsung Display and LG Display focus on OLED PC panels. Days of garbage LCD panels will soon end. Can't wait.

lasI'd take 3440x1440 or 3840x1600 any day over 3840x2160 thats for sure, both for gaming and work. 4K/UHD alone brings nothing new, just more pixels and it does not really matter. Especially when contrast is crap and HDR is non-existent. 99% of 4K/UHD monitor users even use tons of scaling.

IPS panels have been able to do 350-400 nits and 144+ Hz for like 10 years. Nothing about this is new and nothing changed about the image quality because LCD has been maxed out for years. IPS can do 360 Hz at 1440p these days. LCD still have inferior contrast and no local dimming in monitors meaning image quality is mediocre compared to OLED.

There's zero hope for LCD going forward. In a few years, OLED will own the high-end monitor market, just like it owns the high-end TV market and have done for years. Even Samsung abandoned LCD :laugh:

Sadly PC monitors are 5 years - if not more - behind TV market in terms of image quality and HDR. Things will change fast now, since both Samsung Display and LG Display focus on OLED PC panels. Days of garbage LCD panels will soon end. Can't wait.

That is your opinion. I do not in anyway believe that a 3840x2160 is worse in picture quality than 3440x1440 or 3860x1600. I can see that you like Widescreen monitors but that does not make them objectively better.

Why are you assuming that I am talking about IPS and no 144 hz at 1440P is not 10 years old. They became common around 5 years ago and IPS cannot compare to OLED for Contrast but that is not everything that goes into a nice picture.

If you think that monitors are behind TVs you are looking at it wrong. Yes TVs seem to have features like HDMI 2.1 but show me a TV with Display Port technology or KVM support. There are currently 5K monitors that you can buy and I am surprised you don't mention those LG and Samsung 49" widescreens that seem to be the rage.

When i was buying my monitor I could have got the OLED variant but I went with the VA panel and get serious blacks, excellent contrast and the panel produces some of the most beautiful colours I have ever seen but I think LCD will always have a place and yes a 60HZ panel from 2016 will look like crap compared to what we have today but those screens were $149 then. I cannot see an OLED for that anytime soon.

@las

What are you fighting for here? That an OLED monitor three times the price is better? Well no shit.

Not everyone can afford to spend over a $1000 on a display. Not everyone wants to. A low-end product can be good if priced appropriately, even if it's a trash LCD monitor.

Most people actually use displays in well-lit rooms, where the difference between LCD and OLED is less pronounced. And high refresh is not just for gaming. The desktop experience is much better at 120+ Hz. And IPS is not smeary, VA is. IPS just has terrible blacks, which is only an issue in dark rooms.

I don't think I'd ever go back to LCD for my main display, but that doesn't mean that there's no use for that technology. It'll be the most popular display technology for a very long time.

By the way, using the rofl emote in every single post is a bit childish.

kapone32That is your opinion. I do not in anyway believe that a 3840x2160 is worse in picture quality than 3440x1440 or 3860x1600. I can see that you like Widescreen monitors but that does not make them objectively better.

Why are you assuming that I am talking about IPS and no 144 hz at 1440P is not 10 years old. They became common around 5 years ago and IPS cannot compare to OLED for Contrast but that is not everything that goes into a nice picture.

If you think that monitors are behind TVs you are looking at it wrong. Yes TVs seem to have features like HDMI 2.1 but show me a TV with Display Port technology or KVM support. There are currently 5K monitors that you can buy and I am surprised you don't mention those LG and Samsung 49" widescreens that seem to be the rage.

When i was buying my monitor I could have got the OLED variant but I went with the VA panel and get serious blacks, excellent contrast and the panel produces some of the most beautiful colours I have ever seen but I think LCD will always have a place and yes a 60HZ panel from 2016 will look like crap compared to what we have today but those screens were $149 then. I cannot see an OLED for that anytime soon.

You know higher resolution don't equal to better picture quality right? You can run 8K on a LCD panel and it will still have all the weaknesses of LCD. Nothing about LCD is considered high-end really.

I had Asus PG279Q which is 1440p at 165 Hz back in early 2015, thats soon 9 years ago ;) LCD has not improved in years because contrast is terrible and they can't use proper local dimming on PC monitors because of input latency. LCD without proper backlight control is literally mediocre in terms of image quality. No decent LCD TV's lacks FALD these days, because LCD is terrible without proper zone control.

Once again, resolution is not what I am talking about. It is image quality and HDR. No LCD PC monitor even comes close to high-end TVs (LCD and especially not OLED) here.

There's 8K TVs as well, who cares, they don't sell well. Why? Because resolution and pixels alone don't matter. 4K/UHD is more than enough for a high-end TV. The improvements on TVs comes from HIGH CONTRAST, HIGH NITS (PEAK NITS FOR HDR) and HDR in general.

No PC monitor can do HDR properly. They are garbage for HDR really. 400 nits peak is useless for HDR.

VA panel has better contrast but it is a very slow panel. Sucks for fast paced gaming because pixel response time is really slow. This is nothing new. Simply goolge VA smearing or read up on it. No serious gamers (pro or not) uses VA panels for this reason. It is like playing with motion blur enabled.

Don't compare LCD to OLED please. LCD will never come close to self emitting pixels. NOT EVER. OLED has instant pixel response meaning ZERO SMEARING and INSTANTLY changes pixels = Godly responsive while delivering INSANE CONTRAST and now OLED PC monitors easily hits 1000 nits peak, will only improve.

Mark my words. LCD is dying for PC monitors (talking high-end) just like it did for TV market. LCD simply has too many flaws and limitations.

THU31@las

What are you fighting for here? That an OLED monitor three times the price is better? Well no shit.

Not everyone can afford to spend over a $1000 on a display. Not everyone wants to. A low-end product can be good if priced appropriately, even if it's a trash LCD monitor.

Most people actually use displays in well-lit rooms, where the difference between LCD and OLED is less pronounced. And high refresh is not just for gaming. The desktop experience is much better at 120+ Hz. And IPS is not smeary, VA is. IPS just has terrible blacks, which is only an issue in dark rooms.

I don't think I'd ever go back to LCD for my main display, but that doesn't mean that there's no use for that technology. It'll be the most popular display technology for a very long time.

By the way, using the rofl emote in every single post is a bit childish.

Every LCD panel has smearing. VA just has tons of it.

IPS generelly is garbage for dark rooms, which is why high-end TVs use VA which do better blacks and don't need high responsiveness. Viewing angles are a problem tho, even with wide viewing angle filter its not great and introduces new problems like rainbow effects.


Feel free to keep battling me, I know everything about monitors and TVs and claiming LCD is good for "everything" is just pure comedy :roll:

lasYou know higher resolution don't equal to better picture quality right? You can run 8K on a LCD panel and it will still have all the weaknesses of LCD. Nothing about LCD is considered high-end really.

I had Asus PG279Q which is 1440p at 165 Hz back in early 2015, thats soon 9 years ago ;) LCD has not improved in years because contrast is terrible and they can't use proper local dimming on PC monitors because of input latency. LCD without proper backlight control is literally mediocre in terms of image quality. No decent LCD TV's lacks FALD these days, because LCD is terrible without proper zone control.

Once again, resolution is not what I am talking about. It is image quality and HDR. No LCD PC monitor even comes close to high-end TVs (LCD and especially not OLED) here.

There's 8K TVs as well, who cares, they don't sell well. Why? Because resolution and pixels alone don't matter. 4K/UHD is more than enough for a high-end TV. The improvements on TVs comes from HIGH CONTRAST, HIGH NITS (PEAK NITS FOR HDR) and HDR in general.

No PC monitor can do HDR properly. They are garbage for HDR really. 400 nits peak is useless for HDR.

VA panel has better contrast but it is a very slow panel. Sucks for fast paced gaming because pixel response time is really slow. This is nothing new. Simply goolge VA smearing or read up on it. No serious gamers (pro or not) uses VA panels for this reason. It is like playing with motion blur enabled.

Don't compare LCD to OLED please. LCD will never come close to self emitting pixels. NOT EVER. OLED has instant pixel response meaning ZERO SMEARING and INSTANTLY changes pixels = Godly responsive while delivering INSANE CONTRAST and now OLED PC monitors easily hits 1000 nits peak, will only improve.

Mark my words. LCD is dying for PC monitors (talking high-end) just like it did for TV market. LCD simply has too many flaws and limitations.


Every LCD panel has smearing. VA just has tons of it.

IPS generelly is garbage for dark rooms, which is why high-end TVs use VA which do better blacks and don't need high responsiveness. Viewing angles are a problem tho, even with wide viewing angle filter its not great and introduces new problems like rainbow effects.


Feel free to keep battling me, I know EVERYTHING about monitors and TVs. It is what I do for a living.

This is my monitor and it is not slow and I do not see smearing. You should read the reviews for some context but you are entitled to your opinion.

www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16824716002

kapone32This is my monitor and it is not slow and I do not see smearing. You should read the reviews for some context but you are entitled to your opinion.

www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16824716002

Yeah it's very slow compared to fast IPS monitors and OLED especially. Hence the low price. VA is cheap.

Pixel response is what matters.


Horrible really.

Besides, your monitor has terrible local dimming according to rtings as well. Like I said every PC LCD monitor suffers from.
43 inch LCD without proper local dimming, thats just sad.

With actual proper backlighting and FALD present in a monitor, input lag would be insane and LCD requires backlighting, OLED don't. Viewing angles are garbage as well, like every VA panel.

Do you seriously believe your VA monitor is high-end? :laugh:

No PC monitor with a VA panel is high-end. VA is the new TN really, because VA is cheap.

VA monitors can have low input lag - yep - but pixel response is mediocre. Leading to smearing. IPS is far superior in this regard. OLED is best and then comes TN. VA is the WORST OF ALL when it comes to speed.

No serious gamers that play fast paced games even considering going VA for this exact reason.


The industry moves away from LCD in general for a reason. LCD has been maxed out years ago. HDR is the new black and LCD can't do it properly. High-end Phones and TVs went OLED many years ago. Only low end phones have LCD panels.

"High-end" and "LCD" don't belong in the same sentence. But sure, keep believing otherwise and denying facts.

You need to wake up and understand LCD is dying, even for monitors. The next years are going to be amazing in terms of image quality for PC monitors. No more lipstick on the LCD pig. Finally we will get 1000 nits peak, infinite contrast and proper HDR without having to rely on crappy LCD backlighting.

lasYeah it's very slow compared to fast IPS monitors and OLED especially. Hence the low price. VA is cheap.

Pixel response is what matters.

Horrible really.

Besides, your monitor has terrible local dimming according to rtings as well. Like I said every PC LCD monitor suffers from.
43 inch LCD without proper local dimming, thats just sad.

With actual proper backlighting and FALD present in a monitor, input lag would be insane and LCD requires backlighting, OLED don't. Viewing angles are garbage as well, like every VA panel.

Do you seriously believe your VA monitor is high-end? :laugh:

No PC monitor with a VA panel is high-end. VA is the new TN really, because VA is cheap.

VA monitors can have low input lag - yep - but pixel response is mediocre. Leading to smearing. IPS is far superior in this regard. OLED is best and then comes TN. VA is the WORST OF ALL when it comes to speed.

No serious gamers that play fast paced games even considering going VA for this exact reason.


The industry moves away from LCD in general for a reason. LCD has been maxed out years ago. HDR is the new black and LCD can't do it properly. High-end Phones and TVs went OLED many years ago. Only low end phones have LCD panels.

"High-end" and "LCD" don't belong in the same sentence. But sure, keep believing otherwise and denying facts.

You need to wake up and understand LCD is dying, even for monitors. The next years are going to be amazing in terms of image quality for PC monitors. No more lipstick on the LCD pig. Finally we will get 1000 nits peak, infinite contrast and proper HDR without having to rely on crappy LCD backlighting.

I see you are one of them. A regurgitator. I could care less what Hardware Unboxed said. I once watched a Hardware Unboxed video on the R5 2400G and they said they got the GPU clock to 2500 MHZ. When I tried that it killed my chip so I take everything they say with a grain of salt. Now I can also show other opinions as well. Believe what you will it does not change the truth.

kapone32I see you are one of them. A regurgitator. I could care less what Hardware Unboxed said. I once watched a Hardware Unboxed video on the R5 2400G and they said they got the GPU clock to 2500 MHZ. When I tried that it killed my chip so I take everything they say with a grain of salt. Now I can also show other opinions as well. Believe what you will it does not change the truth.

Why do you keep trying? No LCD panel is impressive, it is pointless to even try. Anyone with proper OLED experience knows just how terrible LCD is.

lasWhy do you keep trying? No LCD panel is impressive, it is pointless to even try.

So why don't you have one then? Where's your 1440P OLED? It's probably not good enough to buy lol.

lasAnyone with proper OLED experience knows just how terrible LCD is.

They also know how bad the OLED desktop experience is.... o_O

lasSame. Have fun using your monitor with low contrast and terrible local dimming. Rtings own words :roll: LCD is dying for a reason. Dated tech with tons of flaws and mediocre image quality. Pixel density don't matter when visuals are still crap.

Can't stop laughing about you thinking a 4K LCD panel with no local dimming + not HDR capable is considered "good" in 2023 :laugh: Literally no LCD panel is considered high-end. Cheap, sure, and thats about it.

Actually the word used wasn't 'good' - it was "best monitor" :laugh:
The 8 Best Monitors - Summer 2023: Reviews - RTINGS.com

^ there's the link in case you want to look at it again.

phanbueySo why don't you have one then? Where's your 1440P OLED? It's probably not good enough to buy lol.


They also know how bad the OLED desktop experience is.... o_O



Actually the word used wasn't 'good' - it was "best monitor" :laugh:
The 8 Best Monitors - Summer 2023: Reviews - RTINGS.com

^ there's the link in case you want to look at it again.

Best cheap all-round monitor that excels at nothing and can't do HDR, tops out at 144-150 Hz, mediocre local dimming and contrast, sure what a great monitor :laugh: :laugh:

According to Rtings: Terrible black uniformity with significant backlight bleed and clouding, yeah sounds like it is really awesome. Hahaaha. Please stop making me laugh :roll:

Just stop justifying your purchase. Nothing about LCD is considered high-end in 2023. Dated and dying tech.

lasBest cheap all-round monitor that excels at nothing and can't do HDR, tops out at 144-150 Hz, mediocre local dimming and contrast, sure what a great monitor :laugh: :laugh:

According to Rtings: Terrible black uniformity with significant backlight bleed and clouding, yeah sounds like it is really awesome. Hahaaha. Please stop making me laugh :roll:

Just stop justifying your purchase. Nothing about LCD is considered high-end in 2023. Dated and dying tech.

And yet still the best! Proving that nothing you said really mattered! All of the blah blah HDR, and brightness, and dim, and smeary - after extensive testing, rtings has concluded it's all none-sense, best monitor all-round is a cheap IPS.

So I'm just going to end it here with this, it would probably have better contrast on your imaginary OLED monitor, but be a little blurry due to all the text (use your imagination to make it blurrier):

Meanwhile, you might have to hook it up to your TV for now to truly be able to see it in OLED (but don't leave it up too long or it will burn in.)

phanbueyAnd yet still the best! Proving that nothing you said really mattered! All of the blah blah HDR, and brightness, and dim, and smeary - after extensive testing, rtings has concluded it's all none-sense, best monitor all-round is a cheap IPS.

So I'm just going to end it here with this, it would probably have better contrast on your imaginary OLED monitor, but be a little blurry due to all the text (use your imagination to make it blurrier):

Meanwhile, you might have to hook it up to your TV for now to truly be able to see it in OLED (but don't leave it up too long or it will burn in.)

Burn-in, hahah. I have had like 10 OLED phones and 5 OLED TVs and seen no burn-in yet, also this is 2023 not 2015. You sound like those LCD peasants with zero OLED experience, which is probably the case.

Time to wake up, LCD is mediocre, but cheap. Which is why no high-end TVs or Phones uses LCD today. They all went OLED long ago. LCD is a dated tech that can't be improved further. LCD can't do HDR well and image quality sucks due to terrible contrast and tons of other issues. This is especially true for PC monitors with no FALD / local dimming. Good LCD TVs ALWAYS have proper local dimming because it is crucial for LCD to deliver decent image quality, high contrast and HDR.

Yeah best all round cheap panel, yet excels at nothing, and beaten with ease in gaming and media consumption :laugh: Meanwhile you claim it is the best monitor for everything including games and video hahaha :roll:

HDR irellevant? Proper HDR is literally the most important thing you can have today. Ask anyone with actual tv/monitor experience ;) Beats more pixels any day of the week. Only HDR brings out the best of games and movies. 4K SDR is mediocre in comparison.

My TV is always hooked up to my PC. It's in my office/chill room :toast:

Yeah, I'm out as well. Waste of time, because only a clueless person thinks LCD is actually great in 2023. Good for work and browsing? Sure. It's fine enough but it absolutely sucks for gaming and media which is what I mainly do on my gaming PC. I have a work PC with a 32" UHD display attached, soon going to Ultrawide tho. Ultrawide is way better for work and general productivity than a single 16:9 monitor. Also much better for immersion in games. 38-40 inch wich 3840x1600 or even 5120x1440 is godly compared to a silly 32 inch 3840x2160 that needs scaling to work well. I'd even take a 34" Ultrawide with 3440x1440 any day over a 32 inch UHD monitor.

Maybe I am not out, because this is too funny.
I am amazed that some people actually think LCD is considered high-end in 2023 for gaming and media :laugh: