Sunday, January 26th 2025

The Empire Strikes Back: China Prepares One Trillion Yuan AI Plan to Rival $500 Billion US Stargate Project

A few days ago, we reported on the US reading a massive 500 billion US Dollar package called "Stargate Project" to build AI infrastructure on American soil. However, China is also planning to stay close behind, or even overlap the US in some areas, with a one trillion Yuan "AI Industry Development Action Plan". Translating into around 138 billion US Dollars at the time of writing, the Chinese AI plan is similar to the US Stargate project: develop AI infrastructure through data center expansion and AI accelerator scale-up. Unlike the Stargate project, led by private initiatives and OpenAI at the helm, the Chinese AI Industry Development Action Plan is an entirely state-sponsored initiative that will fund firms like Baidu, ByteDance, Alibaba, and DeepSeek with additional AI accelerators (or sanction-abiding GPUs) to create more advanced AI systems.

Over the past few days, DeepSeek, a branch of a Chinese hedge fund, has not only open-sourced its R1 reasoning model but made it entirely free to use for everyone. This has challenged moat of Western competitors like OpenAI, pushing its CEO Sam Altman to offer an O3-mini reasoning model for up to 100 queries per day for the ChatGPT Plus user tier. Not only did DeepSeek provide a model equally intelligent to OpenAI's best, but it also offered it completely free. This has stirred up the tech community quite a bit and showed that Chinese companies are not much behind Western competitors. With this AI action plan, the Chinese government wants to push its domestic AI makers even further ahead and allow them to overtake cutting-edge model development potentially. Of course, getting GPUs for these projects remains an intricate task, but with export control loopholes and domestic AI accelerator development, the AI arms race is picking up quite a bit.
Source: Ray Wang on X
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66 Comments on The Empire Strikes Back: China Prepares One Trillion Yuan AI Plan to Rival $500 Billion US Stargate Project

#27
bobsled
Bomby569China just built a better and cheaper (by insane amounts cheaper) LLM model, they already leading, the US is done.
*Sponsored by the CCP.

Meanwhile… Nvidia over here selling shovels. Why put any effort into raster when you can hit an enormous fad market, then feed the leftovers to another market?
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#28
Bomby569
bobsled*Sponsored by the CCP.

Meanwhile… Nvidia over here selling shovels. Why put any effort into raster when you can hit an enormous fad market, then feed the leftovers to another market?
Nvidia is clearly the big winner in all this. Anyone can do everything but no one can do nothing without Nvidia
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#29
PrEzi
I'll just put it in here as everyone is hyping DeepSeek it seems now. Remember -- EVERYTHING from CCP needs to be taken not only with a grain of salt, but a bag.

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#30
kondamin
Bomby569i think their biggest advantage is the way they can shift all resources to whatever they want, all it takes is the CCP to say so
They really can't, it's not some RTS game where you can have a civilian unit move from farming to building
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#31
Redwoodz
Bomby569Nvidia is clearly the big winner in all this. Anyone can do everything but no one can do nothing without Nvidia
It's time to stop them selling leading edge tech to our rival's who blatently sabotage our efforts at every turn.
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#32
katzi
RedwoodzIt's time to stop them selling leading edge tech to our rival's who blatently sabotage our efforts at every turn.
I love it that China is making the US look as foolish as it is.

Every stupid step the US takes against China, they have an answer for and the Chinese thumb their noses.

The best part is, they open source/IP share pretty much Everything - so their entire Industry sector advances at light speed, and the US spends vast sums on lawyers and propaganda bogging themselves down to individually profit off whatever slight advantage (with the exception being NVIDIA) while they think they can.

Americans panicking over China overtaking them in soooo many ways is delicious to watch, because godknows it's time yall learned some perspective and humility.
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#33
HisDivineOrder
Imagine marching so hard into something that will create widespread poverty and class-based systems returning, power shortages, and in the end all of it will be for next to no improvement in society. It's silly watching billionaires prove how unintelligent they are. I suppose it will choke off any new billionaires being made, though, so I guess that's a win for the ones who want to remain in power for future decades.

And at the end? Next to no one will be able to afford their products because they'll have crushed almost all employment with systems that should in their best case scenario reduce workload requirements and create a society without the need for work-for-money scenarios. Instead, it's all leading to large numbers of people without jobs, all replaced by AI and robotics, to create products no one will buy because they can't afford them.

And what will the news report? How lazy these people who can't find jobs are. Then various sources will find ever larger marginalized groups to blame for the job shortages rather than realize it was the AI we were ill prepared to welcome all along. That's assuming AI actually delivered even a tenth of what its proponents promise. If it doesn't deliver, it's so much wasted money and power and infrastructure that could have been focused on improving actual citizen's lives instead.
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#35
sepheronx
You can throw as much money as you want.

In the end, will it amount to anything? No.

As with like majority of these, the end result will be: project results not what was outlined, timeliness extended to indefinitely, cost overruns, people pocketing, etc.

Always the case. Companies will just stake claim to get a bit part of that pie and not deliver.
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#36
mechtech
Between all that AI horsepower, I'm sure they will cure most bad diseases in no time.....................
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#37
TheEndIsNear
What I want to know is how are those human rights things going. That's all that's worth caring about but the whole world loves their money more than people.
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#39
DirtyDingusMcgee
katziI love it that China is making the US look as foolish as it is.

Every stupid step the US takes against China, they have an answer for and the Chinese thumb their noses.

The best part is, they open source/IP share pretty much Everything - so their entire Industry sector advances at light speed, and the US spends vast sums on lawyers and propaganda bogging themselves down to individually profit off whatever slight advantage (with the exception being NVIDIA) while they think they can.

Americans panicking over China overtaking them in soooo many ways is delicious to watch, because godknows it's time yall learned some perspective and humility.
There are extra steps when you don't treat your people as expendable.

If you do not like the US, than that is your right. You'll not receive such grace from China.
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#40
Redwoodz
katziI love it that China is making the US look as foolish as it is.

Every stupid step the US takes against China, they have an answer for and the Chinese thumb their noses.

The best part is, they open source/IP share pretty much Everything - so their entire Industry sector advances at light speed, and the US spends vast sums on lawyers and propaganda bogging themselves down to individually profit off whatever slight advantage (with the exception being NVIDIA) while they think they can.

Americans panicking over China overtaking them in soooo many ways is delicious to watch, because godknows it's time yall learned some perspective and humility.
Open source? It's not really open source when you control every aspect of your citizens lives and you own everything. You just sound like an envious hater. The US is in the position we are in because we have earned it. No, we are not perfect, but you and every other member of the human race better hope we prevail.
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#41
ty_ger
RedwoodzIt's not really open source when you control every aspect of your citizens lives and you own everything.
That sounds like a US corporation. Was that your intent?
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#42
Why_Me
katziI love it that China is making the US look as foolish as it is.
Every stupid step the US takes against China, they have an answer for and the Chinese thumb their noses.
The best part is, they open source/IP share pretty much Everything - so their entire Industry sector advances at light speed, and the US spends vast sums on lawyers and propaganda bogging themselves down to individually profit off whatever slight advantage (with the exception being NVIDIA) while they think they can.
Americans panicking over China overtaking them in soooo many ways is delicious to watch, because godknows it's time yall learned some perspective and humility.
It was that one. My grandpa spent months in a Japanese pow camp so your country didn't end up speaking Japanese.
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#44
mkppo
I think the way everyone is going with regard to power consumption, thanks to AI, needs a clamp. GPU clusters are crazy dense, and it has made it easier to create clusters that consume far more power than ever before especially in the last few years. It's okay to do it today, but that power growth cannot be sustainable in the long run and looking at the power predictions doesn't put ones mind to ease when thinking about the future generation. Like what will the world be like in 30, 40 years? Greed will only get you far today, but there will always be repercussions at some point and the climate has been...strange to say the least. We should all be striving to, you know, shrink the world process node and bring everything down a notch and generate less heat everywhere, including but not limited to AI.

The other thing is, I always wanted to own one of the Mate phones when they were competing at the top end but Huawei were obviously sanctioned later and that never happened. The other day I was looking at their financials after ages and they still seem to be doing pretty good. I thought they'd have a tougher time with no android access but I guess they've sort of succeeded in doing that in their home market at least. The new camera setup seems interesting too but no point in owning one here without android I suppose.

But yeah, complex times. I hope they all come to decisions that benefit everyone as a whole. Even 1/10 would be a good start.
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#45
Jtuck9
TumbleGeorgeThis is just propaganda from bulgarian troll who works for old USA administration. ;)
There are points to be made for positive aspects of a monopoly, it just depends on where the power is concentrated.

www.inc.com/kit-eaton/trump-ai-order-raises-questions-about-its-goals-and-safety-focus/91131951

mattdpearce.substack.com/p/journalisms-fight-for-survival-in

A nation of uncritical drifters can change only the form of tyranny, for like Christian's sword, democracy is a weapon in the hands of those who have the courage and the skill to wield it; in all others it is a rusty piece of junk.
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#46
TumbleGeorge
mkppoLike what will the world be like in 30, 40 years?
One giant supercomputer around earth surface and we will live in it's interior. If has people after it's building is done.
Jtuck9There are points to be made for positive aspects of a monopoly, it just depends on where the power is concentrated.
Not sure what is better power in government or in billionaires companies. But this is not for discussion here.
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#47
Jtuck9
TumbleGeorgeNot sure what is better power in government or in billionaires companies. But this is not for discussion here.
I'm sure we could trace a line to their respective outputs that are being compared in this thread.

www.bloodinthemachine.com/p/the-tech-oligarchy-has-been-here

Putin's Tucker Carlson interview springs to mind...And Sam Altman quoting Napoleon, come to think of it...
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#48
Dirt Chip
Whoever come up with the biggest gazillion number for investment will be the winner.
So pathetic..
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#49
kondamin
TumbleGeorgeOne giant supercomputer around earth surface and we will live in it's interior. If has people after it's building is done..
building that thing on the moon would be better,
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#50
csendesmark
Dirt ChipWhoever come up with the biggest gazillion number for investment will be the winner.
So pathetic..
It is a bubble as it is right now
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