newtekie1+1!!!

lemonadesodaThe renumbering of GPUs is causing market confusion. (Perhaps a few TPU experts canbe excepted from the generalisation). Imagine if every year there was a different car model number. The amount of advertising, reposition of brand and model, and confusion in the marketplace as to which model to buy etc.

I think the same thing is true in the GPU market. There used to be some "stability" were the number increases of the cards were in 50s or 100s. Now we have a 1000 change from one Q to the next.

Too much I say. I'm not confused. But I DO HAVE TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME researching ans staying on top of this product confusion.

Or are the GPU manufacturers doing this DELIBERATELY to get FREE advertising on the various websites and magazines? If they went from 3870 to 3875, perhaps they wouldnt get so much free advertising as when they go from 3870 to 4870 and the "rumours", and the "no tech spec yet", and "tech spec tomorrow", etc. fills the web with all sorts of "brand awareness" copy+paste.

IMO this just goes to show that PR and ad agencies get paid on the WRONG METRIC. They get "paid" for how often information is linked to between websites, and how far up the search engines the information appears.

This only ENCOURAGES smoke and mirrors and tech-site discussion to create page-count to hit the search engines.

AAAARRRGGGHHHH cynic.

Benchmark HD 4870 on beta drivers vs. HD 3870, HD 3870 Crossfire on Cat 8.4 and 8800GT here: HD.3870.3Dmark06=12,590 vs. HD.4870.3Dmark06benchmark.leak.html=21,223 :D. It's definitely MUCH faster than you were expecting :roll:

ROFL WARNING

WeerI'm sorry, wasn't I thinking about buying an X1950 just one year ago?
How many more numbers are they going to have to increase before people realize that they are repackaging the same old crap?

lemonadesodaThe renumbering of GPUs is causing market confusion. (Perhaps a few TPU experts canbe excepted from the generalisation). Imagine if every year there was a different car model number. The amount of advertising, reposition of brand and model, and confusion in the marketplace as to which model to buy etc.

I think the same thing is true in the GPU market. There used to be some "stability" were the number increases of the cards were in 50s or 100s. Now we have a 1000 change from one Q to the next.

Too much I say. I'm not confused. But I DO HAVE TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME researching ans staying on top of this product confusion.

Or are the GPU manufacturers doing this DELIBERATELY to get FREE advertising on the various websites and magazines? If they went from 3870 to 3875, perhaps they wouldnt get so much free advertising as when they go from 3870 to 4870 and the "rumours", and the "no tech spec yet", and "tech spec tomorrow", etc. fills the web with all sorts of "brand awareness" copy+paste.

IMO this just goes to show that PR and ad agencies get paid on the WRONG METRIC. They get "paid" for how often information is linked to between websites, and how far up the search engines the information appears.

This only ENCOURAGES smoke and mirrors and tech-site discussion to create page-count to hit the search engines.

AAAARRRGGGHHHH cynic.

Benchmark HD 4870 on beta drivers vs. HD 3870, HD 3870 Crossfire on Cat 8.4 and 8800GT here: HD.3870.3Dmark06=12,590 vs. HD.4870.3Dmark06benchmark.leak.html=21,223 :D. It's definitely MUCH faster than you were expecting :roll:

ROFL WARNING

Musselsthat 4870 score isnt that high - people are doing that in the 06 thread here in TPU. At a guess, that score is for the x2 version.

substance90Nice specs and price ranges, but ATi really should hire some folk that actually CAN program drivers... when this happens, their lower prices will beat the hell out of nVidia or at least create some real competition.

wiakyou should check you FACt before you say ATi sucks on drivers, last time i checked NVIDIA crashed vista many more times

newtekie1It is impossible because the claim was never made. However, the 1GHz claim actually WAS made. It is just more marketing BS put out by the graphics cards companies to trap the fanboys.

das müffin manna 3870 is not the same as a 1950 will its still a good card they are different
nvidia kinda did that with the 9800 series but then again didnt ati kinda do that between teh 2900-3xxx series?

newtekie1NVidia also has a much larger market share, which explains why it causes more Vista crashes.(I believe I actually stated in that news post that some fanboys would try to use those figures to try and say nVidia's driver suck*). The fact is, that if you have more users, you will have more crashes. That doesn't mean anything in terms of drivers. We would need the percentages of people that had problems before we can make that statement.

Just saying "nVidia caused more Vista crashes then ATi, so ATi must have better drivers" is false.

Edit: *-Yep I did:forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=56282

eidairaman1Sorry the 1950 Line Could not Overclock that well, 3870 and 3850 overclock very well and can be modified.

malwareThanks to TG Daily we can now talk about the very soon to be released ATI HD 4800 series of graphics cards with more details. One week ahead of its presumable release date, general specifications of the new cards have been revealed. All Radeon 4800 graphics will use the 55nm TSMC produced RV770 GPU, that include over 800 million transistors, 480 stream processors or shader units (96+384), 32 texture units, 16 ROPs, a 256-bit memory controller (512-bit for the Radeon 4870 X2) and native GDDR3/4/5 support as reported before. At first, AMD’s graphics division will launch three new cards - Radeon HD 4850, 4870 and 4870 X2:

• ATI Radeon HD 4850 - 650MHz/850MHz/1140MHz core/shader/memory clock speeds, 20.8 GTexel/s (32 TMU x 0.65 GHz) fill-rate, available in 256MB/512MB of GDDR3 memory or 512MB of GDDR5 memory clocked at 1.73GHz
• ATI Radeon HD 4870 - 850MHz/1050MHz/1940MHz core/shader/memory clock speeds, 27.2 GTexel/s (32 TMU x 0.85 GHz) fill-rate, available in 1GB GDDR5 version only
• ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 - unknown core/shader clock speeds, available with 2048MB of GDDR5 memory clocked at 1730MHz

The 4850 256MB GDDR3 version will arrive as the successor of the 3850 256MB with a price in the sub-$200 range. The 4850 512MB GDDR3 should retail for $229, while the 4850 512MB GDDR5 will set you back about $249-269. The 1GB GDDR5 powered 4870 will retail between $329-349. The flagship Radeon HD 4870 X2 will ship later this year for $499.


Source: TG Daily