Tuesday, August 13th 2024
Mindfactory Only Sold a Few Dozen AMD Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X
German PC components online retailer Mindfactory is no Amazon, but is meticulously transparent with its sales data to the public, which allows us to gauge consumer interest in products, at least in the European context. AMD last week launched its Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X Socket AM5 desktop processors powered by the latest "Zen 5" microarchitecture, which were met with mixed reviews, with the tech press remarking on very little IPC gain over the previous "Zen 4" generation, which is salvaged somewhat with their better energy efficiency. It's been 5 days since market availability for these two chips, and they aren't exactly flying off the shelves over at Mindfactory.
Remember what we said about Mindfactory being transparent with its sales numbers? The retailer even puts out a counter of how many units of a product it sold, and how many page views a product's store page got. As of this writing (13/8, 15:00 UTC), Mindfactory sold just between 20-30 Ryzen 5 9600X processors, with just under 600 page views for the product. The Ryzen 7 9700X is very slightly better, but not by much—just 30-40 pieces sold, and under 1,200 page views. To give you some context, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, which has been out since April 2023, sold close to 68,000 units on this store. HardwareTimes reports that the 9700X is #39 most popular processor on Amazon in August 2024, and #45 on Newegg. We guess what's happening here is a combination of consumers waiting to see how the 9900X and 9700X perform, what the 9000X3D series and Intel's next-generation bring to the table, and favoring previous-gen incumbents such as the 7800X3D, i9-14900K, etc., which have had price cuts over the past several months.
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Mindfactory listing for 9600X, Mindfactory listing for 9700X, HardwareTimes
Remember what we said about Mindfactory being transparent with its sales numbers? The retailer even puts out a counter of how many units of a product it sold, and how many page views a product's store page got. As of this writing (13/8, 15:00 UTC), Mindfactory sold just between 20-30 Ryzen 5 9600X processors, with just under 600 page views for the product. The Ryzen 7 9700X is very slightly better, but not by much—just 30-40 pieces sold, and under 1,200 page views. To give you some context, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, which has been out since April 2023, sold close to 68,000 units on this store. HardwareTimes reports that the 9700X is #39 most popular processor on Amazon in August 2024, and #45 on Newegg. We guess what's happening here is a combination of consumers waiting to see how the 9900X and 9700X perform, what the 9000X3D series and Intel's next-generation bring to the table, and favoring previous-gen incumbents such as the 7800X3D, i9-14900K, etc., which have had price cuts over the past several months.
62 Comments on Mindfactory Only Sold a Few Dozen AMD Ryzen 7 9700X and Ryzen 5 9600X
Read the article again. Slowly. Maybe then it will dawn on you what they meant. They only mentioned that the same test suite was used as during a previous test of the 5800X3D. But the 2% comparison absolutely deals with 7800X3D vs. 9700X.
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No reviewer tested these games. They have large performance delta’s, with or without them it skews the performance average in or out of favor. AMD didn’t lie, you and other’s simply fell for marketing.
Read more slowly next time.
It is actually a moot point whether they said (first statement) that 9700X vs. 7800X3D is a really close affair or if the 7800X3D is 2% faster than the 9700X (which is still a close call, almost within margin of error).
None of the above is even remotely true. The vast majority of websites out there (except TPU) have concluded that 9700X is ~15% to 20% slower on average in gaming.
AMD LIED. Plain and simple.
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/cpu-sales-last-90-days-data-from-one-shop-in-poland-morele.325532/
Bruh, you just didn't read the fine print!!
I'm totally with everyone on the "false advertising" uproar. The trust erosion or consumer exploitation never washes well with anyone. These manufacturers should be held to account with a more effective backlash as it seems consumer scrutiny or brand reputation in the negative doesn't seem to stop these guys from BS'ing like theres no tomorrow.
TPU, by their own admission, initially screwed up the 7950X3D testing. The reviewer forgot to make sure that the Xbox GameBar was running which is mandatory for correct scheduling on multi CCD AMD X3D CPUs (i.e. 7900X and 7950X3D so far and very likely 9900X3D and 9950X3D as well).
The TPU review was updated after its first date of publishing with the new results. The original conclusion stated that 9700X even beats the 7950X3D in gaming.
Whatever... when one website is the outlier then it makes you wonder about their methodology. I can do that without accusing of them lying. I guess I/we have to assume that their test selection accidentally really favors Zen 5 because TPU are showing the most favorable results for Zen 5 among the mainstream tech sites.
Most reviewers have arrived at similar conclusions as e.g. ComputerBase. The 7800X3D leads the 9700X by 19% (RTX 4090) or 22% (RX 7900 XTX) on average, respectively.
AMD's claims of a close call between 9700X and 7800X3D, or even a 2% lead, were marketing lies. There is no weaseling out of this.
It was an exaggeration & yes totally unnecessary!
Reading comprehension, or so you keep parroting, seems to not be a strength. It’s marketing speak, Intel does it, Nvidia does it, AMD does it. Your lack of reading footnotes and comprehending/analyzing the data they give to you is on you. It’s amazing people keep falling for marketing graphs and hyping themselves up so that anything unreleased it automatically going to leave previous generation parts in the dust because their cherry picked benchmarks, which under their test setup/suite are true.
What is this “most reviewers” nonsense? TPU is the only review i’ve seen with average performance difference, let alone having tested more than 4 games. I’ve looked at kitguru, tpu, guru3d, techspot, toms, and TPU is the only to list an average; most seem to lean close to the ~10% lead the 7800X3D has on average, not 20%.
I think AMD did a poor job with marketing, but have released a good and boring product. Faster than its predecessor on the large average while using significantly less power. Lot’s of headroom for PBO/OC to squeeze out 10-15%+ more performance than the 7700X. Considering the massive frequency deficit in MT workloads its kind of a miracle the 9700X beats the 7700X in any productivity workloads.
And you're right, there are games that take advantage of cache, but there are also games that take advantage of faster cores or faster RAM, and there not x3D especially with some tuning are ahead.
The x3D has one huge advantage over any other processor (and therein lies its true success) they are plug and play :)
Here's an example that people don't know, and (well) usually (to) don't care, for understandable reasons.
Personally, I wouldn't touch either with a 100' pole.
Personally can I say launching a 6 core cpu in mid 2024 with a near $300 price tag is an insult. 6 core should now only be entry level trash tier pricing. $200 would be a hard sell for me unless it was X3D variant.
I'm guessing the Arrow Lake replacement for the 14400 will wipe the floor with the 9600X across games and productivity, let alone what the 14500/14600 replacements do.
Scan, overclockers, amazon all in stock, btw in scan 9600x now only 269.99
I hate intel due to their illegal actions and Ngreedia for their many anti consumer actions but i dont go to the reviews of those products just to troll and waste everyone time who are interested in information about this.
Personally, i will wait for the release of the new chipsets and maybe for the X3D parts but as stated by reviews, those CPUs are not as performant in other applications, only on gaming.
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